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  As Salaamu Alaykum
Posted by: AbuMubarak - 09-14-2004, 10:03 PM - Forum: General - Replies (8)


long time since i have really been here


i pretty much plan on making this my "home" forum henceforth, so to the muslims i send my salaams


yesterday, i was trying to acces the forum, www.islamsms.com/en/ and i got the old green forum and no posts


is that forum different than this one or was my computer just experiencing a glitch?

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  Black Magic
Posted by: waheedrafiq - 09-14-2004, 08:03 PM - Forum: General - Replies (16)


Salaam guy's its was only yesterday my wife discover a ta-wees in the front garden buried in the ground. We pass it to my mum who then pass it to a female friend who then approach someone who can understand these things .


It appears this black art was done on me so I fight with my wife and lose my income etc… the person who read this states that it is one of the most powerful ta-wees he has ever read. This person did not ask for any money and the female never give any money.


I don’t believe in these things at all , in fact I only believe in Allah however would it be possible for someone to send me a ta-wees that keeps these bad omens away .


Of course Allah o might is the one who can destroy or keep anything.


Guy’s my fellow sister I have western views on this can you advice me on this or write me a good ta-wees that will protect my family.


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  Question Reqarding Palestine
Posted by: Megadeth - 09-14-2004, 02:44 PM - Forum: General - Replies (3)


Does the fact that both Muslims and Jews view some of the land in the area as holy make it impossible to share or is it possible for the two to co-exist?


Can Palestine not exist as a country as it is right now? By that I mean could lines be drawn up that says this is the country of Palestine? I'm assuming no because of the rights some feel they have to the land that the Jews currently control so some or most wouldn't agree to this, but is there any other choice. A few bombings now and then don't seem to be enough to make the Jews give the land up.


In a nut shell what is it exactly the Palestinians are fighting for?


Any info is appreciated.

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  Question On Iraq, Killing, Etc
Posted by: Megadeth - 09-14-2004, 12:27 PM - Forum: General - Replies (9)


In regards to the 47 people trying to make a living in Iraq who were killed today by a car bomb; In what way do the people who kill these other Muslims hope to gain?


Who gave these Muslims the right to decide who lives and who dies?


If one Muslim killing another is the work of Allah then an American who kills a Muslim must be the work of Allah right?


Or is this all just Allah's work when a Muslim kills another person and Satan's work when a non-Muslim kills somebody?

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  Another Question From Your New Muslim Brother
Posted by: Anyabwile - 09-13-2004, 08:35 PM - Forum: Islam - Replies (85)



As suggested by you all i have started reading the Quran for myself despite the quite unusually high number of emails i'm receiving from christians telling me not to. It's almost amusing. Does everyone else get this? I've had to change email although i still check the one linked to this site, i just have to sift through the mails. But im not being sent Links to websites, it's the actual texts fully reproduced in the email what i'm getting, so i can't ignore it.




Here is the latest thing that was sent to me, which has bought tears to my eyes, but for the wrong reasons. I don't think i've ever felt such a swirl of emotions over the course of two weeks that i have since embraced islam... Pleeeeeease don't tell me to ignore this, or to read the Quran as i have just started reading an online version, although i desire to one day learn arabic as i have said but please someone explain this. As these things hurt me deeply, those who have read my original posts will know why...




Once again please don't tell me to read Quran i am reading it now, and please dont tell me not to read what people send to me in OPEN emails, it's impossible not to. Basically either the things here are true or not, i'd rather check with my fellow brothers and sisters than at a christian site right? It's being sent from a christian so i am highly sceptical, and the amount of holes and ten thousand versions of the bible have no interest to me at all, this is after personal research. I must say since embracing Islam the love has been like nothing else, people from here have offered me gifts and suchlike, and i love you all so much for guiding me. i just need clearence on the below article i was sent in email, i will not disclose their name, they know who they are though, as they would have got the email from this board. Please tell me what i'm reading here isn't true...this is what was in my email...




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Anyabwile




Mohammed had no respect for BLACKS, whites and Arabs were equal to him, but Blacks were Below.




Mohammed Owned Black Slaves only. Therefore it is only natural that <b>Islam Looked Down on Blacks </b>
Islam is not the Haven of Freedom and Equality.




<b>Mohammed owned several black slaves. </b>
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya relies heavily on the prophet's biographies written by great ancient scholars. Therefore, he is regarded by Muslims as an authority, a primary source and a leader among the students of Islamic religion.




This scholar tells us in his book, "Zad al-Ma'ad" (part 1, pp. 114-116), the following:




"These are the names of Muhammad's male slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, 'Ubayd, Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad, Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am, Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, Ab Kabsha, Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid, Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu' Ayb, Abu Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and also a black slave called Mahran."




