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  When Scientists Read The Qur'an......
Posted by: lifutushi - 08-30-2004, 01:18 PM - Forum: General - Replies (2)


What these scientists have to say about Al-Qur’an?


<b>Professor Keith Moore</b>, one of the world’s prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology.  University of Toronto, Canada


“It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from Allah, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah.”


<b>Professor Siaveda</b>, He is also one of the most famous scientists in the world.


”I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true,”


<b>Professor William W. Hay</b> is one of the best known marine scientists in the United States. Satellite photography and emote-sensing techniques. Professor Hay replied:


“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient  scripture of the Holy Qur’aan, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages. Professor Hay: Well, I would think it must be the divine being!”


<b>Professor Yushudi Kusan</b>: Director of the Tokyo Observatory,


”I can say, I am very mush impressed by finding true astronomical facts in the Qur’aan.”


<b>Professor Alfred Kroner</b> who is one of the world’s most famous geologists


"Thinking about many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a bedouin. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case.”


<b>Dr. T.V.N. Persaud</b> is a Professor of Anatomy and Head of the Department of Anatomy, and a professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.He is the author or editor of 25 books, and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada.


"It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read or write. In fact, he was illiterate. We are talking about 1400 years ago. You have someone who was illiterate making profound pronouncement and statements and are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. I personally cannot see how this could be mere chance. There are too many accuracy’s and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind in concerning that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements."


<b>Joe Leigh Simpson</b>, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the North Western University in Chicago in the United States of America. Professor Simpson said:


“It follows, I think, that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion, but in fact religion can guide science by adding revelation to some traditional scientific approaches. That there exists statements in the Qur’aan shown by science to be valid, which supports knowledge in the Qur’aan having been derived from Allah.”


<b>Professor Palmer</b> a scientist from the U.S.


”We need research into the history of early Middle Eastern oral traditions to know whether in  fact such historical events have been reported. If there is no such record, it strengthens the belief that Allah transmitted through Muhammad bits of his knowledge that we have only discovered for ourselves in recent times. We look forward to a continuing dialogue on the topic of science in the Qur’aan in the context of geology. Thank you very much.”


<b> Tagata Tagasone</b>, formerly Head of the Department of Anatomy and Embryology at the University of Shiang Mai in Thailand. He is now the Dean of the College of the Medicine at the University.   


“From my studies and from what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur’aan 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the One Who is an eligible Creator. This Creator must be Allah, or Allah. Therefore, I think this is the time to say ‘Laa ilaaha illallah’, that there is no Allah to worship except Allah, ‘Muhammad Rasool Allah’, Muhammad is messenger of Allah...”


<b>Professor Armstrong</b>, Scientist works at NASA,


“I am impressed that how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. There may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen.”


<b>Professor Dorja Rao, </b>“It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but do describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So, this is definitely not a simple human knowledge.”


<b>Ali Selman Benoist</b>, France, Doctor of Medicine.


"The essential and definite element of my conversion to Islam was the Qur'an. I began to study it before my conversion with the critical spirit of a Western intellectual .... There are certain verses of this book, the Qur'an, revealed more than thirteen centuries ago, which teach exactly the same notions as the most modern scientific researches do. This definitely converted me."

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  The Obvious Existence Of God
Posted by: lifutushi - 08-27-2004, 09:34 AM - Forum: General - Replies (49)


Pondering on the Signs of God


HARUN YAHYA


In the Qur'an, it is stated that the unbeliever is one who neither recognizes nor appreciates the signs of God. The distinguishing mark of a believer is his ability to see those signs and proofs. He knows that these are not created in vain, and can realize the power and great art of God everywhere and find ways to revere Him. He is one of those men of sense, who "celebrate the praises of God, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (and say): 'Our Lord! not for naught have You created (all) this! Glory be to You! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.' " (Surat Al'Imran 3:191)


At various points in the Qur'an, expressions like, "will you not take heed?", "...there is a sign for thinking men," lay stress on the importance of pondering upon the signs of God. God has created an endless list of subjects for reflection. Everything we see and sense in the heavens and on the earth and in between is indeed a manifestation of God's creativity and, as such should be food for thought. One of the verses gives the example of these divine blessing of God:


"With it He produces for you corn, olives, date palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily, in this is a sign for those who give thought." (Surat an-Nahl, 16:11)


Let us think for a moment of one of the above mentioned items: the date palm. The tree, as is well known, grows up from a seed out of the earth. From this tiny seed (a seed is not even 1 cubic centimetre in size), arises an enormous wooden mass of 4-5 metres long and hundreds of kilograms in weight. The only thing that the seed can use while constituting this great mass is the earth in which it is buried.


