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  My suggestions to the mods and admin
Posted by: Al-fateh - 04-08-2007, 04:07 PM - Forum: Feedback and suggestions - Replies (6)


i am sorry to say that this feels like a site where Islam vs Christianity vs Judiasm is very present...


the reason is simple, the Non-Muslim guests section........i saw nothing but rubbish in that section of the forum.


you give a dog a bone, he will more likely bit on it...take it away from him, it will simply heed and backdown.


why have a section like this??? i see nothing but anger coming from it, and a pleasure of mockery for those non-muslims


if u wanna keep that section, go ahead, but dont waste ur time and waste ur anger on such things....treat them in the same maner they treat u


it reverse phsycology....it works


give them what they want, they will soon leave


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English Yusuf Ali: [4:51]


Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were given a portion of the Book? they believe in sorcery and Evil, and say to the Unbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way Than the believers!

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  Ibnul Qayim (Rahimahullahu)
Posted by: abdulwalee - 04-08-2007, 02:52 PM - Forum: "And remind for reminding benefit the believers - No Replies



<b>“It is not imagined that one can have noble character except if it is founded upon four pillars:</b>



The First: Sabr (Patience)


The Second: Iffah (Chastity)


The Third: Shujaa'ah (Courage)


The Fourth: Adl (Justice)


Patience, inspires him to be tolerant, control his anger, endure the harms that he receives from others, to be forbearing and deliberate in his decisions. It motivates him to be gentle and not to be rash or hasty.


Chastity, inspires him to avoid every imprudent characteristic, whether in statement or action, and encourages him to have a sense of modesty and integrity which is the epitome of all good. It prevents him from fornication, stinginess, lying, backbiting and spreading tales to cause separation and discord between the people.


Courage, inspires him to have a sense of self esteem, to emphasize high and noble manners and to make it apart of his natural disposition. It also encourages him to exert himself and to be generous, which is in essence, true courage and it leads to strong will and self determination. It encourages him to distance himself from his ardent lowly desires, to control his anger, and to be forbearing because by such, he can control his temper, take it by the reins and curb his violent and destructive behavior just as the Messenger (Sallalahu alaihi wa salam) said


ليس الشديد با لصرعة وإنما الشديد الذي يملك نفسه عند الغضب.


“The Strong is not the one who can wrestle his opponent to the ground but rather the strong is the one who can control himself when he gets angry.”


This is true genuine courage and it is the sole trait that the slave utilizes to conquer his opponent.


Justice, encourages him to be impartial in his behavior with people and to be moderate between the two extremes of negligence and extremism. It motivates him to be generous and kind which is the middle course between absolute degradation and arrogance, and to make this apart of his disposition and makeup. It encourages him to be courageous which is the middle course between cowardice and imprudence, and to be forbearing which is the middle course between extreme unnecessary anger and ignominy.


These four virtuous characteristics are the axis and provenance of all noble manners and the foundation of all repugnant and ignominious characteristics are built upon four pillars:


The First: Jahl (Ignorance)


The Second: Dhulm (Oppression)


The Third: Shahwah (following ones lowly desires)


The Fourth: Ghadhab (Anger)


Ignorance, allows him to view good in the form of evil and evil in the form of good, and to consider that which is complete to be incomplete and that which is incomplete to be complete.


Oppression, causes him to put things in places which are not appropriate for them, so he gets angry when its time to be happy and he is happy when its time to be angry. He is ignorant and hasty when its time to be deliberate and deliberate when its time to be hasty, he is stingy when it is time to be generous and generous when its time to be stingy. He is weak when it is time to be courageous and assume responsibility, and he assumes responsibility when it is time to take a step back (and let someone else undertake the initiative). He is gentle and lenient when it is time to be harsh and firm and he is harsh and firm when it is time to be lenient. He is humble when it is time to be superior and arrogant when it is time to be humble.


Following (his) lowly desires, encourages him to be diligent in obtaining that which the soul ardently desires, to be stingy and greedy. It encourages him to adorn himself with all types of despicable and imprudent characteristics.


Anger, incites him to be arrogant, jealous, envious, to hold enmity of others and to be imprudent and shameless.


The foundation of these four repugnant and blameworthy characteristics are two pillars:


Either, Extreme Self ignominy


Or Extreme Self Pride.


Translated by Abu Azzubayr Shadeed Muhammad


أركان الأخلاق الحسنة و المذمومة


قال ابن القيم رحم الله تعالى في كتابه مدارج السالكين 2/308


وحسن الخلق يقوم على أربعة أركان لا يتصور قيام ساقه إلا عليها: الصبر, العفة, الشجاعة, العدل الصبر يحمله على الاحتمال وكظم الغيظ وكف الأذى والحلم والأناة والرفق وعدم الطيش والعجلة, العفة تحمله على اجتناب الرذائل من القول والفعل وتحمله على الحياء وهو رأس كل خير وتمنعه من الفحشاء والبخل والكذب والغيبة والنميمة. الشجاعة تحمله على عزة لنفس وإيثار معالي الأخلاق و الشيم وعلى البذل والذي هو شجاعة النفس و قوتها على إخراج المحبوب ومفارقته وتحمله على كظم الغيظ والحلم فإنه بقوة نفسه و شجاعتها يمسك عنائها ويكبحه بلجامها عن النزع والبطش كما قال صلى الله عليه و سلم :ليس الشديد با لصرعة وإنما الشديد الذي يملك نفسه عند الغضب(متفق عليه), وهو حقيقة الشجاعة وهي ملكة يقتدر بها العبد على قهر خصمه, العدل يحمله على اعتدل أخلاقه وتوسطه فيما بين طرفي الإفراط و التفريط فيحمله على خلق الجود و السخاء الذي هو توسط بين الذل و القحة و على خلت الشجاعة الذي هو توسط بين الجبن و التهور وعلى خلق الحلم الذي هو توسط بين الغضب والمهانة وسقوط النفس ومنشأ جميع الأخلاق الفاضلة من هذه الأربعة ومنشأ جميع الأخلاق السافلة وبناؤها على أربعة أركان: الجهل, الظلم, الشهوة و الغضب الجهل يريه الحسن في صورة القبيح و القبيح في صورة الحسن و الكمال نقصا والنقص كمالا والظلم يحمله على وضع الشيء في غير موضعه فيغضب في موضع الرضى فيرضى في موضع الغضب ويجهل في موضع الأناة ويبخل في موضع البذل ويبذل في موضع البخل و يحجم في موضع الإقدام ويقدم في موضع الإحجام يلين في موضع الشدة ويشتد في موضع اللين ويتواضع في موضع العزة ويتكبر في موضع التواضع, الشهوة تحمله على الحرص و الشح والبخل و عدم العفة و النهمة و الجشع و الذل والدناءات كلها, و الغضب يحمله على الكبر والحقد والحسد و العدوان و السفه ويتركب من بين كل خلقين من هذه الأخلاق و ملاك هذه الأربعة أصلان: إفراط النفس في الضعف و إفراطها في القوة


المترجم: أبو الزبير شديد محمد




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  The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt
Posted by: abdulwalee - 04-08-2007, 02:24 PM - Forum: Usama - No Replies


Al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun (The Muslim Brotherhood) was founded in Egypt in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna (1906-1949), a Sufi revivalist thinker and activist. A group founded by Hassan al-Banna and which serves as an umbrella organisation to accommodate all and sundry, regardless of deviation in creed and methodology.


Following Britain's military occupation of Egypt, al-Banna's sensitivity towards Western imperialism was heightened due to his country's economic exploitation and cultural domination. Consequently, al-Banna saw fit to create an Islamic group which would oppose the secularist tendencies and corruption of state and society which existed by asserting a return to Islamic values and ways of life. He introduced this organization into Egyptian society by relying on pre-existing social networks. The group consistently attracted new recruits and established numerous businesses, clinics and schools. Appealing to a variety of constituencies, al-Banna recruited followers from a vast cross-section of Egyptian society by addressing issues such as colonialism, public health, educational policy, natural resources' management, Marxism, social inequalities, Arab nationalism, the weakness of the Islamic world and the growing conflict in Palestine.