<b>Even in modern times, in Saudi Arabia the homeland of Islam, the common word for "Black" is "Abd" meaning slave.</b>





What was Mohammed's position on freeing the slaves? In one instance , a man freed a slave that he kept as a sexual partner. When Mohammed heard what happened, he auctioned the boy and sold him for 800 derhams to Na-eem Ebn Abdullah Al- Nahham. (Sahih Moslem vol. 7, page 83)




According to Mohammed, the punishment for committing adultery is different between a free man, a free woman and a slave-woman. The man is to be flogged one-hundred stripes and be exiled for one year. The free woman must be stoned to death. But the slave-woman <b>(since she has a monetary value) </b>
will not be exiled or killed, she is to be flogged one-hundred stripes. If the violation is repeated, the slave-woman is to be sold.(Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 8:821 & 822)




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<b>Islam is a religion, whose sacred Scriptures contain explicit denigrating remarks about Black people.</b>
<b>Mohammed referred to Blacks as "raisin heads</b>
". (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256).




<b>In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". </b>
(Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47).




Islam is not the Haven of Freedom and Equality




I wouldn't want to be a Muslim because Islam is anti freedom, which is one issue so close to the hearts and minds of African Americans, considering the inequities they have suffered in their past.




One thing Islam does not believe in is freedom of religion. If Islam takes over America there wouldn't be a choice of religion. The Quran states: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost".(Surah 3:85)




My fellow African Muslims don't care for your skin color, they are only using that to gain control over you.




Jesus Christ came to give us eternal life, where everybody stands equal in the sight of God. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus".




Galatians 3:28 The difference between Islam and the teachings of Jesus Christ is great. The choice is clear, the choice is yours.




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Ignore all the Jesus christ nonesense at the end, but can someone explain more on the sections that were highlighted. However on the opposite hand, I will never forget how i felt when i read this at a website...




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"NO RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN ISLAM




In another khutba at Mina Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) proclaimed this profound message: "O people! Verily your Rabb (Allah) is One and verily your father is one (Aadam alaihis salaam). Remember! There is no virtue of an Arab upon a Non-Arab and vice versa, nor is there any virtue of a White above a Black or for a Black person over a White except in taqwa (piety). Verily the noblest among you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most pious" (Baihaqi).




Racial and colour barriers were totally destroyed by Islam. Superiority is not determined on such aspects. The criteria for superiority is the fear of Allah and obedience to Him. Whoever fulfils these criteria the best, whether it be a man or woman, Arab or non-Arab, Black or White, will be the most superior. However, it is most unfortunate that the legacy of apartheid lingers to some extent in many Muslims. Often the non-discriminatory policy of Islam is violated in various ways. There is an urgent need to cleanse ourselves from this malady. This message of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) must also be deeply ingrained into our families and children. "




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But the above i posted contradicts. Please remember i am reading Quran, and am only debating, asking questions. Thank you!!


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  Hundreds Of Embracing Islam Stories
Posted by: Islam is the truth - 09-13-2004, 04:12 PM - Forum: General - Replies (2)

http://www.newmuslims.tk

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  Hundreds Of Embracing Islam Stories
Posted by: Islam is the truth - 09-13-2004, 04:05 PM - Forum: Links - No Replies


http://www.newmuslims.tk

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  Women In Islam And Christian
Posted by: lifutushi - 09-13-2004, 01:30 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (33)


Assalamu'alaykum....


Whenever the topic of Islam is brought up among Westerners, it has been that the first objection that immediately springs into their minds is: "But women are so extremely oppressed in Islam."


And, "But women are second class citizens in Islam." For example, they see that Muslim women usually observe modest standards in their clothing and they automatically equate their modesty with oppression.


They appear to feel that freedom is in some way directly proportional to how little clothing one wears, and that oppression is directly proportional to the degree of modesty one exhibits in their clothing. now let us see some Islamic view on women...


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"And they (women) have rights similar to those of men over them in a just manner" (Qur'an, 2:228)


"And their Lord has heard them (and He says): Verily! I suffer not the work of any worker, male or female, to be lost. You proceed one from another. So those who fled and were driven forth from their homes and suffered damage for My cause, and fought and were slain, verily I shall remit their evil deeds from them and verily I shall bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow. A reward


from Allah. And with Allah is the fairest of rewards." (3:195)


"And covet not the thing in which Allah has made some of you excel others. Unto men a fortune from that which they have earned, and unto women a fortune from that which they have earned. (Envy not one another) but ask Allah of His bounty. Verily! Allah is Knower of all things." (4:32)


"Unto the men (of a family) belongs a share of that which parents and near kindred leave, and unto the women a share of that which parents and near kindred leave, whether it be little or much, a legal share." (4:77)


"And whoso does good works, whether of male or female, and he (or she) is a believer, such will enter paradise and they will not be wronged the dint in a date stone." (4:124)


"And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise." (9:71)


"Whosoever does right, whether male or female, and is a believer, him verily We shall quicken with good life, and We shall pay them a recompense in proportion to the best of what they used to do." (16:97)


"And of His signs is this: He created for you spouses from yourselves that you might find tranquillity in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy. Lo, herein indeed are signs for folk who reflect." (30:21)


"Whoso does an ill deed, he will be repaid the like thereof, while whoso does right, whether male or female, and is a believer, (all) such will enter the Garden, where they will be nourished without stint." (40:40)


In the Qur'an, both Adam and Eveshare the blame for eating from the tree. This can be seen in the Qur'an insuch verses as Al-Baqarah(2):36, Al-A'araf(7):22-24. They were also both forgiven by God Almighty for this sin. Actually, in one verse of the Qur'an (Taha(20):121), Adam is specifically blamed.