How can a seed know how to form a tree? How can it "reason" to decompose the necessary substances in the soil to create wood? How can it predict the required shape and structure? This last question is especially important, because it is not an ordinary wooden piece that emerges from the seed. It is a complex living organism with roots for assimilating substances from the earth, with veins and with branches that are perfectly organized. A human being has difficulty in drawing even a picture of a tree, while on the contrary a simple seed can produce such an extremely complex object by merely using the substances in the soil.


This observation concludes that a seed is extremely intelligent and wise, even more so than we are. Or to be more precise, there is an amazing intelligence in what a seed does. But what is the source of that intelligence? How can it be possible for a seed to have such intelligence and memory?


No doubt, this question has a single answer: the seed is created by being endowed with the ability to form a tree, that is, it is programmed so in advance. Every seed on earth is encompassed by God and grows within His knowledge. In one of the verses it is stated:


"With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knows but He. He knows whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf falls but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear." (Surat al-An'am, 6:59)


It is God who creates the seed and causes it to spring forth as a new plant. In another verse it is said:


"It is God Who causes the seed-grain and the date-stone to split and sprout. He causes the living to issue from the dead, and He is the one to cause the dead to issue from the living. That is God: then how are you deluded away from the truth?" (Surat al-An'am, 6:95)


The seed is merely one of the numerous signs that God has created in the universe. If men begin to think not only with their minds but also with their hearts, and ask of themselves, the questions "why" and "how", they will be able to understand that entire universe is the proof of the existence and power of God.

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  The Obvious Existence Of God
Posted by: lifutushi - 08-27-2004, 09:33 AM - Forum: General - No Replies


The Obvious Existence of God


HARUN YAHYA


From the moment man opens his eyes to this world a great order surrounds him. He needs oxygen to survive. It is interesting that the atmosphere of the planet on which he lives provides more than just the adequate amount of oxygen he needs. This way, he breathes without difficulty. For the existence of life on this planet, the existence of a source of heat is essential. In response to this need, the sun is located just at the right distance to emit just the exact amount of heat and energy man needs. Man needs nourishment to survive. Every corner of the world abounds in astonishingly diversified provisions. Likewise, man needs water. Surprisingly, three-fourths of the planet is covered with water. Man needs shelter, and in this world, there is land on which it is suitable to build and all sorts of materials to make shelters.


These are only a few among billions of details making life possible on earth. In brief, man lives on a planet perfectly designed for his survival. This is certainly a planet "created for human beings".


A person's interpretation of the world rests on "acquired methods of thought." That is, he thinks in the way he has been taught, or, less kindly, the way in which he is indoctrinated. Under this misguidance, he often dismisses all the aforementioned as "trivial realities." However, if he does not side-step the matter, and start questioning the conditions making our existence possible, he will surely step out of the boundaries of habitual thinking and start to think:


How does the atmosphere serve as a protective ceiling for the earth?


How does each one of the billions of cells in the human body know and perform its individual tasks?


How does this extraordinary ecological balance exist on earth?


A person seeking answers to these questions surely proceeds on the right path. He does not remain insensitive to things happening around him, and doesn't plead ignorance about the extraordinary nature of the world. A person who asks questions, who reflects on and gives answers to these questions will realize that on every inch of the planet, a plan and an order reigns:


How did the flawless order in the whole universe come into being?


Who provided the delicate balances in the world?


How did living beings, incredibly diversified in nature, emerge?


Keeping oneself occupied with relentless research to answer these questions results in a clear awareness that everything in the universe, its order, each living being and structure is a component of a plan, a product of design. Every detail, the excellent structure of an insect's wing, the system enabling a tree to carry tons of water to its topmost branches, the order of planets, and the ratio of gases in the atmosphere, are all unique examples of perfection.


In every detail of the infinitely varied world, man finds his Creator. God, the owner of everything in the whole universe, introduces Himself to man through the flawless design of His creation. Everything surrounding us, the birds in flight, our beating hearts, the birth of a child or the existence of the sun in the sky, manifest the power of God and His creation. And what man must do is to understand this fact.


These purposes owe their existence to the fact that everything has been created. An intelligent person notices that plan, design and wisdom exist in every detail of the infinitely varied world. This draws him to recognition of the Creator.


So you never plead ignorance that all living beings, living or non-living, show the existence and greatness of God. Look at things around you and strive to show appreciation in the best manner for the eternal greatness of God.