Al-Banna did not begin or end his call with the basic tenet of Islam, tawhid (singling out Allah in all forms of worship), as was the way of the Prophets. Al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun have consistently overlooked the principal aspect of calling their followers to tawhid and forbidding them from polytheism, because these are matters which require time and effort to change, matters which people do not find easy to accept. Al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun were more concerned with amassing groups of people together rather than calling the people to the way of the Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace).


Consequently, they accommodate every kind of religious innovator in their ranks, giving them a platform to openly call to their various contradicting beliefs. Amongst al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun can be found followers of Sufism, the Jahmiyyah (those who deny that Allah has any Attributes), the Shee'ah, the Mu'tazilah (a philosophical school of thought that also denies Allah's Attributes), the Khawarij (those who expel people from the fold of Islam due to their sins), modernists, and many others. This methodology of political expediency results in Islam's clarity being replaced with something that is bewildering and blurred. Allah has said,


<b>"You consider them to be united, but their hearts are divided. That is because they are a people who understand not." Quran 59:14</b>


As the group expanded during the 1930s, it quickly transformed into an entity which would become directly active in the Egyptian political scene. Directly confronting the rulers, the organization became highly clandestine. This religious innovation of secrecy can now be found in the other more dangerous sects such as al-Qaeda and Jamaa'atul-Jihaad. After a series of back and forth assassinations between group members and the government, Prime Minister Nuqrashi Pasha disbanded al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun in December 1948. Although it has pursued a considerably more peaceful approach to its call since the 1970s, they set the stage for the other Qutbist groups that would take up where they had left off.


It is from the fundamental principles of al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun that they consider the lands, possessions and blood of the Muslim nations to be theirs, as if these nations which they preside in were places of experimentation. Accordingly, they sacrifice generations and generations of people for the attainment of rule. They believe that they can attempt to search for different ways to establish the religion of Islam, as if the texts of Islam do not actually contain an outline and divinely set method in which to do this. Directly contravening the methodology of the Prophets in calling to Allah, they have yet to experience anything resembling success.

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  Questions and images from shi'a sites
Posted by: abdulwalee - 04-08-2007, 12:44 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (1)

The Shi'ites

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  Islamic concepts towards Christianity (part IV)
Posted by: Teh_Curious - 04-08-2007, 03:25 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (5)



Islam is built on subtle lies which have been concocted by evil men in order to maintain cohesion and discipline within their robber band. Islam is the only religion that says that Jesus did not die on the cross. Islam denies this historical fact about Jesus which therefore negates the salvation given us by the Son of God's painful death and miraculous resurrection from the dead. Even the Jewish Sanhedrin (High Religious Court) in Jerusalem admits Jesus died there. In addition to the writers of the 4-Gospels and Josephus, the Jewish 1st century historian (See Antiquities 18-63) -- the Jewish Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) from the Tannaitic Period recorded: "On the eve of the Passover Yeshu [the Nazarene] was hanged".... This means on a wooden cross


<b> The Miracle Surrounding the Death of Jesus</b>


Also, A pagan historian by the name of Thallus, who lived shortly after the resurrection of Christ (about A.D. 52) wrote concerning a miraculous darkness that covered the earth at the Passover of A.D. 32 and attempted to explain it as an eclipse of the sun.


Islam claims to be a religion of the people of "The Book", or Ahel al-Kitab, which would have one believe it is a continuance of that Book God revealed to His Jewish Prophets. If it were, it would not deny what is in that "Book", especially after confirming the authority of the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels. If Islam was true, Muslims would know the name of the true God is not Allah, but Yahweh.


See more about Mohammed found in the Bible Codes . These matrixes say: "Mohammed Profanes My Holy Name" and "Mohammed, Blaspheming, Demon".


To be saved - you only have to know One name and it is NOT Allah. The name of Allah is found nowhere in "the book" (Torah or Gospels of Jesus). <b>"Allah" was an old pagan tribal "moon god" in the Mecca area.</b>


Muslims are wrongly taught about the Trinity. The Trinity has nothing to do with how many gods there are. It only has to do with God's nature and the three persons/natures that make up the one God. Christians know there is only one God, but this God has 3 persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). This is a mystery. "Can a dog understand the nature of man?" Likewise, we only have proofs of God's three natures. God is spirit and light. God's Holy Spirit is present in all places at once.


Muslims have to get over the lie that God cannot begot. He surely did. He did it in "the book". Look to Genesis where God says;


Genesis 1:26 (4000 Before Christ / 4570 yrs before Muhammad):


"And God said, Let us make man in our image...."


Proverbs 30:4 (700 Before Christ / 1270 yrs before Muhammad): "Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son's name, if thou canst tell?"


(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16


Muslims generally mistakenly conceive of this term "begotten" as meaning a literal, physical, sexual act between God and Mary. The Christian Church never taught that. Islamic mullahs and imams are those who teach that lie in order to confuse. "Begotten" here does not concern physical birth.


It's equally hard to understand to some that a person is also tripartite. God created us with 3 distinct but entirely separate "parts". But, nevertheless, it is true. We have a physical body, a spirit and a soul (intellect & will).


And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23


If Muslims would read their own Qur'an they would realize Allah can and DID do such a thing.


Sura 3:47 - She (Mary) said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.


Note: Begotten means "come from" without necessarily being created. Before the beginning of time, Jesus, who is also called the Word of God and the Logos, came from God the Father. Logos means the divine Word of God; the second person in the Trinity (incarnate in Jesus). God is Spirit and loving light! Exactly how Jesus and the Father are one is a mystery. Try and picture two spot lights focused on the same spot. These separate lights merge as one.


<b> Two Examples of the Father & Son as One:</b>


Muslims have this erroneous vision of Allah as carnal body. It is often for this reason that Muslims cannot envision God miraculously overshadowing Mary to conceive a Son. The concept of "only begotten Son", meaning not made, but one and the same substance with the Father --usually escapes Muslims entirely.


<b> Words of Jesus Himself:</b>


<i>Muslims do deny Jesus</i>


1 John 2: 22-23 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


Matthew 7:15


"Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravaging wolves.


15:9


They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commands of men."


15:14


Leave them alone! They are blind guides. And if the blind guide the blind, both will fall into a pit."


24:24


False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.


Christians were told in the Bible to be on-guard and that the Antichrist will not only just be a man who appears shortly before the Lord Jesus returns, but also a movement (Islam) which denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God. Islam is adamant in its denial of the deity of Jesus.


It is easy to overlook, but followers of Islam place their eternal salvation entirely on the whimsical sayings of only one single man - the imperfect and violent man Muhammad.


Christianity and Judaism is heavily corroborated by many different prophets and apostles of God. Additionally, Christianity and Judaism abound with many, many miracles, all witnessed by throngs of people. Physical evidence such as 5,300 original manuscripts confirming the New Testament (Injeel) are still here to read.


<b> The fact of the matter is; not one individual or document can corroborate Muhammad's testimony. </b>


As prophecies go, Muhammad simply made none!


Muhammad made only 1 very vague utterance (guess) that wishfully might be considered a prophecy. This was when he said that in a few years the Romans would win a battle. No time or place was even given. As to any signs that Muhammad was divinely inspired, Muhammad admitted twice he could do no miracles.


An Apostle of God must prove his mission by working miracles.


The life of Jesus on earth abounded with astounding miracles. The Qur'an itself declares in Sura 5:110 that Jesus performed miracles. And the Qur'an itself admits twice that Muhammad said he could do no miracles (Suras 13:7 and Sura 17:90-94 ). Jesus made the deaf hear, the lame walk, the blind see, the dumb speak. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread to feed 5000 people, and he cured lepers and many other diseased people, and raised the dead with his word only. One woman was cured by just touching Jesus' garment. Jesus walked on water, caste out demon spirits, raised his own self from the dead, and finally rose to heaven in front of many witnesses.


The so-called "Prophet" of Islam lived an extremely sinful life of raping, plundering and murdering for profit. His entire purpose for the Qur'an (Koran) was simply to increase his personal self esteem, attain superior status, and for maintaining discipline and cohesion within his robber band. An Apostle of God must be a good and righteous man as Jesus was and Muhammad was not.


Symptomatic of the state of Muhammad's soul during his lifetime is the strikingly similar behavior regarding the cross that demons have demonstrated over and over.


Muhammad had a diabolical aversion to the form of the cross.


