Salaam Alaikum!


Recently, I encountered a site by none other than the self-appointed Islamic "expert" Robert Spencer that directs it's attention at "Jihad" and those "Jihadi's." In a terse discussion on the Sharia and Law--I responded to a member who made the unsubstantiated claim that Muhammad (saw) 'invented' (his choice of wording) Allah. Another fellow member of the site felt the urge to respond to my repudiation. In such an attempt, he had to open some new bags of tricks by labeling me a Pakistani/Indian and a thirty-five-year-old Muslim--never mind that I claimed to be neither “Pakistani/Indian" nor thirty-five. Please notice how our "son of Moses" (his ID) drifted from the discussion. I guess this is indeed "conventional wisdom."


To view this dialogue please go here:


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002935.php


[My claim is that Allah (swt) is NOT an invention of Muhammad (saw). But I guess to some such is hard to believe even when the evidence smacks one square in the face]


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Ibn_Kumuna:


I believe such was a sign of moral bankruptcy and panic–which completely sickens me. One hopes that 'true' Muslims will come to the fore to repudiate such pernicious prattle.


Djinn'nSquirt made this statement:


Since Allah (created within the demented mind of Mohammed) apparently has no penchant for forgiveness, would they find themselves burning in Hell for eternity?


Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement.


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SonofMoses:


ibn_kumuna35 said: Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


What's so difficult to believe about this??


There are plenty of people who have mental illness who believe they are in communication with God. The koran, as its written, is completely jumbled with no coherency in it. In fact many things prove it wasn't written by God.


Want proof? Here it is....


The Koran says one day of allah's time is like 1,000 years of a man's time


Qur'an22 :47


"And they will bid thee hasten on the Doom," - they are growing impatient Judgement day was meant to be soon.


"and Allah faileth not His promise" - don't worry God will keep His word.


"but lo! a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon." - what seems a long time to you is very short to God.


Now lets look at this logically and scientifically, which is supposedly what the koran is full of, logic and science. According to the koran, allah is perfect and all powerful, and the koran is his word. We also we learn from the koran that a day in allah's life is like a thousand years of a man's life.


According to islamic history the koran was revealed to mohammed over a 23 year period. If we do the math, 1 day of allah's time = 365,000 days of man's time. If we then use this ratio of 1:365,000 to see how long the koran took in allahs time to dictate, this would be 23 years or 8,395 days of man, and when we convert it to allahs time we divide the 8,395 by 365,000. This would leave us with 0.023 of a day of allah's time. This gives us the time in minutes which is 33,12.


In other words, while it took mohammed 23 years of his life to receive the koran, it only took allah 33 minutes of his time to dicate it. Now here is the problem. This supposedly "all powerful perfect being" kept changing his mind repeatedly because the tradition of the koran is that sometimes allah cancels one verse in favor of a better one. How can it be possible that a perfect being repeatedly changes his mind over the period of just 33 minutes???


Either allah is far from perfect, or mohammed was delusional, or both. You decide......


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DCWatson:


Since when does strapping a bomb to one's worthless carcass and blowing up innocent babies make one a martyr? Only the constant irrational thought process of barbarians would keep this type of ideal.


Oh Muslims, America and her allies are on the move. Soon freedom will be embraced by you, or you'll be surrounded by it and shunned for being too ignorant to live normal lives.


Muslim crazies thought we'd tuck tail and run......We're running alright, straight on to the path of worldwide freedom, free of non-bathing, toothless, illiterate Islamist racists.


We're on the move.....


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Ibn_Kumuna:


To Son of Moses


All you've been able to achieve in the two latest posts was to place anecdotes upon anecdotes.


Let me reinvent the wheel for the sake of convenience: Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


Again, there "is" no evidence that Muhammad invented Allah. What you could have done was provide me with rock inscriptional evidence or pre-Islamic Christian inscriptional phraseology to counter-punch me. Providing me with Quranic verses does not deal with a stint of what I raised. You wasted a lot of electronic space evading my assertion to Djinn'nSquirt by stuffing the house with Quranic verses.


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Ibn_Kumuna:


DCWatson says, "Since when does strapping a bomb to one's worthless carcass and blowing up innocent babies make one a martyr? Only the constant irrational thought process of barbarians would keep this type of ideal."


To respond to your question, there is never a point when a martyr is tantamount with a suicide bomber no matter what side of the prism one glances. Indeed, only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life without a shred of empathy.


DCWatson says further, "Muslim crazies thought we'd tuck tail and run......We're running alright, straight on to the path of worldwide freedom, free of non-bathing, toothless, illiterate Islamist racists."


Oh come now. You were on the right track with the assertion above. However, there's no need to slip into abyss of obliviation with the last comment. No need to speak with relentless rage.


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SonofMoses:


ibn_kumuna35: You said:


"All you've been able to achieve in the two latest posts was to place anecdotes upon anecdotes."


What are you talking about man? There is nothing anecdotal about what I said. If Allah is a perfect being then he would not need to correct himself repeatedly in the space of 33 minutes. That is a contradiction of your god's characteristics. I presented a contradiction of fact, not an anecdote.


An anecdote is a short story, what I presented was the nature of what's written in the koran. If my repeating information thats contained in the koran is viewed by you as a short story, then you apparently must agree with me that the koran is fiction made up by mohammed.


Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


Interesting choice of words. How is it intellectually lazy to use one's brain and analyze information to arrive at a conclusion? Its a lot easier to simply memorize the koran and repeat it like a robot. In fact islam discourages free thought, so it sounds like you are projecting your state of mind on me.


Again, there "is" no evidence that Muhammad invented Allah.


That I actually agree with you on. Mohammed didnt actually invent allah. Allah was actually a pagan god that the arabs prayed to. I should have said mohammed invented his communications with allah. Wait, that might also be inaccurate as maybe he was in touch with a satanic figure who talked with him.


Indeed, only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life without a shred of empathy.


Spoken like a true muslim A Christian or Jew would have said. "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life". FULL STOP. Its interesting how you didnt have an issue with the taking of an innocent's life, just with the lack of empathy while undertaking the murder of an innocent.


Congratulations you passed the test. You are a good muslim!


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Ibn_kumuna:


SonofMoses states:


"What are you talking about man? There is nothing anecdotal about what I said. If Allah is a perfect being then he would not need to correct himself repeatedly in the space of 33 minutes. That is a contradiction of your god's characteristics. I presented a contradiction of fact, not an anecdote"


For the sake of brevity, I will only say that this is aberrant to where I was going.


SonofMoses states further:


"Interesting choice of words. How is it intellectually lazy to use one's brain and analyze information to arrive at a conclusion? It’s a lot easier to simply memorize the koran and repeat it like a robot. In fact islam discourages free thought, so it sounds like you are projecting your state of mind on me."


Again, brevity hinders me from going through the motions of a point-to-point response. However, with that said, it would be mechanical repetition to read the Quran, or any book for that matter, for the sheer sake of reading it. And as for the last statement, I have yet to put forth my state of mind.


SonofMoses:


"That I actually agree with you on. Mohammed didnt actually invent allah. Allah was actually a pagan god that the arabs prayed to. I should have said mohammed invented his communications with allah. Wait, that might also be inaccurate as maybe he was in touch with a satanic figure who talked with him."


That sounds like Christian polemics.


SonofMoses:


"Spoken like a true muslim A Christian or Jew would have said. "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life". FULL STOP. Its interesting how you didnt have an issue with the taking of an innocent's life, just with the lack of empathy while undertaking the murder of an innocent."


Had a Christian or Jew said, "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life,” I would have agreed with him/her completely. I'm not sure if you're meticulously picking on that statement alone or if you completely misunderstood what I had said,I certainly did not intend to sanction the killing of innocence by dressing it in a sugary coat of conciliatory wording.


Moreover, what is more interesting is the assumption I'm Muslim. Of course I do not deny that I am Muslim, but the assumption tickles me in the most intriguing way.


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SonofMoses:


Moreover, what is more interesting is the assumption I'm Muslim. Of course I do not deny that I am Muslim, but the assumption tickles me in the most intriguing way.


How do I know you are a muslim? Well its very simple.


1. In response to factual points, you are unable to address them. You instead respond with some nonsensical statement that never actually addresses my points, but waffles on and makes no sense whatsover. This allows you to respond, but really say nothing at all except to try and degrade what I said without actually providing a foundation.


2. You use the muslim name ibn_kumuna35


Ibn means "son of" in arabic. Son of Kumuna. I guess 35 is probably your age. And most likely you are an Indian or Pakistani because of your way of speaking. I would guess you are most likely an Indian muslim because Indian muslims tend to be more civil and less hostile than Pakistani muslims are.


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Ibn_Kumuna:


SonofMoses:


"In response to factual points, you are unable to address them. You instead respond with some nonsensical statement that never actually addresses my points, but waffles on and makes no sense whatsover. This allows you to respond, but really say nothing at all except to try and degrade what I said without actually providing a foundation."


Sarcastically speaking, I guess you won! Indeed, you sunk my battleship.


SonofMoses:


"Ibn means "son of" in arabic. Son of Kumuna. I guess 35 is probably your age. And most likely you are an Indian or Pakistani because of your way of speaking. I would guess you are most likely an Indian muslim because Indian muslims tend to be more civil and less hostile than Pakistani muslims are. "


This one had me rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter. Not only am I NOT Pakistani or Indian but I'm not 35. This just demonstrates the stupidity--nay insularity-- that is prevalent in the internet. I guess you'll just label it "conventional wisdom," right?


[P.S. Ibn Kumuna was a Medieval Baghdadi Jewish Philosopher]


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Ah-conventional "ignorance" indeed!


--Ibn

So I turn on the tv last night and there's this documentary on 3 seperate children growing up in Palestine. A really day to day inside look that you can't get on the news. It was the next best thing to actually visiting there in person.


I found myself feeling much like I did before 9/11. I really felt for these people. I really hurt for the children and their families. As I watched their homes get torn down, family members killed, friends killed, raids in the middle of the night, and often poor living conditions I easily understood how these people could feel so angry. When an Israeli tank shot one of the people on the film crew who was waving a white flag to say they were just journalist I realized how trigger happy these Israeli's were and the pain these people are going through. As an American, who like many other's, isn't a supporter of all Israel and a lot of what they do I was wondering why can't these people just be left alone to live in peace?


Then there was the part where the militants were using the boy to help them kill other people. I watched as they celebrated a child dying and told a dead boys sister that it was wrong to cry at his funeral. The militant said he "loved Ahmed like a brother". Then he stated that "there were millions more like Ahmed". This made me wonder do these people really love this child? Are they fighting for him or using him for what they are fighting for?