The existence of God is OBVIOUS. Ignoring it would only be the beginning of the greatest damage we could ever do to ourselves. That is simply because God is in no need of anything. He is the One Who shows His greatness in all things and in all ways. God is the owner of everything, from the heavens to the earth. We learn the attributes of God from the Qur'an:


God! There is no god but Him, the Living, the Self-Sustaining. He is not subject to drowsiness or sleep. Everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. Who can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them but they cannot grasp any of His knowledge save what He wills. His Footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth and their preservation does not tire Him. He is the Most High, the Magnificent. (Surat al-Baqarah: 255)

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  Conventional Wisdom Or Conventional Ignorance?
Posted by: Ibn_Kumuna35 - 08-26-2004, 04:51 PM - Forum: General - Replies (15)


Salaam Alaikum!


Recently, I encountered a site by none other than the self-appointed Islamic "expert" Robert Spencer that directs it's attention at "Jihad" and those "Jihadi's." In a terse discussion on the Sharia and Law--I responded to a member who made the unsubstantiated claim that Muhammad (saw) 'invented' (his choice of wording) Allah. Another fellow member of the site felt the urge to respond to my repudiation. In such an attempt, he had to open some new bags of tricks by labeling me a Pakistani/Indian and a thirty-five-year-old Muslim--never mind that I claimed to be neither “Pakistani/Indian" nor thirty-five. Please notice how our "son of Moses" (his ID) drifted from the discussion. I guess this is indeed "conventional wisdom."


To view this dialogue please go here:


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/002935.php


[My claim is that Allah (swt) is NOT an invention of Muhammad (saw). But I guess to some such is hard to believe even when the evidence smacks one square in the face]


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Ibn_Kumuna:


I believe such was a sign of moral bankruptcy and panic–which completely sickens me. One hopes that 'true' Muslims will come to the fore to repudiate such pernicious prattle.


Djinn'nSquirt made this statement:


Since Allah (created within the demented mind of Mohammed) apparently has no penchant for forgiveness, would they find themselves burning in Hell for eternity?


Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement.


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SonofMoses:


ibn_kumuna35 said: Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


What's so difficult to believe about this??


There are plenty of people who have mental illness who believe they are in communication with God. The koran, as its written, is completely jumbled with no coherency in it. In fact many things prove it wasn't written by God.


Want proof? Here it is....


The Koran says one day of allah's time is like 1,000 years of a man's time


Qur'an22 :47


"And they will bid thee hasten on the Doom," - they are growing impatient Judgement day was meant to be soon.


"and Allah faileth not His promise" - don't worry God will keep His word.


"but lo! a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon." - what seems a long time to you is very short to God.


Now lets look at this logically and scientifically, which is supposedly what the koran is full of, logic and science. According to the koran, allah is perfect and all powerful, and the koran is his word. We also we learn from the koran that a day in allah's life is like a thousand years of a man's life.


According to islamic history the koran was revealed to mohammed over a 23 year period. If we do the math, 1 day of allah's time = 365,000 days of man's time. If we then use this ratio of 1:365,000 to see how long the koran took in allahs time to dictate, this would be 23 years or 8,395 days of man, and when we convert it to allahs time we divide the 8,395 by 365,000. This would leave us with 0.023 of a day of allah's time. This gives us the time in minutes which is 33,12.


In other words, while it took mohammed 23 years of his life to receive the koran, it only took allah 33 minutes of his time to dicate it. Now here is the problem. This supposedly "all powerful perfect being" kept changing his mind repeatedly because the tradition of the koran is that sometimes allah cancels one verse in favor of a better one. How can it be possible that a perfect being repeatedly changes his mind over the period of just 33 minutes???


Either allah is far from perfect, or mohammed was delusional, or both. You decide......


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DCWatson:


Since when does strapping a bomb to one's worthless carcass and blowing up innocent babies make one a martyr? Only the constant irrational thought process of barbarians would keep this type of ideal.


Oh Muslims, America and her allies are on the move. Soon freedom will be embraced by you, or you'll be surrounded by it and shunned for being too ignorant to live normal lives.


Muslim crazies thought we'd tuck tail and run......We're running alright, straight on to the path of worldwide freedom, free of non-bathing, toothless, illiterate Islamist racists.


We're on the move.....


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Ibn_Kumuna:


To Son of Moses


All you've been able to achieve in the two latest posts was to place anecdotes upon anecdotes.


Let me reinvent the wheel for the sake of convenience: Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


Again, there "is" no evidence that Muhammad invented Allah. What you could have done was provide me with rock inscriptional evidence or pre-Islamic Christian inscriptional phraseology to counter-punch me. Providing me with Quranic verses does not deal with a stint of what I raised. You wasted a lot of electronic space evading my assertion to Djinn'nSquirt by stuffing the house with Quranic verses.


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Ibn_Kumuna:


DCWatson says, "Since when does strapping a bomb to one's worthless carcass and blowing up innocent babies make one a martyr? Only the constant irrational thought process of barbarians would keep this type of ideal."