According to Al Waqidi, Muhammad would break everything brought into the house with a shape of the cross on it. Additionally, Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) said that Muhammad would foam at the mouth during prayer. Christians should immediately remember the Apostle Mark's telling of Jesus casting a demon out of a boy who was possessed. This demon-possessed boy also showed this symptom of "foaming at the mouth".


More than eight hundred million human beings confess Islam, the religion Muhammad founded. There is no more militant movement on earth equal to Islam. No religion teaches hatred more than Islam. Jesus said; "many false prophets will rise up and deceive man." Islam has managed to turn billions of people away from the true Word of God, and not merely by its distraction of the truth. But also by its outright denial of the truth.


<b>There is never any hatred preached against Muslims or anyone when Christians and Jews Worship God. This is not true in Islam. Is it?</b>





Here is an interesting January 2007 article about a show on British television where undercover "Muslims" were sent into mosques during a 12 month period, and tape what was being said. Among other things, it shows clerics at a number of leading British mosques exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to follow Islamic law over UK law. Some are praising the Taliban. In response to the news that a British Muslim solider was killed fighting the Taliban, the Muslim speaker declares: “The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.” Another speaker says Muslims cannot accept the rule of non-Muslims. “You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir,” Dr Ijaz Mian tells a meeting held within the mosque. “We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.”


- Sura 9:5 - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);


- Surah's 8:39; 9:5; 9:29: 47:4 in the Muslim Qur'an are 'divine' commandments to persecute Jews and Christians, to defeat them in battle and then to consign them either to slavery or to death.


Jesus Never Spoke of Another true Prophet to Follow Him


Islam vainly tries to gain legitimacy over other, older religions, by creating a scene in which the former prophets agree to Mohammad's mastery.


The Comforter


Muslims often deliberately claim that Jesus spoke of Muhammad as that prophet who would follow him, or that Muhammad was the "Comforter" Jesus promised would come. The references Muslims vainly cling to about this are mentions of a comforter to follow Jesus in John chapters 14, 15, and 16. Both of these are more Islamic lies. Jesus did warn us that false prophets (Muhammad) with false Gospels (Qur'an) would follow Him, and try to deceive many.


The Comforter Jesus spoke of was the Holy Spirit who filled the Apostles while they gathered together on Pentecost. While gathered together they all began speaking in foreign tongues. The Comforter/Holy Spirit/Ruach HaKodesh also imparted the ways of God on Mary, the Apostles of Jesus, and about 120 other Disciples that day. Three thousand came into the Church that same day. Jesus' followers then immediately took Him seriously and they went out and began preaching the Gospel. The Comforter was NOT Muhammad. In John 14:26 the comforter is specifically identified as the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no mention of any Allah, Muhammad, or any prophet to follow Jesus in any Christian or Jewish Holy Books.


"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).


The "Comforter" refers to the Holy Spirit who descended on the Apostles of Jesus at Pentecost, just as Jesus said.


This is another attempt by Islam to gain some sort of credibility. Jesus foretold the coming of the "Comforter", which is the Holy Spirit.


Jesus did not say the following:


`Jesus, the son of Mary, said, O children of Israel, verily I am the Apostle of God sent unto you confirming the law which was given before me, and bringing good tidings of an Apostle who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' (Sura 7:157)


Note the word Ahmed, of which the name Muhammad is compounded.


Muhammad even disqualified himself as a true Prophet of God.


- Sura 29:27 states clearly that, as far as Allah and the Qur'an are concerned, the only true prophets are those related to Isaac (Ishaq) or Jacob (Yaqoub); yet Muhammad, according to Muslim tradition, is related to Ishmael and not Isaac or Jacob.


The real God (Yahweh) chose to establish His covenant with Abraham and Sarah's son Isaac, instead of with Ishmael, the son of the slave girl Hagar. This choice of Isaac by God is mentioned 5 times, beginning in Genesis 17:18-21. Yet, who did this false Islamic god, Allah adopt? Ishmael! In fact, an important Islamic holiday called Id-al-Adha celebrates the bogus near sacrifice of Ishmael by Abraham in Mecca. Even though there is nothing in scripture suggesting Abraham ever set foot in Arabia.


Herein lies another prophetic truth! God rejected Ishmael and Esau because they were "wild donkeys" (Genesis 16:12) and men of the sword (Genesis 27:40). God did promise, however, to make Ishmael a great nation (Arabs). Who can deny that Islam, with its roots in Arabia, has not always acted like psychotic "wild donkeys" and "men of the sword"? I call to mind the rather recent "Cartoon" row with worldwide demonstrations by Muslims. Nothing of the sort occurred in Christendom after Dan Brown published his best selling book of lies known as the "Da Vinci Code".


No prophet of God was ever subject to epileptic fits & uncertainty- like Muhammad was...


We know from Islamic historians that Muhammad's many wives did believe he was a a prophet of Allah, in part, because Muhammad would frequently go into epileptic frenzies and foam at the mouth, while receiving his "revelations". Also, unlike any of the true prophets of Israel, Muhammad would go through prolonged periods of time when he himself thought he was going mad, or that he was possessed by demons. The Hebrew prophets never acted like this. The Hebrew prophets were certain that God (Yahweh) was speaking to them.


What can be rationally thought of the nearly weekly suicide bombings by Muslims, and the very real Muslim psychosis of thinking they will kill every Jew, and then every Christian and Hindu and every other non-believer, who doesn't convert to Islam? I advise Islam to read the real "Book" that says in Jeremiah (Prophet Jeremiah) that "there will be no more Jews on the face of the earth when the moon, the sun and the stars no longer shine."

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  The crusades (part III)
Posted by: Teh_Curious - 04-08-2007, 03:25 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (1)


Every Christian who participated in the Crusades, did so, against the teachings of Jesus.


However, in retrospect, the Crusades probably allowed the western world a thousand years of freedom from the diabolical Islamic religion. The Crusaders stopped the expansion of the Islamic empire. This allowed Christianity to prosper in Europe which preserved the gospel for the rest of the world to receive.


The Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim crusades against the entire world.


In the 7th century, the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, and in the 11th century they began to hassle, kill, molest Christian pilgrims in the Jerusalem area. The Muslim Turks even attacked Rome and Belgrade in 1456 A.D. The Crusades were also in response to the cries of help from the eastern Byzantine Empire, which was very worried about the military threat to it from the Seljuk Turks. So if the Christians did not respond, the Muslims would have conquered all of Europe and wiped out Christianity from the planet. Did this have any significance to Osama bin Laden's sick mind? The Muslim high point in Europe ended when they were turned back from Vienna on September 11, 1683 A.D.


In AD 1009, Kalif Hakem of Egypt ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulcher and all Christian places of worship in Jerusalem. Christians were persecuted cruelly and pilgrims were attacked.


<i>Here is a speech from Pope Urban II to Christians from this Crusader era:</i>


For your brethren who live in the east are in urgent need of your help, and you must hasten to give them the aid which has often been promised to them. For, as most of you have heard, the Turks and Arabs have attacked them and have conquered the territory of Romania (the Greek empire) as far west as the shore of the Mediterranean and the Hellespont, which is called the Arm of St. George. They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for a while with impunity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends.


SPAIN UNDER THE MOORS


Neither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In 920 A.D. all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.


CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLE


Under Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, 1453 A.D., waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time.


For centuries the Turks demanded an annual “blood levy” of Christian boys. Parents were forced to hand over one out of every five Christian boys for service in the Sultan’s army as janissaries.


In 1860 over 12,000 Christians were slaughtered in Lebanon. In 1876 14,700 Bulgarians were murdered by the Turks. 200,000 Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turks in Bayazid in 1877. And in 1915 the Turks massacred over 1.5 million Armenian Christians. As recently as September 1922 the Turkish army destroyed the ancient city of Smyrna with its 300,000 Christian population.

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  The Muslim Dilemma (part II)
Posted by: Teh_Curious - 04-08-2007, 03:25 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (1)


<b> The Christian Bible Says Jesus is God, and one with the Father</b>


Muslims have no choice but to believe in the Christian Bible and the Apostles who wrote it. The Qur'an forbids anyone, on pain of shameful punishment, from making distinctions between the authority of the apostles and prophets of God, or from choosing between God's words. No one is permitted to believe in part and reject a part. Those who presume to do so, it says, are infidels in reality (Suras 4:150-152; 2:89; 42:13-15; 29:46-47).