After watching this I understood the Palestinian point of view. Unfortunately they think that using their children as militia and killing innocent people to reach their goal is the best way to reach their goal. They want to kill me and my family. Why should I care if they are dying? But I do because I'm a Christian and can't help it. I hate seeing their children dye and I hate seeing them lose their family members. I wish I could support them in their fight, but they won't let me.

By: Masood


Lets get back to Islam, before the sun goes down,


We never know when we'll be under the mound.


"I'll pray when I get older," That's what they say,


But we might not have even one more day!


Lets get back to Islam, before its too late,


"Aw man, can't I just delay it for another date?"


Times running out, our lives are almost done,


"But brother, I'm too busy having fun."


Lets get back to Islam, Jahannam aint funny,


"Come on man, I'm to busy making money!"


The Quran sits on our shelves and there it picks up dust,


The longer we stay away from it, the more our hearts pick up rust.


Lets get back to Islam, before our lives our gone,


"Not right now, I'm too busy, can't you see I have the TV on!"


There's no time to waste, lets start it now,


come on, for Allah can't you even bow?


Lets get back to Islam, this aint just a song,


"But brother, a few minutes in prayer, that's too long!"


"I'll go on hajj when I'm around fifty-five,"


Come on man, by then will you even be alive?


Lets get back to Islam, lets not waist another day,


"Aw Masood, leave me alone, I just wanna play."


Lets turn back to Allah before we turn to dust,


There's no delaying, bro this is a must!


Lets get back to Islam, for reals, not just with our lips,


Oh Allah make us sincere, so we don't feel Jahannam's whips.


"I think I'll get pious when my hair turns gray."


Come on man, don't wait, we may die any day.


Lets get back to Islam, this aint just another rap,


Its a race to Jennah, and Islam's the only map.

Asalamalaykum


The following story occurred on the Internet through one of the chat programs (Freetel) in January 1999. It is a real dialogue between a Christian and a Muslim. The story centers on Derek's realization of today's Christianity and his subsequent conversion to lslam. This Christian-Muslim dialogue has been edited for readability and for the clarity of its message.


ABDULLAH: Hello there! How are you man?


DEREK: Hello! Well, how are you?


ABDULLAH: I'm fine and you?


DEREK: I'm fine thanks.


ABDULLAH: Where are you from?


DEREK: I'm from L.A. (Los Angeles).


ABDULLAH: The land of Hollywood!


DEREK: Well that's right. Have you ever been to L.A.?


ABDULLAH: No, never. Why are you calling yourself the Black Magic?


DEREK: It's just a nickname, man!


ABDULLAH: I see.


DEREK: Where are you from? Are you an Arab?


ABDULLAH: Yes, I am from Saudi Arabia but I'm in Qatar now. What is your name?


DEREK: My name is Derek. What's your name?


ABDULLAH: My name is Abdullah.


DEREK: What does Abdullah mean?


ABDULLAH: Abdullah means the servant of Allah and it is the function of each individual on the face of the earth to serve llah according to what Allah wants from us. By the way, Allah is the proper name of God.


DEREK: How do we know what God or Allah wants from us?


ABDULLAH: All of this is outlined in the Qur'an and the Sunnah (Ways of Prophet Muhammad; his sayings, actions and aprovals). These are the two major sources of guidance in lslam. Could you please tell me more about yourself? How ol are you?


DEREK: I am 19 years old, black and very uch interested in knowing more about lslam. First of all, what should a person do or believe in to become a Muslim?


ABDULLAH: Very easy, you just say that there is no god worthy of worshi but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger, and you become Muslim,


DEREK: You mean Muhammad is his apostle? But a a Christian or non-Muslim, this sentence is not enough to make it clear to me.


ABDULLAH: Ok Allah sent Muhammad a His last Prophet and Messenger and revealed the Qur'an to him as the final revelation to mankind. Allah said that He perected His religion and called it lslam (see Qur'an 5:3). Islam means peaceful submission to the Will of Allah.


DEREK: I see.


ABDULLAH: Yes, and unfortunately most Christians don't know or they deny that the coming of Prophet Muhammad is foretold in their scriptures (See Deuternomy 18:18; 21: 21; Psalms 1 18:22-23; Isiah 42:1-13; Habakuk 3:3-4; Matthew 21:42-43; John 14:12-17,15:26,27; 1:5-16). Muslim theologians have stated that the person who is described by Jesus to come after him (in the above verses) is Mhammed (peace be upon him).


DEREK: OK Fine, but why was there a need for another prophet after Jesus and another revelation after the Bible?


ABDULLAH: All of the Prophets came to teach their peoples the Oneness of God. In the case of Jesus, he was only sent as a Messenger to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (see Matt. 15:24). What happened was that all of these prophets were not well received by the majority of the people. For instance, they started tampering with the teachings of Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them (see Qur'an 2:79). That is why Allah sent Muhammad with the last Message, (i.e., the Qur'an), to bring all of mankind back to the belief in and worship of One God, without partners or intermediaries.


DEREK: Is the Qur'an similar to the Bible? I mean, what is it composed of?


ABDULLAH: The Qur'an came as the last code emphasizing the same pure monotheistic teachings of Jesus peace be upon him, defending all the previous pure teachings of monotheistic beliefs and clarifying who Jesus was and who his mother was, showing that they were no more than great people.