To respond to your question, there is never a point when a martyr is tantamount with a suicide bomber no matter what side of the prism one glances. Indeed, only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life without a shred of empathy.


DCWatson says further, "Muslim crazies thought we'd tuck tail and run......We're running alright, straight on to the path of worldwide freedom, free of non-bathing, toothless, illiterate Islamist racists."


Oh come now. You were on the right track with the assertion above. However, there's no need to slip into abyss of obliviation with the last comment. No need to speak with relentless rage.


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SonofMoses:


ibn_kumuna35: You said:


"All you've been able to achieve in the two latest posts was to place anecdotes upon anecdotes."


What are you talking about man? There is nothing anecdotal about what I said. If Allah is a perfect being then he would not need to correct himself repeatedly in the space of 33 minutes. That is a contradiction of your god's characteristics. I presented a contradiction of fact, not an anecdote.


An anecdote is a short story, what I presented was the nature of what's written in the koran. If my repeating information thats contained in the koran is viewed by you as a short story, then you apparently must agree with me that the koran is fiction made up by mohammed.


Even if one were to be intellectually lazy enough to believe that Muhammad 'invented' Allah, it seems almost hilarious one would believe such, Djinn'nSquirt, with the mine of evidence working against such a statement


Interesting choice of words. How is it intellectually lazy to use one's brain and analyze information to arrive at a conclusion? Its a lot easier to simply memorize the koran and repeat it like a robot. In fact islam discourages free thought, so it sounds like you are projecting your state of mind on me.


Again, there "is" no evidence that Muhammad invented Allah.


That I actually agree with you on. Mohammed didnt actually invent allah. Allah was actually a pagan god that the arabs prayed to. I should have said mohammed invented his communications with allah. Wait, that might also be inaccurate as maybe he was in touch with a satanic figure who talked with him.


Indeed, only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life without a shred of empathy.


Spoken like a true muslim [Image: smile.gif] A Christian or Jew would have said. "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life". FULL STOP. Its interesting how you didnt have an issue with the taking of an innocent's life, just with the lack of empathy while undertaking the murder of an innocent.


Congratulations you passed the test. You are a good muslim!


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Ibn_kumuna:


SonofMoses states:


"What are you talking about man? There is nothing anecdotal about what I said. If Allah is a perfect being then he would not need to correct himself repeatedly in the space of 33 minutes. That is a contradiction of your god's characteristics. I presented a contradiction of fact, not an anecdote"


For the sake of brevity, I will only say that this is aberrant to where I was going.


SonofMoses states further:


"Interesting choice of words. How is it intellectually lazy to use one's brain and analyze information to arrive at a conclusion? It’s a lot easier to simply memorize the koran and repeat it like a robot. In fact islam discourages free thought, so it sounds like you are projecting your state of mind on me."


Again, brevity hinders me from going through the motions of a point-to-point response. However, with that said, it would be mechanical repetition to read the Quran, or any book for that matter, for the sheer sake of reading it. And as for the last statement, I have yet to put forth my state of mind.


SonofMoses:


"That I actually agree with you on. Mohammed didnt actually invent allah. Allah was actually a pagan god that the arabs prayed to. I should have said mohammed invented his communications with allah. Wait, that might also be inaccurate as maybe he was in touch with a satanic figure who talked with him."


That sounds like Christian polemics.


SonofMoses:


"Spoken like a true muslim [Image: smile.gif] A Christian or Jew would have said. "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life". FULL STOP. Its interesting how you didnt have an issue with the taking of an innocent's life, just with the lack of empathy while undertaking the murder of an innocent."


Had a Christian or Jew said, "Only a morally bereft fanatic could take an innocent life,” I would have agreed with him/her completely. I'm not sure if you're meticulously picking on that statement alone or if you completely misunderstood what I had said,I certainly did not intend to sanction the killing of innocence by dressing it in a sugary coat of conciliatory wording.


Moreover, what is more interesting is the assumption I'm Muslim. Of course I do not deny that I am Muslim, but the assumption tickles me in the most intriguing way.


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SonofMoses:


Moreover, what is more interesting is the assumption I'm Muslim. Of course I do not deny that I am Muslim, but the assumption tickles me in the most intriguing way.


How do I know you are a muslim? Well its very simple.


1. In response to factual points, you are unable to address them. You instead respond with some nonsensical statement that never actually addresses my points, but waffles on and makes no sense whatsover. This allows you to respond, but really say nothing at all except to try and degrade what I said without actually providing a foundation.


2. You use the muslim name ibn_kumuna35


Ibn means "son of" in arabic. Son of Kumuna. I guess 35 is probably your age. And most likely you are an Indian or Pakistani because of your way of speaking. I would guess you are most likely an Indian muslim because Indian muslims tend to be more civil and less hostile than Pakistani muslims are.