Who is he talking about?


This Sura below shows how Muhammad had a complete misunderstanding of the Christian Gospel, and what the Trinity is. Apparently, Muhammad is referring to Christians. But his error here is that both Christians and Jews believe there is only One God. Muhammad also mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son and Mother (Mary).


- Sura 5:73-75, "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three..."


Again, below Muhammad attests to the Torah's (Taurat) authority.


So, for Muslims to claim the Bible was corrupted is an argument already lost....


- In Sura 5:48 we are told that Muhammad is given the Qur'an as a confirmation of the bible; that is - it is meant to prove the bible's authenticity.... "And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it,"


- In Sura 46:12 we are told.... "Yet before it there was the Book of Moses (Torah/Old Testement) which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur'an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue....."


<b> Muhammad deferred to the Torah for Guidance Himself</b>


Asked to produce the Torah and read from it, Âl 'Imran 3:93.


A group of Jews went to Muhammad and ask him to pronounce judgment on an adulterous couple. Muhammad asked for the Torah to be brought before him, and the couple was subsequently stoned, in accordance with the penalty laid down in the Torah. (see Sahih Bukhari Book 38, no. 4434)


This incident indicates that Muhammad deferred to the Torah for judgment. In the whole incident, there is no indication whatsoever that the Torah is not trustworthy, Also see: fate of those who do not live by Torah, al-Jum`ah 62:5 ; referred to settle dispute on food, Âl 'Imran 3:93-94 ; retribution in, al-Ma'idah 5:45


Torah/Taurat: This word occurs 18 times in the Qur'an. It refers to the 39 books that make up the Jewish & Christian Old Testament. Jesus Himself said "every iota" (or every bit) of this Torah/Taurat is true.


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ISLAM, LIKE SATAN - WANTS ONLY SLAVES....


Most Muslims do not realize that Islam allows no freedom. This alone should make them realize that it is Satan behind Islam, and not an eternal God. Satan wishes only to enslave Muslims to help him enslave the entire world. He does this by turning them away from the truth -- that salvation is yours already, if you only have faith in God's Son, Jesus. Islam is a religion based on intimidation and fear. The word "Islam" does not mean "peace." It means "submission." A Muslim is not allowed to leave Islam or else risk his or her life. At birth, a person is branded either Muslim or non-Muslim depending on one's descent.


Among other things, the religion of Islam is a brain-washing religion, and that is why so many Muslims turn into crazy mindless zombies. The Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day in Arabic to a God who is not there, from the moment they embrace Islam; and when they do so they touch their head to the floor. That is one reason they get so brain-washed, this repetitive prayer. You can often spot fanatical Muslims by the marks on their foreheads resulting from this repetitive touching their head to the floor, where they may whack their head if they really get into it.


If you are a Muslim, and not praying the mandatory 5 times a day (in Arabic), which must be preceded by the ritual washing/ablution (Wudu) , according to Muhammad you are in great danger of going to hell. Muslims may be excused from observing the other pillars of Islam like fasting, almsgiving, pilgrimage to Mecca. But, no Muslim is ever excused from mandatory 5 times a day prayer. In Christianity there is no compulsion or mandatory prayer. The Lord God has given Christians free will. Christians know they are to honor God every day, and not just on a Sunday. Muslims should count their "blessings". During Muhammad's fanciful mystical Night Journey to Heaven, Muhammad said that he was originally told by Allah to command his followers to pray fifty times daily, but later Allah revealed this to be too much of a burden. What Muhammad probably meant was he soon found out that even he couldn't keep up with fifty mandatory prayer sessions a day. So like many Sura's you'll see below, miraculously a Sura appeared to help Muhammad out in his personal life.


In Christianity, there is no such compulsion. Yahweh wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers. Christians know enough to speak with God as their "Abba" (literally - daddy in Aramaic). Muslims typically never even think of one-on-one, two-way prayers to God. Muslim prayers resemble a "broadcast"; and no reply from their Allah is usually ever expected.


<b>Jesus told us: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen (pagans) do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." Matthew 6:7 - 8 </b>


Satan, Muhammad and al-Zawahiri all "rail" against the cross!


CAIRO, Egypt, Dec. 11, 2005 In a taped message Ayman al-Zawahiri, urged all Muslims to take up arms and said their refusal to join the fight against "the Cross and Zionism" was a "malignant illness" that would only lead to the defeat of militant Islam.


Another example of this mindless zombie behavior you see in Muslims is the Shiite Muslim "holiday" of Ashoura, commemorating the death of Muhammad's grandson Husayn. Some Shiite Muslims stab themselves in the head on this "holiday", making a cut on their heads and beating the wound so it keeps bleeding. And the "bleeders" then walk around in groups yelling. And the cruelest and worst practice of Muslims is their practice of genital cutting (aka: FGC, Female Genital Cutting), genital mutilation, of young girls in Muslim countries. It has been estimated that approximately 2 million infants, young girls, and women are subjected to this painful and needless practice each year worldwide. FGC is typically done without anesthesia or antibiotics.


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A symptom of enslavement:


Islamic law encourages Muslims to proselytize (convert others). Islam, however, clearly forbids others to proselytize to Muslims. This is because hearing the truth as revealed in the Christian Bible would weaken this false path to God (Islam).

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  Child Welfare in Islamic Malaysia
Posted by: Ruggedtouch - 04-07-2007, 10:56 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


Because there’s "no compulsion in religion": Malaysia's Islamic officials seize baby from mother who sought a Hindu life





Quote:KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Islamic authorities took away the baby of a Muslim woman who is living as a Hindu in defiance of the law in the latest case of religious conflict straining ties in multiethnic Malaysia, officials said Friday.
Revathi Masoosai's 15-month-old daughter was taken by the Islamic Religious Department in southern Malacca state on March 26 and handed to Revathi's Muslim mother, said department enforcement officer Mohamad Imran Ahmad.


"The baby's grandmother has custody of her for now," Mohamad Imran told The Associated Press.


Revathi, an ethnic Indian, is being held in a rehabilitation center run by Islamic authorities for her religious transgression. The baby was with Revathi's husband when she was seized. He has filed a police complaint, but it was not clear if he plans to take the case to court.


Meanwhile, the baby will stay with her grandmother. "When the baby's mother is released, she can try to regain custody if she wants to," said Mohamad Imran without elaborating. ...


Revathi, 29, was born to Indian Muslim parents who gave her a Muslim name, Siti Fatimah. However, Revathi claims she was raised as a Hindu by her grandmother and changed her name in 2001, said Chong Eng, an opposition member of Parliament. ...


"Separating mother and child ... is inhuman," Chong said in a statement.

Of course this is inhuman. It’s obscene.


Religion in Western cultures is largely a personal matter. People are free to embrace the faith of their choosing without religious authorities exacting punishment on those who might choose to make a personal choice about their religious beliefs. There is no compulsion to believe in the state mandated religion as there is in Moslem majority nations. By and large, we in the West acknowledge that faith is a private matter and ones religious belief is not often dragged into the public arena nor is religion forced upon others. In a democracy, you can believe (or choose not to embrace a religious faith) as you wish, and you can expect that personal choice to be honored (even if grudgingly) and protected by law. This is illustrative of the basic principle of <i>freedom of religion</i> (which is by default, freedom <i>from</i> religion) and the plurality in democracy that fires the debates which help to preserve our freedoms and keeps us strong. It also promotes a <i>de facto</i> secular social disposition which has allowed the arts and sciences as well as political and social environments to flourish, thus improving our lives and our ability to help others to improve theirs. The positive impact of Western liberal democracy really cannot be overstated. We've evolved and we’ve learned that totalitarian dystopias are antithetical to the human spirit of investigation and discovery.