DEREK: OK then, how-can we be sure that the Qur'an has remained the same since the time of Prophet Muhammad?


ABDULLAH: Allah Himself has guaranteed that He would guard the Qur'an from corruption (see Qur'an 15:9). Hence, the real and pure words of Allah are found in the Qur'an, which was revealed in Arabic, the language of Mohammed's people. Since then, not an iota has changed. This is unlike what has happened in the other religions. For example, if you look at the Bible, you find a lot of versions; the name Bible itself is indicative of those changes because Bible means a collection of books from different writers.


DEREK: But didn't God call it the Bible?


ABDULLAH: God calls the Scripture revealed to Jesus "Injeel" in the Qur'an for which the closest name in the Bible would be the word Gospel. The Bible was written may years after the time of Jesus in a language that was alien to Jesus; it was Latin Vulgate, a language that he never spoke. Isn't this strange? Interestingly, most of what was written in the New Testament was authored by Paul, who, according to James, the brother of Jesus in the Bible, had a polluted mind because he changed and contradicted most of the teachings of Jesus.


DEREK: I think you know more about Christianity than the Pope does.


ABDULLAH: You are wrong by saying that I know more than the Pope. I have simply investigated the Bible with an inquiring mind, which is something that all Christians should do.


DEREK: Is there any English version of the Holy Qur'an?


ABDULLAH: There are many translations of the meanings of the Qur'an.


The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic which means that the words of Allah are in Arabic. The translations are the words of human beings relating to the meanings of the Qur'an to the non-Arabic speaking masses.


DEREK: How does the Qur'an define God to mankind or how does the Muslim perceive God?


ABDULLAH: GOD is the One and Only True GOD, and the Creator of all. He does not beget nor is He begotten. He is unlike His creation in every respect. He is the All-knowing, The Powerful, The Merciful, The Irresistible, and The King of kings.


DEREK: But it is somehow difficult for me to perceive God as being the same as His creatures.


ABDULLAH: You are absolutely right to have difficulty perceiving this because human beings have a limited capacity. This is why Allah sent revelations to His Prophets and Messengers to tell us who He is. So if you want to know who God is, just read the Qur'an.


DEREK: Christians believe that Jesus was sent for the salvation of all mankind. If this is not true, then the foundation of Christianity is faulty. Right? What do you think?


ABDULLAH: That's correct. The Christians of today are following what Paul taught and also tend to follow what the priests tell them to do instead of following what Jesus said.


DEREK: Kindly explain the concept of salvation through the crucifixion of Jesus.


ABDULLAH: In Christianity, the Doctrine of Original Sin is the reason that there is a need for salvation through Jesus' crucifixion. However, this doctrine was invented by Paul and it is strongly negated in the Old Testament (see Ezekial 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30, Deut. 24:16). This doctrine is an attempt to escape the responsibility of righteousness with the belief that punishment is given to someone else to release us from our burden of sins (see Ephesians 1:7, Romans 4:25, 10:9, Corinthians 15:21) In the Qur'an, every soul is responsible for its own deeds, good or bad (see 74:38,41:46, 3:25, 6:154).


DEREK: What about the crucifixion itself?


ABDULLAH: The Bible says Jesus cried out in a loud voice beseeching God for help on the cross: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46) Does that sound like Jesus to you?


DEREK: No, then what about Jesus' appearance to his disciples after the crucifixion?


ABDULLAH: Jesus didn't die on the cross nor was he resurrected. If he were resurrected, then he would have come to his disciples in a spiritual body. As shown in Luke 24:36-43, he met them with his physical body after the event of his alleged crucifixion. In the Qur'an, it says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was someone else who was made to look like him (see 4:157,158).


DEREK: How did the story of the crucifixion of Jesus get into the Bible then?


ABDULLAH: Once again, Paul was responsible (see Timothy 2:8 and Romans 5:10).


DEREK: Well, I, very deep in my heart, believe that God can never look like his creation nor does he do what they do. What I believe is that God is the perfect one who is very much different from everything we see or touch. In other words, I think the writer can never look like his book.


ABDULLAH: You are right. There is nothing comparable to Allah (see Qur'an 112:4). The prophets came with a very clear message to worship God alone, without any partners or intercessors.


However, Paul took pagan beliefs and practices from the Romans and mixed them with the teachings of Jesus. Consequently, Paul was mostly responsible for elevating Jesus to the status of Son of God (see Acts 9:20) and God.


DEREK: Yes. Now I remember. The first Commandment is, " Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord."


ABDULLAH: You're right. That's in Mark 12:29. Moreover, the Qur'an confirms that God is One: "Say He is Allah, the One and Only (God)." (Qur'an 112:1)


DEREK: What you are saying makes perfect sense. This is just incredible! You mean that for almost 2000 years what the Christians have been following is wrong?


ABDULLAH: Yes, especially their misunderstanding of who Jesus was.


DEREK: Oh my God! I've been deceived! Really, I feel religiously raped. I have been fooled simply because I followed blindly the religion that I was born with and didn't take care to investigate it thoroughly. But still inside me there is something holding me back from accepting lslam, even though lslam is clearly the True Religion.