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Ibn_Kumuna:


SonofMoses:


"In response to factual points, you are unable to address them. You instead respond with some nonsensical statement that never actually addresses my points, but waffles on and makes no sense whatsover. This allows you to respond, but really say nothing at all except to try and degrade what I said without actually providing a foundation."


Sarcastically speaking, I guess you won! Indeed, you sunk my battleship.


SonofMoses:


"Ibn means "son of" in arabic. Son of Kumuna. I guess 35 is probably your age. And most likely you are an Indian or Pakistani because of your way of speaking. I would guess you are most likely an Indian muslim because Indian muslims tend to be more civil and less hostile than Pakistani muslims are. "


This one had me rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter. Not only am I NOT Pakistani or Indian but I'm not 35. This just demonstrates the stupidity--nay insularity-- that is prevalent in the internet. I guess you'll just label it "conventional wisdom," right?


[P.S. Ibn Kumuna was a Medieval Baghdadi Jewish Philosopher]


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Ah-conventional "ignorance" indeed!


--Ibn

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  One American's View.
Posted by: Megadeth - 08-25-2004, 06:14 PM - Forum: General - Replies (44)


So I turn on the tv last night and there's this documentary on 3 seperate children growing up in Palestine. A really day to day inside look that you can't get on the news. It was the next best thing to actually visiting there in person.


I found myself feeling much like I did before 9/11. I really felt for these people. I really hurt for the children and their families. As I watched their homes get torn down, family members killed, friends killed, raids in the middle of the night, and often poor living conditions I easily understood how these people could feel so angry. When an Israeli tank shot one of the people on the film crew who was waving a white flag to say they were just journalist I realized how trigger happy these Israeli's were and the pain these people are going through. As an American, who like many other's, isn't a supporter of all Israel and a lot of what they do I was wondering why can't these people just be left alone to live in peace?


Then there was the part where the militants were using the boy to help them kill other people. I watched as they celebrated a child dying and told a dead boys sister that it was wrong to cry at his funeral. The militant said he "loved Ahmed like a brother". Then he stated that "there were millions more like Ahmed". This made me wonder do these people really love this child? Are they fighting for him or using him for what they are fighting for?


After watching this I understood the Palestinian point of view. Unfortunately they think that using their children as militia and killing innocent people to reach their goal is the best way to reach their goal. They want to kill me and my family. Why should I care if they are dying? But I do because I'm a Christian and can't help it. I hate seeing their children dye and I hate seeing them lose their family members. I wish I could support them in their fight, but they won't let me.

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  Let's Get Back To Islam
Posted by: NaSra - 08-24-2004, 11:54 PM - Forum: Islam and kids - Replies (22)


By: Masood


Lets get back to Islam, before the sun goes down,


We never know when we'll be under the mound.


"I'll pray when I get older," That's what they say,


But we might not have even one more day!


Lets get back to Islam, before its too late,


"Aw man, can't I just delay it for another date?"


Times running out, our lives are almost done,


"But brother, I'm too busy having fun."


Lets get back to Islam, Jahannam aint funny,


"Come on man, I'm to busy making money!"


The Quran sits on our shelves and there it picks up dust,


The longer we stay away from it, the more our hearts pick up rust.


Lets get back to Islam, before our lives our gone,


"Not right now, I'm too busy, can't you see I have the TV on!"


There's no time to waste, lets start it now,


come on, for Allah can't you even bow?


Lets get back to Islam, this aint just a song,


"But brother, a few minutes in prayer, that's too long!"


"I'll go on hajj when I'm around fifty-five,"


Come on man, by then will you even be alive?


Lets get back to Islam, lets not waist another day,


"Aw Masood, leave me alone, I just wanna play."


Lets turn back to Allah before we turn to dust,


There's no delaying, bro this is a must!


Lets get back to Islam, for reals, not just with our lips,


Oh Allah make us sincere, so we don't feel Jahannam's whips.


"I think I'll get pious when my hair turns gray."


Come on man, don't wait, we may die any day.


Lets get back to Islam, this aint just another rap,


Its a race to Jennah, and Islam's the only map.

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  Tears Of Finding The Truth,
Posted by: NaSra - 08-24-2004, 09:35 PM - Forum: General - Replies (31)


Asalamalaykum


The following story occurred on the Internet through one of the chat programs (Freetel) in January 1999. It is a real dialogue between a Christian and a Muslim. The story centers on Derek's realization of today's Christianity and his subsequent conversion to lslam. This Christian-Muslim dialogue has been edited for readability and for the clarity of its message.


ABDULLAH: Hello there! How are you man?