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  Al Mushrikoon Exposed
Posted by: AhmedBahgat - 04-07-2007, 05:07 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (1)


Salam All


This is an aticle that I wrote in repsponse to a clear cut enemy of Islam on the anti Islam web site faithfreedom.org run by Dr Ali Sina (A malcious enemy of Islam), it was a silly member who promotes non sesnse about the Quran, despite my article is a reply to him, I consider it directed at all Muslims as well, on Faith Freedom web site, hardly no Muslim came with a valid argument to refute my accusation, I really hope that some Muslims in here come forward and refute my arguments if they think it is wrong, I will only accept Quran evidences, any other man made evidences won;t be admissable in my book, let me now post my article the way it is without any editing:


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An FFI member (muhmed terror head) but I call him muhmed boofhead, came up with the following stupid claim:




Quote:إِنَّكُمْ وَمَا تَعْبُدُونَ
مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ حَصَبُ جَهَنَّمَ أَنْتُمْ لَهَا وَارِدُونَ" الأنبياء: 98
"احْشُرُوا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا وَأَزْوَاجَهُمْ وَمَا كَانُوا يَعْبُدُونَ
,(*) مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَاهْدُوهُمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْجَحِيمِ"



Quote:إthe 1st is al anbya 98
the 2nd is safat 23:22



Quote:this verse of quran say that he(ALLAH) will punish the oppstils and what THAY WORSHIP in hell,now this is verry strange how would allah put your idols in hell,?



Quote:إ the moon ,the sun the thunder,the birds ,the sky,the cows,...etc.
ok we are responsible but what did the cow,camel ,dogs fault if i worsheped them..!



Quote:إ and the sun how do u through the sun in hell its almost the same for it.
hope you realy understand arabic then its so easy to just read that verse of quran and know what i mean.

Let me post the verses properly


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Surely you and what you worship besides Allah are the firewood of hell; to it you shall come.


<i>[The Quran ; 21:98]</i>


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إِنَّكُمْ وَمَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ حَصَبُ جَهَنَّمَ أَنتُمْ لَهَا وَارِدُونَ (98)





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22: Gather together those who were unjust and their associates, and what they used to worship


23: Besides Allah, then lead them to the way to hell.


<i>[The Quran ; 37:22-23]</i>


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احْشُرُوا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا وَأَزْوَاجَهُمْ وَمَا كَانُوا يَعْبُدُونَ (22)


مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ فَاهْدُوهُمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْجَحِيمِ (23)





I will actually take the chance replying to the above idiotic claim and expose the Mushrikoon as well, the subject of Mushrikoon is very much related to the above, because at least to Shirk is to worship/serve another entity but Allah and that is what the verses above are talking about, the verses are talking about those wrong doers who are worshiping/serving others but Allah.


muhmed boofhead thinks that all these man mad gods worshipped by different humans like the sun, the cows, some humans, etc etc must be burnt in hell because the Quran told us above that Allah will gather the Mushrikoon/Kafiroon with those whom they worshipped in the hell fire.


The boofhead also wonders how the hell the sun will be burnt in hell?


Let me add to his wonder another wonder, how the hell Jesus will be burnt in hell? Come on, we know that the majority of the Christians if not all worship/serve Jesus as a god therefore according to the above verses, Jesus must be burnt in hell. Which is not true of course


muhmed boofhead is also wondering about the fairness of God who is going to punish other things for a crime committed by other humans.


To be honest I found the subject funny at the beginning but now I started to take it serious, however I firmly believe that those verses posted by him are only talking about the Humans and Jinn whom been worshipped by other humans.


Many including Muslims think that physically worshipping/serving another entity as a god is the only thing that constitute Shirk, but I firmly believe that this is not the only case to constitute Shirk, logically speaking if you have two opposite propositions , for example:


1) Don’t kill


2) Kill


Another example is like this:


1) Believe in God


2) Don’t believe in God


Would you like another one?, why not:


1) Don’t lie


2) Lie


There are zillions of other examples and all will be religiously related , in the above examples it is clear that God is at one end and satan is at the other,


If you chose to ignore God proposition and obey satan proposition then you have shirked and worshipped/served satan because part of worshipping/serving God is to obey his messages, therefore if you obey others who order you to do the opposite to what the God orders you to do then you have shirked..


See, even though those Mushrikoon don’t consider satan as a god they still obeyed him in a proposition which was the opposite to what Allah said..


What should make it even worse for those clear cut Mushrikoon that Allah warned them in advance regarding Satan and yet they even ignored that warning by Allah. let’s look at the clear warning by Allah:


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Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.


<i>[The Quran ; 35:6]</i>


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إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ فَاتَّخِذُوهُ عَدُوًّا إِنَّمَا يَدْعُو حِزْبَهُ لِيَكُونُوا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ السَّعِيرِ (6)





-> The verse starts with a very clear message, the devil took us as enemy therefore WE MUST TAKE HIM AS AN ENEMY ALSO:<b>” Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy”</b>, see how we have been WARNED in advance, he is not just our enemy, he is also the enemy of Allah, and if you claim to be following Allah but you listen to His enemy (Satan) at the same time by following what Satan propose then, your action must constitute SHIRK without even considering Satan as a god.


Let me ask you, if you listen to your enemy and the enemy of God instead of your God, wouldn’t that make you a Mushrik?:


-> Please pay attention to the words: <b>” He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.”</b>, that is what satan can do, he only invites them so they become his companions in the blazing fire, I have to say, these words: <b>” إِنَّمَا يَدْعُو حِزْبَهُ”</b>, which was translated as <b>“ He only invites his adherents”</b>, is translated wrong, the word <b>“Hizb”</b> means <b>“Party”</b>, i.e. <b>Satan calls his party</b>, which is the opposite to <b>Hizb Allah</b> which means the Party of Allah, let’s have a look at the verse telling us about <b>Hizb Allah</b>, (The party of Allah):


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55: Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.


56: And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.


<i>[The Quran ; 5:55-56]</i>


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إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ (55)


وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فَإِنَّ حِزْبَ اللّهِ هُمُ الْغَالِبُونَ (56)





-> See who should be considered by the believers as Wali in the religion, i.e. we should obey them, <b>” Only Allah is your Wali and His Messenger and those who believe,”</b>, those prophets and believers whom we should listen to can’t constitute Shirk <b>because what they should tell us to do should be exactly the same as what Allah told us to do in His Quran</b>, i.e. NOT THE OPPOSITE, look how those believers were described in the same verse: <b>” those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.”</b>, NOT JUST ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE A BELIEVER.


-> Allah, His messengers and all true believers constitute the Hizb of Allah:<b>”then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.”</b>, clearly we have another opposing party which is Satan and all his followers (adherents) from the humans and the jinn , satan is trying to make his party bigger by calling more to join as 35:6 told us


Remember we were told in 35:6 that satan :<b>”only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.”</b>, let’s see what Allah invites His party for:


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And Allah invites to the abode of peace and guides whom He pleases into the right path.


<i>[The Quran ; 10:25]</i>


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وَاللّهُ يَدْعُو إِلَى دَارِ السَّلاَمِ وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ (25)





-> See how the two opposing parties have totally opposite invitation, here is both under each other:


<b>35:6</b>, <b>”satan only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.”</b>



<b>10:25</b>, <b>” And Allah invites to the abode of peace”</b>



So if you follow satan then you have shirked.


Let me highlight satan's main objective, it is clearly to flaw everyone of us, he is so committed that he said this to Allah:


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(Satan) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-“


<i>[The Quran ; 38:82]</i>


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قَالَ فَبِعِزَّتِكَ لَأُغْوِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ (82)





-> By the power of God, satan will do his best to put all humans in the wrong, you have to know that satan main enemy are the believers and not the unbelievers, he needs to do nothing more to the unbelievers the unbelievers already shirked by following him opposite to what Allah said, unless they think of believing then he will come back to them from every where trying hard to put them in the wrong again:


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16- He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.


17- Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).


<i>[The Quran ; 7:16-17]</i>


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قَالَ فَبِمَا أَغْوَيْتَنِي لأَقْعُدَنَّ لَهُمْ صِرَاطَكَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ (16)


ثُمَّ لآتِيَنَّهُم مِّن بَيْنِ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِمْ وَعَنْ أَيْمَانِهِمْ وَعَن شَمَآئِلِهِمْ وَلاَ تَجِدُ أَكْثَرَهُمْ شَاكِرِينَ (17)





-> See, <b>” verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path”</b> and how he will do it?: <b>” I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).”</b>


See how satan is working hard to increase his Hizb (party) numbers, you have to realize that he is giving the above promise to God Himself <b>” and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee)”</b>, i.e. it is either we join the winning party of Allah or the losing party of satan, if we join satan’s party and ignore Allah’s party then we have shirked because Allah is leading His party and satan is leading his opposite party.