ABDULLAH: Your last comment shows that you are a Muslim not a Christian and if you really love God and His Messenger Jesus, you will follow lslam and Prophet Muhammad. Break this barrier inside you and come back to the way of your ancestors. You are now free because you are looking for the Truth and our great prophet Jesus told us that we should look for the Truth and the Truth will set us free. So, you will be a free man as soon as you accept It. Be strong enough to accept lslam as the Truth, without any hesitation on your part and you will taste real freedom and real happiness that you have never tasted before.


DEREK: Frankly, I am concerned about the negative way lslam and Muslims are shown in the media. In the West, there is a stigma attached to being a Muslim and I'm not sure I'm ready to live with that stigma.


ABDULLAH: This is why I have chosen to tell people about the right picture of lslam.


DEREK: Then, what is the right picture of lslam?


ABDULLAH: The right picture of lslam is conveyed in the Qur’an, which is exemplified by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The reality is that it is not fair to judge a religion by the actions of its followers alone because there are good and bad followers in every religion. The correct thing to do is to judge a religion by its documented revelation from God and the prophet who brought that revelation.


DEREK: I see. I agree with you, but I'm still concerned about the reaction of my family and friends if they know that I am a Muslim.


ABDULLAH: On Judgement Day, no one will be able to help you, not even your father, mother or any of your friends (see Qur'an 31:33). So, if you believe that lslam is the True religion, you should embrace it and live your life to please the One Who created you. Be an illuminating torch for them. Do not delay your coming to lslam. If you die before becoming a Muslim, then it's too late (see Qur'an 2:132, 3:102, 3:85). So grab this opportunity now. You can only remedy this pain inside you by becoming a Muslim and being able in the future, God willing, to come and perform pilgrimage (Hajj).


DEREK: You are very wise man, I want to say that when I sometimes see on the satellite, especially in the season of Hajj, people of different colors and different races sitting side by side and praying to God, I feel pain deep inside my heart and I feel something urging me to talk with someone to know more about that great religion that can gather all the races in the same place. Thanks to you, I have found that person. So please help me become a Muslim!


ABDULLAH: Brother let us take it step by step. First, enter lslam by saying: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah. AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER. Let us say this again, I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGERS. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER.


DEREK: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah. I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND LAST MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT EISA IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER.


ABDULLAH: By the way, Jesus' name is not Jesus. It is a latinized name. His real name is Eisa. Now you will say the same thing in Arabic, the language of the Qur'an. I will transliterate for you. ASH'HADU AN LA'ILAHA ILLA Allah WAASH'HADU ANNA MUHAMMMADAN RASOOLULLAH WA ASH'HADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAHI WA RASOOLUHU.


DEREK: ASHADU AN LA ILAHA ILLALLAH WA ASHADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN RASULULLAH WA ASHADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAH1 WA RASOOLUHU.


ABDULLAH: Brother, say Allah is the greatest because you are a Muslim now. You are not a Christian anymore. Your are in the House of lslam. If I were with you, I would hug you as my brother in lslam. How do you feel now? A burden has been removed from you and you feel like you are so light, isn't this right?


DEREK: If you were with me now, you would have seen my tears reaching my neck. You are a great brother. I feel that I have just come to life, This is exactly how I feel from now. I don't have to listen the silly words of the priests in the church, who knowingly or unknowingly lead people astray. I hope to be a good servant of Allah.


ABDULLAH: You know what came out of you was disbelief and it was replaced by belief. You are so clean now, because when someone embraces Islam sincerely, Allah forgives all of his past sins. So, go to the Islamic center that has Muslims from all over the world and announce your lslam there, and continue to learn more about lslam from them. In addition, find a book on prayer in lslam and practice it. This is essential. Now after you are through with me, you must take a shower to purify yourself from previous wrong beliefs. Remember to stay away from bad company and be with righteous Muslim people. Also, beware of those so-called Muslims who call to nationalistic ideas or racial thoughts, which are rejected in lslam. I love you as a brother in lslam and I hope one day I will see you and hear your voice.


DEREK: I will for sure do what you have asked. And tomorrow I will go to the Islamic center. Thank you for showing me the Truth. I will do my best to meet people who know about lslam for sure. May God help you guide more and more people to the true word of God. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Apostle... Well it is as difficult for me as it is for you to leave you.


ABDULLAH: Well brother, you will not leave me for a long time. I will soon be with you through my supplications. God willing. Pray for me, brother.


DEREK: Well, I thank you, I love you although I do not know you yet. But it is enough for me to remember that one day, a very dear man has picked me up from the mud of life. Please teach me another Islamic word in Arabic so as to make use of it in the Islamic center.


ABDULLAH: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and Astaghfirullah.


DEREK: What do they mean?


ABDULLAH: May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you. This is used as a greeting to all Muslims. The last word means, Allah forgive me. Well, I have to leave you now but be sure it will not be for long.


DEREK: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and Astaghfirullah for being astray from the Truth all those years. May God bless you. You have occupied a great place in my heart and I will never forget you. Bye and talk to you later. Your brother in lslam, Derek, but I will call myself Eisa from now on.


ABDULLAH: OK Eisa. I will leave you some final words of inspiration. Certainly, the ultimate goal of every individual is to be in Paradise forever. This reward of Paradise is too great to not have a price. That price is true faith, which is proven obedience to Allah and following the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). THIS IS THE ROAD TO PARADISE. Let's stay in touch! Assalamu Alaikum!


DEREK: O.K. Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu.