DEREK: Hello! Well, how are you?


ABDULLAH: I'm fine and you?


DEREK: I'm fine thanks.


ABDULLAH: Where are you from?


DEREK: I'm from L.A. (Los Angeles).


ABDULLAH: The land of Hollywood!


DEREK: Well that's right. Have you ever been to L.A.?


ABDULLAH: No, never. Why are you calling yourself the Black Magic?


DEREK: It's just a nickname, man!


ABDULLAH: I see.


DEREK: Where are you from? Are you an Arab?


ABDULLAH: Yes, I am from Saudi Arabia but I'm in Qatar now. What is your name?


DEREK: My name is Derek. What's your name?


ABDULLAH: My name is Abdullah.


DEREK: What does Abdullah mean?


ABDULLAH: Abdullah means the servant of Allah and it is the function of each individual on the face of the earth to serve llah according to what Allah wants from us. By the way, Allah is the proper name of God.


DEREK: How do we know what God or Allah wants from us?


ABDULLAH: All of this is outlined in the Qur'an and the Sunnah (Ways of Prophet Muhammad; his sayings, actions and aprovals). These are the two major sources of guidance in lslam. Could you please tell me more about yourself? How ol are you?


DEREK: I am 19 years old, black and very uch interested in knowing more about lslam. First of all, what should a person do or believe in to become a Muslim?


ABDULLAH: Very easy, you just say that there is no god worthy of worshi but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger, and you become Muslim,


DEREK: You mean Muhammad is his apostle? But a a Christian or non-Muslim, this sentence is not enough to make it clear to me.


ABDULLAH: Ok Allah sent Muhammad a His last Prophet and Messenger and revealed the Qur'an to him as the final revelation to mankind. Allah said that He perected His religion and called it lslam (see Qur'an 5:3). Islam means peaceful submission to the Will of Allah.


DEREK: I see.


ABDULLAH: Yes, and unfortunately most Christians don't know or they deny that the coming of Prophet Muhammad is foretold in their scriptures (See Deuternomy 18:18; 21: 21; Psalms 1 18:22-23; Isiah 42:1-13; Habakuk 3:3-4; Matthew 21:42-43; John 14:12-17,15:26,27; 1:5-16). Muslim theologians have stated that the person who is described by Jesus to come after him (in the above verses) is Mhammed (peace be upon him).


DEREK: OK Fine, but why was there a need for another prophet after Jesus and another revelation after the Bible?


ABDULLAH: All of the Prophets came to teach their peoples the Oneness of God. In the case of Jesus, he was only sent as a Messenger to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (see Matt. 15:24). What happened was that all of these prophets were not well received by the majority of the people. For instance, they started tampering with the teachings of Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them (see Qur'an 2:79). That is why Allah sent Muhammad with the last Message, (i.e., the Qur'an), to bring all of mankind back to the belief in and worship of One God, without partners or intermediaries.


DEREK: Is the Qur'an similar to the Bible? I mean, what is it composed of?


ABDULLAH: The Qur'an came as the last code emphasizing the same pure monotheistic teachings of Jesus peace be upon him, defending all the previous pure teachings of monotheistic beliefs and clarifying who Jesus was and who his mother was, showing that they were no more than great people.


DEREK: OK then, how-can we be sure that the Qur'an has remained the same since the time of Prophet Muhammad?


ABDULLAH: Allah Himself has guaranteed that He would guard the Qur'an from corruption (see Qur'an 15:9). Hence, the real and pure words of Allah are found in the Qur'an, which was revealed in Arabic, the language of Mohammed's people. Since then, not an iota has changed. This is unlike what has happened in the other religions. For example, if you look at the Bible, you find a lot of versions; the name Bible itself is indicative of those changes because Bible means a collection of books from different writers.


DEREK: But didn't God call it the Bible?


ABDULLAH: God calls the Scripture revealed to Jesus "Injeel" in the Qur'an for which the closest name in the Bible would be the word Gospel. The Bible was written may years after the time of Jesus in a language that was alien to Jesus; it was Latin Vulgate, a language that he never spoke. Isn't this strange? Interestingly, most of what was written in the New Testament was authored by Paul, who, according to James, the brother of Jesus in the Bible, had a polluted mind because he changed and contradicted most of the teachings of Jesus.


DEREK: I think you know more about Christianity than the Pope does.


ABDULLAH: You are wrong by saying that I know more than the Pope. I have simply investigated the Bible with an inquiring mind, which is something that all Christians should do.


DEREK: Is there any English version of the Holy Qur'an?


ABDULLAH: There are many translations of the meanings of the Qur'an.


The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic which means that the words of Allah are in Arabic. The translations are the words of human beings relating to the meanings of the Qur'an to the non-Arabic speaking masses.