Therefore all those who submitted to satan have shirked, satan is not a Mushrik though (will be explained at the end of my comment), sure all his party’s new recruits from the humans and the jinn will work hard to do exactly what satan did to them, i.e. they will try hard to increase their party numbers, i.e. if we listen to them then we have shirked because they say the opposite of what Allah says and we obeyed them and ignored Allah, let me give you a clear example from the Quran of some humans who work hard to say the opposite to what Allah says, if we listen to those unbelievers bound to hell then we will be Mushrikoon:


Here is what Allah tells us to do:


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And when the Quran is read, then listen to it and remain silent, that mercy may be shown to you.


<i>[The Quran ; 7:204]</i>


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وَإِذَا قُرِىءَ الْقُرْآنُ فَاسْتَمِعُواْ لَهُ وَأَنصِتُواْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ (204)





-> The message of our God is clear as light:<b>” And when the Quran is read, then listen to it and remain silent, that mercy may be shown to you.”</b>


Now let’s have a look and see if what the disbeliebers (like many on FFI web site) say is the opposite to what Allah said above:


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26: And those who disbelieve say: Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.


27: But We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty, and We will requite them for the worst of their deeds.


28: That is the reward of the enemies of Allah-- the fire; for them therein shall be the house of long abiding; a reward for their denying Our communications.


29: And those who disbelieve will say: Our Lord! show us those who led us astray from among the jinn and the men that we may trample them under our feet so that they may be of the lowest.


<i>[The Quran ; 41:26-29]</i>


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وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَا تَسْمَعُوا لِهَذَا الْقُرْآنِ وَالْغَوْا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَغْلِبُونَ (26)


فَلَنُذِيقَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا وَلَنَجْزِيَنَّهُمْ أَسْوَأَ الَّذِي كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ (27)


ذَلِكَ جَزَاء أَعْدَاء اللَّهِ النَّارُ لَهُمْ فِيهَا دَارُ الْخُلْدِ جَزَاء بِمَا كَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يَجْحَدُونَ (28)


وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا رَبَّنَا أَرِنَا الَّذَيْنِ أَضَلَّانَا مِنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ نَجْعَلْهُمَا تَحْتَ أَقْدَامِنَا لِيَكُونَا مِنَ الْأَسْفَلِينَ (29)





-> Subhan Allah, see how verse 41:26 is telling us that the Kafir members of satan party are telling us the opposite to what Allah told us :<b>” And those who disbelieve say: Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.”</b>, that is exactly what the boys and girls on FFI web site do, look how the Quran is exposing them with such accuracy, let me put the two verse under each other and see how they are the total opposite:


<b>7:204, Allah said:</b>


<b>”And when the Quran is read, then listen to it and remain silent, that mercy may be shown to you.”</b>



<b>41:26, the members of Satan party say:</b>


<b>”Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome.”</b>



Now if we follow what satan party call for which is the opposite to what Allah party call for then we have shirked, no question about it.


-> The problem for all those Kafirs and Mushriks from among the humans and the jinn is this as we read in the 41:27, <b>” But We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty, and We will requite them for the worst of their deeds”</b>


-> I call them the enemy of Allah, indeed they are so:<b>” That is the reward of the enemies of Allah-- the fire; for them therein shall be the house of long abiding; a reward for their denying Our signs”</b>, wow what an achievement, please put you hands for such losers, (use your finger tips to clap please), the idiots on FFI web site reject that I called them “<b>enemies of Allah</b>”, well, didn’t they mock Allah, His messengers and His message on a daily basis trying to increase their losing party number?, don’t they tell the believers and those thinking about believeing <b>” Do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein, perhaps you may overcome”</b>?, the <b>enemies of Allah</b> is a very well deserved label, the problem is, it is the worst label a human or a jinn can have, the consequence of gaining such label is simply a well deserved seat in hell.


-> So those who shirked by listening to others humans and jinn who opposed the message of Allah will be in big trouble indeed, so what they will do then is simply calling for Allah to allow them to crush them under their feet:<b>”And those who disbelieve will say: Our Lord! show us those who led us astray from among the jinn and the men that we may trample them under our feet so that they may be of the lowest.”</b>, they followed them in what they wanted them to follow which was the opposite to what Allah wanted them to follow so they shirked, it is clear that what they followed is stated as <b>”الَّذَيْنِ أَضَلَّانَا مِنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ”</b>, <b>” those who led us astray from among the jinn and the men”</b>. the ones they worshipped/served, the ones they obeyed to the contrary to what Allah said to obey. This is called shirk.


Hell is only made to be the punishment from those among men and jinn, this is what Allah ordained to the men and jinn:


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And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together.


<i>[The Quran ; 32:13]</i>


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وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَآتَيْنَا كُلَّ نَفْسٍ هُدَاهَا وَلَكِنْ حَقَّ الْقَوْلُ مِنِّي لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ (13)





-> Firstly, Allah is telling us that He is the only One to guide any soul to its guidance:<b>” And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance,”</b>, however Allah is not going to do it randomly by selecting some to guide and cursing the others, it does not work this way with our God, Allah guidance will only be offered to those sincere ones seeking His guidance, and He is the only one who can know who is sincere and who is not, who deserves to be guided and who does not., He knew that many will be arrogant and will join satan’s party so He declared :<b>” but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together.”</b> , see <b>only the jinn and men</b> will be the residents of hell, there are many future residents of Hell on FFI whom we can easily identify so far and according to what they say.


This oath taken by Allah on Himself that both the humans and jinn will be the residents of Hell is stated again:


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118: And if your Lord had pleased He would certainly have made people a single nation, and they shall continue to differ.


119: Except those on whom your Lord has mercy; and for this did He create them; and the word of your Lord is fulfilled: Certainly I will fill hell with the jinn and the men, all together.


<i>[The Quran ; 11:118-119]</i>


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وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لَجَعَلَ النَّاسَ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلاَ يَزَالُونَ مُخْتَلِفِينَ (118)


إِلاَّ مَن رَّحِمَ رَبُّكَ وَلِذَلِكَ خَلَقَهُمْ وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ لأَمْلأنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ (119)





-> See how the message in 32:13 was stated again but in two verses instead, this is the beauty of the Arabic Quran, those who can see it are really blessed by our God. <b>” And if your Lord had pleased He would certainly have made people a single nation”</b> , this actually a question asked by many ignorant, they always say why Allah didn’t send one religion instead of many?. They think that this way humans won’t differ between one and another and will be united, however Allah is telling us even if He made us one nation (one religion) we will still differ: <b>” and they shall continue to differ.”</b>, the reason for that is explained in the following verse:


-> Those who won’t differ (i.e. accept all religions as one religion from the same God) are blessed by Allah :<b>” Except those on whom your Lord has mercy;</b>, now for humans to differ even if they are made into one nation is a must BECAUSE THIS IS WHY ALLAH CREATED ALL OF US <b>” and for this did He create them;”</b>, see, this is EXACTLY what happens on FFI on a daily basis, a struggle between the believers and those enemy of Allah who want to put out His light, well, here is their reward:<b>”and the word of your Lord is fulfilled: Certainly I will fill hell with the jinn and the men, all together.”</b>, see all those members who joined the party of satan are only men and jinn, and the hell is made for them ONLY. Well done.


The following verse clearly says that many of jinn and humans are destined to hell


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And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.


<i>[The Quran ; 7:179]</i>


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وَلَقَدْ ذَرَأْنَا لِجَهَنَّمَ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْجِنِّ وَالإِنسِ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌ لاَّ يَفْقَهُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ أَعْيُنٌ لاَّ يُبْصِرُونَ بِهَا وَلَهُمْ آذَانٌ لاَّ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا أُوْلَئِكَ كَالأَنْعَامِ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْغَافِلُونَ (179)





-> See, nothing else mentioned than humans and jinn who are destined to hell:<b>”And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men”</b>, i.e. the verses posted by muhmed boofhead are talking about those humans and jinn who were worshipped/served i.e. <b>“WERE OBEYED”</b> by other Humans and Jinn in what is the opposite to what Allah said.