Are muslims supposed to eat (or allowed to eat) things that aren't hallal, but aren't inherintly non-hallal? For example: Fluff. Can you eat it? Swedish Fish? Tang? Count Chocula?

Salam. it is haram, work (in) or open a womenunderwearshop?JazzakallahuKheyr.

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The resistance fighters of the BLA are as invisible as those of Iraq and like the US Army in Iraq, the Pakistan Army in Baluchistan has been groping in the dark, without being able to identify them and penetrate their set-up.


B. RAMAN


(To be read in continuation of the earlier articles titled The Chinese In Baluchistan and The Unrest In Baluchistan)


The law and order situation in Baluchistan continues to deteriorate steadily despite the use of the Army by the military-dominated regime in Islamabad to put an end to acts of violence directed at the members of the Shia community, the Chinese experts deployed at the Gwadar port project, gas pipelines and other economic targets, including a local airport, and military personnel.


The responsibility for the restoration of law and order has been informally taken over by the Army without a formal proclamation and helicopter gunships, received in the past from the US for use in counter-terrorism operations directed against the dregs of Al Qaeda and the Taliban taking shelter in the areas near the Afghanistan border, are being used against the Baluchi population, which has had nothing to do with either Al Qaeda or the Taliban, in an attempt to suppress their movement against the military-dominated regime and what is perceived as its attempts to reduce the Baluchis to a minority in their traditional homeland.


There are various root causes for the resistance movement being waged by the Baluchis:


Mounting anger over the denial of the benefits of the natural gas and other mineral resources of the province to the Baluchis in the form of increased royalty payments.


The denial of any meaningful role to the Baluchis in decisions relating to the construction and administration of the Chinese-aided Gwadar port project.


The influx of a large number of Punjabis and other non-Baluchis into the province to work in the Gwadar project.


The continuing acts of discrimination against the Baluchis in matters of recruitment to the Armed Forces and various civilian departments of the Government.


The establishment of more cantonments in the Province to enable the Army better maintain law and order.


The ground situation has been further complicated by the import of the Shia-Sunni sectarian divide into the province from Punjab and Karachi and by the influx of the dregs of Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the Uighur terrorist elements from the Xinjiang province of China into the province, where they have been given shelter by the local fundamentalist organisations with the tacit approval of the Government.


The root causes mentioned above have given rise to two kinds of anti-Islamabad and anti-military movements:


An overt political movement in the form of protest meetings, demonstrations and rallies not involving the use of violence. Four non-religious political parties of Baluchistan, who have formed a united front, continue to play a leading role in this movement. These are the Jamhoori Watan Party, the National Party, the Baluchistan National Party (Mengal) and the Baluch Haqtawar.


A covert freedom movement involving targeted acts of violence against economic targets and other infrastructure and military personnel.


The factors mentioned above have made Quetta, the capital of the province, the scene of periodic anti-Shia incidents and the bordering areas of the province safe sanctuaries for Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the Uighurs for mounting operations against Afghan and American troops in Afghan territory. The presence of the Uighurs has added to the security concerns of the Chinese, necessitating the deployment of a large contingent of the Pakistan Army, exclusively for the protection of the Chinese experts working in the Gwadar port and the Saindak copper extraction projects.


The frequent visits of Chinese security experts to the province and the recent high-profile joint Sino-Pak counter-terrorism exercise held in Xinjiang were meant to restore the confidence of the Chinese experts and to strengthen the co-operation between the counter-terrorism agencies of the two countries.


The reluctance or inability of the provincial authorities to act effectively against the dregs of Al Qaeda and the Taliban operating from the border areas of the province and to put an end to their terrorist infrastructure directed against the Americans and the Hamid Karzai Government in Kabul have brought the Pakistan Army and its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) under US pressure to mount operations against these dregs in Baluchi territory, similar to the operations mounted by the Armyt since October last year against the dregs in the South Waziristan area of the Federally-Administered Tribal areas (FATA).


At a time when its troops inducted into the South Waziristan area have been involved in a bleeding guerilla warfare with the tribals and the Uzbek, Chechen and Uighur dregs in that area resulting in mounting military casualties, a further alienation of the local tribals and increasing anti-Musharraf feelings in the Armed Forces, the Pakistan Army is reluctant to get bogged down in a similar guerilla warfare against Al Qaeda and the Taliban dregs in Baluchistan, which might further come in the way of its efforts to quell the Baluchi resistance movement.


Senior army officers and the ISI are against getting involved in a two-front military operation in Baluchistan--- one against the Baluchi nationalists, who, in the Army's perception, pose a threat to Pakistan's unity and economic prosperity and endanger its relations with China and the other against the dregs of Al Qaeda and the Taliban, who do not threaten Pakistani lives and interests. Their first priority is quelling the re-emerging Baluchi independence movement before it assumes alarming proportions similar to those of the 1970s.


Gen.Pervez Musharraf has been trying to follow a three-pronged policy:


Keeping the door open for a political dialogue with the non-religious political parties, who have confined their activities to an overt political movement against Islamabad without indulging in acts of violence


A no-holds-barred military campaign against the Baluchi youth who have started a violent struggle to achieve their objectives. While large sections of the Baluchi population look upon these youth as freedom-fighters, the military has been projecting them as terrorists


Avoiding getting bogged down in operations against the dregs of Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the bordering areas lest it weaken its operations against the Baluchis. The Americans seem to understand Musharraf's imperative of quelling the re-kindled Baluchi independence movement before acting against the dregs. The position might change as the US presidential elections approach, particularly if the reports regarding the presence of some senior Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the areas near the Iran border are confirmed.