DEREK: How does the Qur'an define God to mankind or how does the Muslim perceive God?


ABDULLAH: GOD is the One and Only True GOD, and the Creator of all. He does not beget nor is He begotten. He is unlike His creation in every respect. He is the All-knowing, The Powerful, The Merciful, The Irresistible, and The King of kings.


DEREK: But it is somehow difficult for me to perceive God as being the same as His creatures.


ABDULLAH: You are absolutely right to have difficulty perceiving this because human beings have a limited capacity. This is why Allah sent revelations to His Prophets and Messengers to tell us who He is. So if you want to know who God is, just read the Qur'an.


DEREK: Christians believe that Jesus was sent for the salvation of all mankind. If this is not true, then the foundation of Christianity is faulty. Right? What do you think?


ABDULLAH: That's correct. The Christians of today are following what Paul taught and also tend to follow what the priests tell them to do instead of following what Jesus said.


DEREK: Kindly explain the concept of salvation through the crucifixion of Jesus.


ABDULLAH: In Christianity, the Doctrine of Original Sin is the reason that there is a need for salvation through Jesus' crucifixion. However, this doctrine was invented by Paul and it is strongly negated in the Old Testament (see Ezekial 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30, Deut. 24:16). This doctrine is an attempt to escape the responsibility of righteousness with the belief that punishment is given to someone else to release us from our burden of sins (see Ephesians 1:7, Romans 4:25, 10:9, Corinthians 15:21) In the Qur'an, every soul is responsible for its own deeds, good or bad (see 74:38,41:46, 3:25, 6:154).


DEREK: What about the crucifixion itself?


ABDULLAH: The Bible says Jesus cried out in a loud voice beseeching God for help on the cross: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46) Does that sound like Jesus to you?


DEREK: No, then what about Jesus' appearance to his disciples after the crucifixion?


ABDULLAH: Jesus didn't die on the cross nor was he resurrected. If he were resurrected, then he would have come to his disciples in a spiritual body. As shown in Luke 24:36-43, he met them with his physical body after the event of his alleged crucifixion. In the Qur'an, it says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was someone else who was made to look like him (see 4:157,158).


DEREK: How did the story of the crucifixion of Jesus get into the Bible then?


ABDULLAH: Once again, Paul was responsible (see Timothy 2:8 and Romans 5:10).


DEREK: Well, I, very deep in my heart, believe that God can never look like his creation nor does he do what they do. What I believe is that God is the perfect one who is very much different from everything we see or touch. In other words, I think the writer can never look like his book.


ABDULLAH: You are right. There is nothing comparable to Allah (see Qur'an 112:4). The prophets came with a very clear message to worship God alone, without any partners or intercessors.


However, Paul took pagan beliefs and practices from the Romans and mixed them with the teachings of Jesus. Consequently, Paul was mostly responsible for elevating Jesus to the status of Son of God (see Acts 9:20) and God.


DEREK: Yes. Now I remember. The first Commandment is, " Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord."


ABDULLAH: You're right. That's in Mark 12:29. Moreover, the Qur'an confirms that God is One: "Say He is Allah, the One and Only (God)." (Qur'an 112:1)


DEREK: What you are saying makes perfect sense. This is just incredible! You mean that for almost 2000 years what the Christians have been following is wrong?


ABDULLAH: Yes, especially their misunderstanding of who Jesus was.


DEREK: Oh my God! I've been deceived! Really, I feel religiously raped. I have been fooled simply because I followed blindly the religion that I was born with and didn't take care to investigate it thoroughly. But still inside me there is something holding me back from accepting lslam, even though lslam is clearly the True Religion.


ABDULLAH: Your last comment shows that you are a Muslim not a Christian and if you really love God and His Messenger Jesus, you will follow lslam and Prophet Muhammad. Break this barrier inside you and come back to the way of your ancestors. You are now free because you are looking for the Truth and our great prophet Jesus told us that we should look for the Truth and the Truth will set us free. So, you will be a free man as soon as you accept It. Be strong enough to accept lslam as the Truth, without any hesitation on your part and you will taste real freedom and real happiness that you have never tasted before.


DEREK: Frankly, I am concerned about the negative way lslam and Muslims are shown in the media. In the West, there is a stigma attached to being a Muslim and I'm not sure I'm ready to live with that stigma.


ABDULLAH: This is why I have chosen to tell people about the right picture of lslam.


DEREK: Then, what is the right picture of lslam?


ABDULLAH: The right picture of lslam is conveyed in the Qur’an, which is exemplified by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The reality is that it is not fair to judge a religion by the actions of its followers alone because there are good and bad followers in every religion. The correct thing to do is to judge a religion by its documented revelation from God and the prophet who brought that revelation.