When the many wrong doers among the humans and the jinn face hell, this is the message that will be told to both:


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O assembly of jinn and men! did there not come to you messengers from among you, relating to you My signs and warning you of the meeting of this day of yours? They shall say: We bear witness against ourselves; and this world's life deceived them, and they shall bear witness against their own souls that they were unbelievers.


<i>[The Quran ; 6:130]</i>


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يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالإِنسِ أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي وَيُنذِرُونَكُمْ لِقَاء يَوْمِكُمْ هَذَا قَالُواْ شَهِدْنَا عَلَى أَنفُسِنَا وَغَرَّتْهُمُ الْحَيَاةُ الدُّنْيَا وَشَهِدُواْ عَلَى أَنفُسِهِمْ أَنَّهُمْ كَانُواْ كَافِرِينَ (130)





-> This message clearly indicate that only the humans and jinn are the two creatures created by our God who were given freewill, therefore the punishment only applies to them :<b>” O assembly of jinn and men! did there not come to you messengers from among you, relating to you My signs and warning you of the meeting of this day of yours?”</b>, they will CONVICT THEMSELVES, <b>” They shall say: We bear witness against ourselves; and this world's life deceived them, and they shall bear witness against their own souls that they were unbelievers.”</b>, an example of such losers is msWesterner on FFI of course.


Indeed only men and jinn are the only two creatures who lie and say the opposite about our God, i.e. the punishment only applies to them and not to the sun nor to the moon neither to the cows which have been worshipped, here is a few verses that clearly prove that non other than the humans and the jinn who lie about our God:


Even the Jinn know it:


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4: And that the foolish amongst us used to forge extravagant things against Allah:


5: And that we thought that men and jinn did not utter a lie against Allah:





<i>[The Quran ; 72:4-5]</i>


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وَأَنَّهُ كَانَ يَقُولُ سَفِيهُنَا عَلَى اللَّهِ شَطَطًا (4)


وَأَنَّا ظَنَنَّا أَن لَّن تَقُولَ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا (5)





The enemies of any prophet must be from among the humans or the jinn or both, they can’t be anything else:


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112: And thus did We make for every prophet an enemy, the Shaitans from among men and jinn, some of them suggesting to others varnished falsehood to deceive (them), and had your Lord pleased they would not have done it, therefore leave them and that which they forge.


113: And that the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter may incline to it and that they may be well pleased with it and that they may earn what they are going to earn (of evil).


114: Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) explained; and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers.


<i>[The Quran ; 6:112-114]</i>


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وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نِبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ (112)


وَلِتَصْغَى إِلَيْهِ أَفْئِدَةُ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالآخِرَةِ وَلِيَرْضَوْهُ وَلِيَقْتَرِفُواْ مَا هُم مُّقْتَرِفُونَ (113)


أَفَغَيْرَ اللّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنَزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلاً وَالَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ مُنَزَّلٌ مِّن رَّبِّكَ بِالْحَقِّ فَلاَ تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ (114)





-> Clear from the above that only the humans and jinn are the enemies of any prophet :<b>” And thus did We make for every prophet an enemy, the Shaitans from among men and jinn”</b>, those enemy among the humans and jinn talk nothing but falsehood: <b>”some of them suggesting to others varnished falsehood to deceive (them),”</b>, Allah can easily stop the enemy but He is allowing them for a purpose which is to convict themselves and surely test others:<b>”and had your Lord pleased they would not have done it, therefore leave them and that which they forge”</b>


-> Only those who don’t believe in the Last Day listens to and obey the falsehood :<b>” And that the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter may incline to it and that they may be well pleased with it”</b>, and that is how they should convict themselves, <b>” and that they may earn what they are going to earn (of evil).”</b>


-> The above falsehood is not only by those Kafiroon (disbelievers) but also by those believers who take other laws from human then make it divine laws that must be adhered to as if it is from Allah however THERE SHOULD BE NO DIVINE LAWS FROM ANY HUMAN, ALL DIVINE LAWS THAT WE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MUST BE FROM ALLAH ALONE :<b>” Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) explained; and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers.”</b>


Now, let’s move on to a very important and related subject that I mentioned earlier, the subject of Shirk, this is still related to the humans and the jinn as I will explain, most people are raised and only fed that to shirk is to take another entity as a god in addition to the One and only God, for example the Christians are Mushrikoon because they took other entities as other gods in addition to the one and only God, the Hindus are the exact same despite both the Veda and the Bible say that there is only ONE GOD. This type of Shirk is committed when humans make PARTNERS as GODS in addition to Allah, this shirk is obvious to a child, in fact this is what they mostly teach Muslim children as I was taught when I was a child. The Quran talked about this type of Shirk of course as we will see soon.


The Quran also talked more about another type of Shirk, this is the one that is harder to understand, it is committed by taking man made laws and making it divine as if it was ordained by Allah. people committing this type of Shirk don’t really realize that they are shirking, this is because they are programmed that Shirk is mostly to take others as gods in addition to the One and only God. We will see clearly that the Quran talked more about this type of Shirk, this makes sense of course because this is the Shirk that most humans are not aware of.


Let me summarize the above paragraph in points then my elaboration will follow:


There are two types of Shirk:


1) To take other entities as gods in addition to the One and only God


2) To obey man made laws that were called by them as divine laws (religious laws) from God


The first type of Shirk must involve physical worshipping to those other entities that have been made gods, on the other hand the second type of shirk (the most common and disguised one) does not involve physical worshipping to those men who made these man made laws rather OBEYING WHAT THEY SAY AS IF IT IS DIVINE FROM GOD, they also think that if these man made laws are not adhered to then they will commit Kufr (disbelief), can you see how it constitutes Shirk?, simply it does because they took these laws as being part of the religion sent by the One and only God, I know this is going to be very hard on many Muslims, it was really hard on me myself a few years back, but Al hamdullelah I refused to continue submitting to what I was fed with since I was a child, it is sort of like being programmed indeed, exactly like how the Christians are programmed, NO BLOODY DIFFERENCE.


To tackle this huge problem facing all Muslims I decided to find what Shirk is according to the Quran, i.e. according to the One and only God, not according to any man made concepts, what I found in the Quran that when Allah talks about the first type of Shirk, He asks the Mushrikoon, <b>”Where is MY PARTNERS”</b>, <b>“Shurakaei”</b>, it looks like this in Arabic <b>” شُرَكَآئِيَ”</b>, can you see how it was said using <b>”MY”</b>, i.e. partners who are gods like Him.


When Allah talks about the second type of Shirk , He asks the Mushrikoon, <b>”Where is YOUR PARTNERS”</b>, <b>“ Shurakaakum”</b>, it looks like this in Arabic <b>” شُرَكَآؤُكُمُ”</b>, can you see how it was said using <b>”YOUR”</b>, it can also be said as <b>“ Shurakaahum”</b> <b>” شُرَكَآؤُهُمْ”</b>, <b>”Their partners”</b> i.e. partners who are the least humans like them but not gods, those human partners (the least) whom were obeyed in laws that were made RELIGIOUS LAWS and have been associated to the One and Only God as if it is ordained by Him.


I know this is tough to comprehend, well the Quran should make this matter clear to us, let’s look at a few verses:


Here is an example showing Allah talking about the first type of Shirk:


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Then, on the Day of Judgment, He will cover them with shame, and say: Where are My 'partners' concerning whom ye used to dispute (with the godly)? Those endued with knowledge will say: This Day, indeed, are the Unbelievers covered with shame and misery,-


<i>[The Quran ; 16:27]</i>


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ثُمَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يُخْزِيهِمْ وَيَقُولُ أَيْنَ شُرَكَآئِيَ الَّذِينَ كُنتُمْ تُشَاقُّونَ فِيهِمْ قَالَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْعِلْمَ إِنَّ الْخِزْيَ الْيَوْمَ وَالْسُّوءَ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ (27)





-> See what Allah will say to the Mushrikoon type I on the JD: <b>”أَيْنَ شُرَكَآئِيَ”</b>, i.e. <b>” Where are My partners”</b>. see the <b>”MY”</b>


Next it will be said to them to call for those partners (gods like Allah):


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One Day He will say, Call on those whom ye thought to be My partners, and they will call on them, but they will not listen to them; and We shall make for them a place of common perdition.