The move for a political dialogue with the provincial political parties has been a non-starter till now in the absence of any indication of the military's willingness to consider their demands relating to the increase in the payment of royalty, suspension of the construction of the Gwadar project till its implications for the economic interests of the Baluchis are examined, the stoppage of the influx of the Punjabis and other non-Baluchis into the province and the abandoning of the plans for more cantonments. They also want the suspension of the military operations against the Baluchi youth.


Musharraf has already made clear his determination to go ahead with the Gwadar and other Chinese-aided projects in the province and the projects for new cantonments. His Government continues to deny any military operations against the Baluchi youth. Thus, the only issues on which his regime may be prepared to negotiate relate to the demand for more royalty and for more job opportunities for the Baluchis. Even this has not been indicated openly and specifically.


There are two generations of Baluchis now engaged in a simultaneous confrontation with the Islamabad regime. The first is the older generation, consisting of the grown-up members of the younger generation of the 1970s, which had spearheaded the post-1971 freedom struggle, which was brutally crushed by the late Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto with the help of the Army and the Air Force. In their midst, one could see recognisable faces like those of Ataullah Khan Mengal, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, Khair Bux Marri etc and their progenies, who were born in the 1950s and the 1960s and fought with their elders against the Pakistan Army before giving up their armed struggle and taking up to politics.


The second is the post-1970 generation of young Baluchis. Many of them are from the same legendary tribes which had waged a freedom struggle in the 1970s, but had no role to play in it, because they were still children or not yet born. Many members of this younger generation went to the Gulf countries in the 1980s and 1990s, served in the local police and security forces, acquired a certain expertise in the use of arms and ammunition and explosives and have since returned to Baluchistan. It is these elements, which constitute the hard-core of the Baluch Liberation Army (BLA), which has been in the forefront of the current freedom struggle.


The BLA is a very well-organised and well-motivated clandestine organisation, with a high degree of invisibility. Very little is known about its leaders and cadres. One hears of them whenever there is a spectacular incident such as the eight explosions in Quetta on Pakistan's Independence Day on August 14, 2004, the ambush of a group of seven Pakistani army officers going for shopping in the Khuzdar area on August 1, killing five of them,, the abortive attempt to kill the Baluchistan Chief Minister Jam Yousef in the same area the next day, the frequent disruptions of gas and oil supplies to Punjab by blowing up the pipelines, the blowing-up of the Sui local airport etc, but one rarely sees them.


The resistance fighters of the BLA are as invisible as those of Iraq and have been operating in a large number of small. autonomous cells, capable of opportunistic actions without the apparent need for a central command and control. Like the US Army in Iraq, the Pakistan Army in Baluchistan has been totally foxed by their activities. It has been groping in the dark, without being able to identify them and penetrate their set-up.


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B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai, and Distinguished Fellow and Convenor, Observer Reserach Foundation (ORF), Chennai Chapter.

why did i choose Qutuz as a nickname and not Saladin or Abdel Rahman Al Nasser or any other hero name?


is it because Qutuz was blue eyed and blonde? sure No..Abdul Rahman Al Nasser was blue eyed blonde too


is it because of his courage? his valor is unmatched but that is just one of the reasons


read this article first


"Sweet fruit on a tree beckons to all"


The Islamic state in the seventh century AH (After Hijrah) was such fruit. Occupying the entire area from Samarkand and Bukhara all the way to the shores of the Atlantic, the Islamic empire was an invitation for the Moguls of southeast Siberia (bordering China) to expand West.


Thus the Muslims, throughout this century, were prey to wave upon wave of devastating Mogul expansionism. And the stronger the odor of blood, the faster the wild animals close in on the kill.


Amidst the sporadic Mogul settlements in the cruel Hayoubi desert, a young leader emerged: Temojin, better known as Genghis Khan. In 602 AH, Khan united the Mogul tribes under the common aspiration of expanding south to conquer China.


His men were fearless and accustomed to hard living. Taking advantage of the harsh desert conditions, the Moguls defeated China followed by its Western neighbor Kata. This took them to the border of the large Eastern Islamic state: The Khawarizmi state.


Aladdin al-Khawarizmi, the king of the Islamic State, had underestimated the power of the Moguls and mistreated the delegates sent to him by Khan. This was the opportunity Khan had been eagerly awaiting to leap into the Islamic towns, of whose riches he had long heard. Eventually, Khan and Khawarizmi locked in bloody battle. But triumph was for neither.


Realizing what he was up against, Khawarizmi retreated in a vain attempt to assemble his forces and protect his towns. Khan moved quickly and seized the towns of Bukhara, Samarkand, then Khurassan. One after the next, the Islamic towns fell to the Moguls.


Unlike the conquests of Alexander the Great and other warriors, Khan's conquests were nothing short of vicious. Wherever the Moguls set foot; men, women and children would be slaughtered; towns would be burnt to the ground, and terror and destruction would reign. Driven only by savagery and the thirst for blood, Khan's men took pleasure in violating helpless people in every possible way.


They raided the libraries and scattered and destroyed the books. Mosques were used as pubs or stables. After purging the people of the town of Jerjania, the Moguls flooded the town by destroying the Jaymon River Dam.