DEREK: I see. I agree with you, but I'm still concerned about the reaction of my family and friends if they know that I am a Muslim.


ABDULLAH: On Judgement Day, no one will be able to help you, not even your father, mother or any of your friends (see Qur'an 31:33). So, if you believe that lslam is the True religion, you should embrace it and live your life to please the One Who created you. Be an illuminating torch for them. Do not delay your coming to lslam. If you die before becoming a Muslim, then it's too late (see Qur'an 2:132, 3:102, 3:85). So grab this opportunity now. You can only remedy this pain inside you by becoming a Muslim and being able in the future, God willing, to come and perform pilgrimage (Hajj).


DEREK: You are very wise man, I want to say that when I sometimes see on the satellite, especially in the season of Hajj, people of different colors and different races sitting side by side and praying to God, I feel pain deep inside my heart and I feel something urging me to talk with someone to know more about that great religion that can gather all the races in the same place. Thanks to you, I have found that person. So please help me become a Muslim!


ABDULLAH: Brother let us take it step by step. First, enter lslam by saying: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah. AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER. Let us say this again, I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGERS. I BEAR WITNESS THAT JESUS IS HIS PROPHET AND MESSENGER.


DEREK: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT Allah. I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS SERVANT AND LAST MESSENGER. I BEAR WITNESS THAT EISA IS HIS SERVANT AND MESSENGER.


ABDULLAH: By the way, Jesus' name is not Jesus. It is a latinized name. His real name is Eisa. Now you will say the same thing in Arabic, the language of the Qur'an. I will transliterate for you. ASH'HADU AN LA'ILAHA ILLA Allah WAASH'HADU ANNA MUHAMMMADAN RASOOLULLAH WA ASH'HADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAHI WA RASOOLUHU.


DEREK: ASHADU AN LA ILAHA ILLALLAH WA ASHADU ANNA MUHAMMADAN RASULULLAH WA ASHADU ANNA EISA ABDULLAH1 WA RASOOLUHU.


ABDULLAH: Brother, say Allah is the greatest because you are a Muslim now. You are not a Christian anymore. Your are in the House of lslam. If I were with you, I would hug you as my brother in lslam. How do you feel now? A burden has been removed from you and you feel like you are so light, isn't this right?


DEREK: If you were with me now, you would have seen my tears reaching my neck. You are a great brother. I feel that I have just come to life, This is exactly how I feel from now. I don't have to listen the silly words of the priests in the church, who knowingly or unknowingly lead people astray. I hope to be a good servant of Allah.


ABDULLAH: You know what came out of you was disbelief and it was replaced by belief. You are so clean now, because when someone embraces Islam sincerely, Allah forgives all of his past sins. So, go to the Islamic center that has Muslims from all over the world and announce your lslam there, and continue to learn more about lslam from them. In addition, find a book on prayer in lslam and practice it. This is essential. Now after you are through with me, you must take a shower to purify yourself from previous wrong beliefs. Remember to stay away from bad company and be with righteous Muslim people. Also, beware of those so-called Muslims who call to nationalistic ideas or racial thoughts, which are rejected in lslam. I love you as a brother in lslam and I hope one day I will see you and hear your voice.


DEREK: I will for sure do what you have asked. And tomorrow I will go to the Islamic center. Thank you for showing me the Truth. I will do my best to meet people who know about lslam for sure. May God help you guide more and more people to the true word of God. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Apostle... Well it is as difficult for me as it is for you to leave you.


ABDULLAH: Well brother, you will not leave me for a long time. I will soon be with you through my supplications. God willing. Pray for me, brother.


DEREK: Well, I thank you, I love you although I do not know you yet. But it is enough for me to remember that one day, a very dear man has picked me up from the mud of life. Please teach me another Islamic word in Arabic so as to make use of it in the Islamic center.


ABDULLAH: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and Astaghfirullah.


DEREK: What do they mean?


ABDULLAH: May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you. This is used as a greeting to all Muslims. The last word means, Allah forgive me. Well, I have to leave you now but be sure it will not be for long.


DEREK: Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu and Astaghfirullah for being astray from the Truth all those years. May God bless you. You have occupied a great place in my heart and I will never forget you. Bye and talk to you later. Your brother in lslam, Derek, but I will call myself Eisa from now on.


ABDULLAH: OK Eisa. I will leave you some final words of inspiration. Certainly, the ultimate goal of every individual is to be in Paradise forever. This reward of Paradise is too great to not have a price. That price is true faith, which is proven obedience to Allah and following the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). THIS IS THE ROAD TO PARADISE. Let's stay in touch! Assalamu Alaikum!


DEREK: O.K. Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu.

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