The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:


"The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their


wives."


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now, from Biblical view:


1 Timothy 2:11-14 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."


1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."


1 Corinthians 11:5-10: "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovereddishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."


1 Corinthians 11:13: "Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God (with her head) uncovered?"


Genesis 3:12-16 "And the man (Adam) said, The woman (Eve) whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and heshall rule over thee."


Leviticus 12:2-5 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days."


Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was still searching but not finding, I found one upright man among a thousand but not one upright woman among them all".


Leviticus 15:19-30 "And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.


And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness."


What the canonized saints of Christianity said about women:


"Woman is a daughter of falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of peace; through her Adam lost paradise"


(St. John Demascene)


"Woman is the instrument which the devil uses to gain possession of our souls" (St. Cyprian)


"Woman is the fountain of the arm of the devil, her voice is the hissing of the serpent" (St. Anthony)


"Woman has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon" (St. Gregory)


St. Tertullian, while he was talking to his 'best beloved sisters' in the faith, he said, "Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessitylive too. You are the Devil's gateway: You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil wasn't valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God's image, man." Once again, St. Augustinewrote to a friend, "What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman."


St. Thomas Aquinas considered women as defective, "As regards the individual nature,woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfectlikeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence." (all these quotations can be found in Karen Armstrong's book, The Gospel According to Woman, London: Elm Tree Books, 1986, pp. 52-62. See also Nancy van Vuuren, The Subversion of Women as Practiced by Churches, tch-Hunters, and Other Sexists Philadelphia: Westminster Press pp.28-30.)


St. Tertullian in his famous treatise 'On The Veiling Of Virgins' wrote, "Young women, you wear your veils out on the streets, so you should wear them in the church, you wear them when you are among strangers, then wear them among your brothers..." Among the Canon laws of the Catholic church today, there is a law that require women to cover their heads in church (Clara M. Henning, " Cannon Law and the Battle of the Sexes" in Rosemary R. Ruether, ed., Religion and Sexism: Images of Woman in the Jewish and Christian Traditions, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1974, p. 272.).


Some Christian denominations, such as the Amish and the Mennonites for example, keep their women veiledto the present day. The reason for the veil, as offered by their Church leaders, is "The head covering is a symbol of woman's subjection to the man and to God" : The same logic introduced by St. Paul in the New Testament (Donald B. Kraybill, The riddle of the Amish Culture, Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press,1989, p. 56.)


Russian Orthodox women are expected to wear a head covering when in the church. Most don't outside of itin America, but many in Russia and many other eastern Orthodox women all over eastern Europe, Greece, and the middle east do wear scarves on their heads all the time when in public


according to the Old Testament, a childless widow must marry her husband's brother, even if he is already married and regardless of her consent, so that she might bear a child from him (Genesis 38).


Further, according to the Bible:


"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" (Deuteronomy 22:28-30)


One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the womanwho was raped? What is to prevent someone from finding the best looking woman in town, raping her, telling everyone about it, and then having the courts force her to be his wife for the rest of her life?


According to Numbers 27:1-11, widows and sisters don't inherit at all. Daughters can inherit only if their deceased father had no sons.


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Wallahu'alam...

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  Ramadaan Wallpapers
Posted by: lifutushi - 09-13-2004, 12:49 PM - Forum: Ramadan - Replies (3)


Assalamu'alaykum....


i just made two wallpapers on Ramadaan for another forum, but i think i could put it here too....


http://www.geocities.com/arip_extra/rama...veled1.jpg


http://www.geocities.com/arip_extra/ramadhan_qadr1.jpg


Insha Allah..more to comes..if i'm free

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  Friendship With Nonbelievers!
Posted by: d_truth_seeker - 09-13-2004, 07:02 AM - Forum: Islam - Replies (7)





assalamo alaykum brothers and sisters. i want to seek some opinion from you. If possible, your opinion must be based from an Islamic point of view.




I had a friend. We were very close before in fact sometimes she sleeps at my house for a week or two. Her father died when she was still 2 years old and her mother married another guy and she has 5 kids with her 2nd husband. I took pity on my friend after she was jilted by her boyfriend because at that time she was also having another affair with another guy. Her boyfriend took everything that he gave her including her mobile phone. So during those times I was her shoulder to lean on. And then later on the other guy jilted her again because she had another affair with another man. During those times that she was financially down i provided her with her needs and helped her with the best that i can, money, food, clothes... She owed me money for quite a sum which until now she had not paid yet. She is also indebted to my other friends and I was even a guarantor to one of her debts. She uses my mobile phone just to call her boyfriend without my permission. And her calls were sometimes from a mobile phone to a land line phone. I then discovered that she was a big liar and I thought she too was a master story teller. So I was fed up and called it quits. It's been more than 5 months since we last talked but I treat her civilly. I felt I was abused.




Is it okay if I dont talk to her anymore considering that she is a nonbeliever in Islam and I am a practising muslim?



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