Survivors of the Moguls suffered with severe mental and emotional scars as well as illnesses. Ibn al-Atheer described one such experience: "For several years, I could not bring myself to mention this. Who is capable of writing the obituary of Islam and the Muslims with ease? I wish I had never been born, I wish I had died before having seen this, died and been eternally forgotten." Ibnul Atheer swore that later generations reading accounts of the Mogul events would find them hard to believe. He died in 630 AH and never lived to see the fall of Baghdad.


The death of Genghis Khan brought no end to the waves of Mogul expansionism into the Islamic State. Khan's grandson, Hulegu captured and destroyed Baghdad. The Abbasid Khalifah there was killed as a result of a conspiracy against him by his aid, Ibn al-Alaki ash-Shee'ei. Hulegu's forty days raid of Baghdad left over 800,000 dead. Those who came out of hiding after that were described as the living dead.


Hulegu's armies advanced toward the Levant. Their first action was to make a pact with the Christians in Antakia and Armenia against the Ayoubi royalty of the area. In 658 AH, they seized Aleppo then Damascus. Hulegu's plans to advance on Egypt were interrupted by his need to return to his homeland to resolve some issues with the ruling family. He delegated Qatabga to lead the Mogul forces in their attack on Egypt.


Since the decline of the Ayoubis, the Mamaleek reigned in Egypt led by Qutuz ibn Abdullah. Qutuz received a threatening letter from Hulegu vowing that Egypt was his next kill. Qutuz consulted with one of his learned men, al-Izz ibn Abdussalam. (Al-Izz was originally from Damascus. He had moved to Egypt as a result of a quarrel with the King of Damasucs, a descendant of the Ayoubis, over turning over the Fort of Safad to the Christians.) al-Izz advised Qutuz that fighting for the cause of Allah (Jihad) was unavoidable and triumph would be for the Muslims, Allah willing.


Qutuz prepared to collect money from his subjects in order to mobilize for the coming war, however, al-Izz firmly rejected this idea. He suggested that the royalty in Egypt were fully capable of providing for the war, considering their riches and the gold of their wives. Should there still be a need, al-Izz suggested they request loans from the merchants and impose taxes on the people.


Chilling accounts of Mogul warfare caused the Egyptians to be slow in their response to the call for battle. Qutuz urged them: "I am off to war. If you choose to fight for the cause of Allah, accompany me to meet the barbarians." Encouraged by his words, the royalty and the army marched toward Palestine. The final battle was fought at Ain Jalout in northeast Palestine. Qutuz detected some weakness in the Mogul lines. "Glory to Islam!" He reared, tearing off his helmet.


The victory of Allah descended and Qatabga, the Mogul leader, was killed. It was truly a triumph for which Muslims everywhere were thankful.


The battle had several significant outcomes. For the very first time, the Moguls had been defeated, and their army had been wiped out. The Mamaleek emerged with unprecedented power in Egypt and the Levant. They set out to cleanse the region of the Moguls and Christians. Cairo became the center of science and learning and many scholars settled there.


[Excerpts from: Al Jumu'ah, Vol 12, Issue 1]


http://www.islamweb.net/php/php_arabic/rea...lang=E&id=64374


so..quick timeline


1. Qutuz was raised as a prince in a kingdom which is in Afghanistan now


2. Mongols vandlaised this kingdom and killed the king (Qutuz's uncle) and sold Qutuz in Slavery


3. Qutuz was sold to a family in Damscus and later he was sold to a Memluk prince in Cairo


4. Mongols marched to Baghdad.


5. the caliph surrendered


6. the caliph is executed by the Mongols


7. Mongols and their christian allies enter Baghdad..vandlising the city and killing million civillian in 40 days.


8. the news shock the Islamic world....next stop..syria!


9. Mongols march to syria


10. Syrians showed great courage but their destiny was no better than their Iraqi brothers..but this time...it was brutal...one Syrian prince showed great courage in fighting and when he was caught the Mongols executed him by cutting his body parts and feed it to him! (REAL STORY)


<b>11. christians and non Muslims in Syria rejoice and side with Mongols....they humilated Muslims...drink wine inside mosques....forcing Muslims to eat pork and drink alcohol in Ramadan</b>


12. non Muslims believed its Islam end.


13. Muslims lost hope...Mongols are invincible and only Egypt is standing...after Egypt...the way to Mecca is clear!!!


14. Qutuz became the King of Egypt....God sent us the right man in the right time.


15. Hulaqo send messengers to Qutuz....surrender or you will suffer slow death..


16. Qutuz behead the messengers and hang their heads on a gate in Cairo...message delivered to the Egyptian people : mongols are human like us and we can defeat them!....did you see the blood when we cut their heads?..they are humans!


17. the battle of Ain Jaloot...enough said


18. Muslims turn....as the news arrive to syria an uprise against Mongols and the non Muslims start


<b>19. Qutuz march to Syria...not for Mongols...but for the triators.</b>


20. not gonna say what Qutuz did to the non Muslims triators in Syria...there is ladies here!!


don't you just loved this man?? sharp edge Qutuz.

Salam


so wot did people get well everyone in uk whos doing a levels


I got my reulst today good and bad


i got a B for I.CT, C for business and E for accounts


Neway wish everyone good luck with thier results


inshallah u'll all do well


hey all people getin ther GCSE results let us know wot u get