<i>[The Quran ; 18:52]</i>


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وَيَوْمَ يَقُولُ نَادُوا شُرَكَائِيَ الَّذِينَ زَعَمْتُمْ فَدَعَوْهُمْ فَلَمْ يَسْتَجِيبُوا لَهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا بَيْنَهُم مَّوْبِقًا (52)





-> Again see how it was said:<b>” نَادُوا شُرَكَائِيَ الَّذِينَ زَعَمْتُمْ”</b>, <b>” Call on those whom ye thought to be My partners”</b>, see <b>”MY”</b> is used in the verse, i.e. Allah is saying <b>“MY PARTNERS”</b>, i.e. gods like Him. And that is the first type of Shirk, the word <b>” شُرَكَائِيَ”</b>, <b>”Shurakaai”</b> <b>”My Partners”</b> was only used 5 times in the whole Quran (16:27, 18:52, 28:62, 28:74 & 41:47)


<b>To be continued...</b>

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Posted by: Al-fateh - 04-07-2007, 02:31 PM - Forum: Islam - Replies (3)


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Quote:Here are some questions....could you please pass this on to your friends.....the challenge is ....are we susceptible to change by keeping an open mind and accepting the truth...
Did you know that the Quran was written approximately 150 years after Muhammed died. Now Muhammad was illiterate and couldn’t read nor write so hence it is impossible for someone to copy exactly word for word without misinterpreting the concept and message especially as nothing was documented in those days. Now you and I both know that to learn something even a page it has to be read and re-read numerous amounts of times before one can memorize and then how much will one forget in your busy lives. These messages has to pass a generation as well. So was the Qumran really Muhammad’s or Gods message or was this simply a military tactic to strengthen an army and attack and conquer for power and we all know that after the book was established there were wars fought and lands invaded in the name of religion and conversion where people died/raped- what in the name of religion...please understand this for yourselves and don’t get caught in the web of deceit...save yourselves.


Another important fact-Muhammad had to flee from Mecca to Medina as his life was in danger when he tried to tell all that he saw an angel who spoke to him…keep in mind this angel would have had to speak to him for days to give him all the details and since Muhammad could not read nor write he would have had to memorize this and completely understand the concept of what was being said as per the script…this is IMPOSSIBLE…THINK FOR YOURSELVES…now as he said he saw an angel and wanted to make certain changes in the kabba ..you know remove all the statues and have just he senior most. The elders were angry and threatened and so Muhammad fled Mecca. When in Medina he formed a band of people and they raided and plundered and killed for years to become rich and until he had an army large enough to go back and wage war to Mecca. In a bloodless coup he managed to take over Mecca. This is a violent man in search for power......second only to the man who finally wrote the Quran as Gods message and then waging war in his conquests….


Here is more…..


Identified are many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged.


The symbols, the temples, the rituals of modern Islam were practiced by Polytheists before Muhammad was born. Islam is repackaged Polytheism. "Polytheism with a monotheistic veil".


Modern day...copy and paste method... so what did he really contribute... the answer is noting…please read on for the real truth…..


1) Is it TRUE- Muhammad in his youth participated in worshipping all the 360 pagan gods in the Kabah. He was influenced by the Christians ..


Monotheists who condemned polytheism and Muhammad was convinced this was wrong so he sought to reject those 360 Gods he grew up worshipping.


However, being a proud Arab bent on preserving his traditions and so started a different religion; he took the top pagan god in the Kabah called Hubal or Allah and chose this to be his monotheistic god.


Rather than converting all the Arab people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and only god... what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was born.


Historians have identified many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged.


The symbols, the temples and the rituals of modern Islam were practiced by polytheists before Muhammad was born. Islam is Repackaged Polytheism. "Polytheism with a monotheistic veil.


2) Is this TRUE- Archaeologists contradict this claim- the “sound” Hadith itself makes it impossible for Abraham and Ishmael to be the ones who built the Kabah: "I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you."" (Hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari55:636, Narrated Abu Dhaar). This Hadith affirms that the Kaba was actually built long after Abraham and Ishmael had died. Abraham lived about 2000 BC and the Temple was built by Solomon in about 958-951 BC. This implies that the Kabah was built approximately 998-991 BC. If Muhammad is correct, then the Quran is wrong. But if the Quran is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaba, then the Hadith is wrong. Yet, if this particular Hadith is wrong then this throws into question the authenticity of the entire Hadith collections, especially Bukhari's collection which is considered to be the most reliable and authentic collection


3) Is it TRUE- the Pilgrimage to Mecca: "A principal public celebration of the Arabians was an annual pilgrimage, in which tribes who shared a common bond of worship of a deity at a specific sanctuary would reunite there? A pattern of ceremonial procession around the baetyl [the sacred stone] was common, and this pattern may be seen in the surviving Islamic custom of the pilgrimage to Mecca." (Britannica, Arabian Religions, p1059, 1979) Muhammad merely borrowed this wide spread polytheistic worship style and adopted it into Islam as a central rite, same polytheistic pilgrimage under the disguise of a modified monotheism. It is true that in the hajj many pre-Islamic practices were retained, but as has been shown above, the origin of these practices is traceable to Abraham, and every one of them carries with it a spiritual significance. (The Religion ofIslam, Maulana Muhammad Ali, p. 448, 1936, Muslim).


4) Is it TRUE- Praying 5 times a day: Polytheistic worshippers prayed 5 times a day towards their local kava’s. "The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab, Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi, Vol 1, p 121-122, Muslim) Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p. 303)


Worshippers in pagan Sabian religion that worshipped stars were "obliged to pray three times a day" (Preliminary Discourse to the Koran, Sale, 1801) At first, Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews, started directing hisprayers towards Mecca.


Today, monotheistic Muslims pray 5 times a day towards Mecca to Allah. Muhammad grafted this pagan practice into Islam.


5) Is it TRUE- Holy days (friday/fasting during Ramadan): Polytheistic pilgrimage required fasting for the month that begins and ends with the crescent moon for each pagan god. During the holy month of Ramadan (November) Muslims begin and end month long fast exactly the same time and manner as the polytheism that pre-dated Muhammad. Muslim practices such as gathering on Friday and the four sacred months of Islam were also pre-Islamic customs: "In Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-'Arab, we read,'The four sacred months, Rajab, Dhu al-Qa'da, Dhu al-Hijja and Muharram, had been considered sacred during the pre-Islamic period [Jahiliya]. Raids, taking revenge, war, fighting and disputes were forbidden during them. If a man were to meet his enemy whokilled his father or brother during these months, he would not quarrel with him... During the sacred months, [the people] were under restriction not to fight or make raids, and had to remove [their] spearheads as a sign that they would avoid fighting at all costs.'Obviously, Islam borrowed the hallowing of these months from Pre-Islamic Arabsand introduced nothing new into the world." (Is the Qur'an Infallible?, 'Abdallah 'Abd al-Fadi, Light of Life, , p. 127)


6) Is it TRUE- CRESCENT MOON/THE RUN/THE THROW?


*The crescent moon symbol was used since 2100 BC in paganism. Polytheism has extensively used the symbol of the crescent moon as far back as Abraham as hundreds of archeological examples verify. All the Arabs at the Kaba in Mecca worshipped the moon god Hubal. Crescent moon is the official symbol of Islam on top of every Mosque in the world and beside the Kaba on top of the Maqam Ibrahim! It is the last remaining polytheistic remnant of ancient moon worship under a new sanitized monotheistic veil.


*Pagans performed a fast walk between As-Safa and Al-Marwah. Muhammad redefined the meaning while retaining the ritual. Islamic pilgrimage requires a fast walk between As-Safa and Al-Marwah


*The polytheistic pilgrimages required throwing stones at the devil. Muhammad retained this concept where the Islamic pilgrimage requires throwing pebbles at three fixed points in Mina, which represent evil. The pilgrim throws rocks over his shoulder at the three stone pillars which he has been told will frighten away the "djinn" or demons which the stone pillars represent.


8) Is it TRUE- Allah: "The verses of the Qur’an make it clear that the very name Allah existed in the Jahiliyya or pre-Islamic Arabia? Certain pagan tribes believed in a god whom they called ‘Allah’ and whom they believed to be the creator of heaven and earth and ho

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