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  Salaaam All
Posted by: Princess - 07-17-2006, 02:45 AM - Forum: General - Replies (13)


salaam alaikum all


im princess and im new here as u can c so welcome me please :D


hi nasra. how are u sweety, im old frend frm NZ :)


i wanna to email u in private but i dont knw hw ths forum works :rolleyes,


hella bck


salaam alaikum

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  A little update on what's happening in Trinidad Islamically
Posted by: naseeha - 07-17-2006, 12:31 AM - Forum: General - No Replies


Salaam All...


Jus a couple of updates of the Da'wah work here in my country.


I. KHALID YASSIN'S VISIT.


Khalid Yassin Visited our shores for a tour this weekend... The tour started friday.. He was brought down by the Islamic Broadcasting Network. Based here in my county. So far from his tour (Fiday to now) abour 15 - 18 people have reverted to islam, Including an old woman who had the entire audience on the verge of tears as she asked her questions about how her life will change.. subhanallah


2.RAIHAN


Hey we had a recent concert with Raihan.. OMG... IT WAS EXCELLENT>... I wish the whole islammessage crew was there. WOOOWWW great... I really enjoyed it. There was something i didnt agree with but other than that. SUBHANALLAH... you would be amazed to see the kind of music just 3 different types of drums could make... woow... i got the opportunity just to meet them for like a sec or so..


Well that's the latest... the da'wah effort continues and we are never too filled up to ask for help... if anyone wishes to help in anyway that they can then be my guest.... all are welcome


Wa salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah..


naseeha

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  Something smells fishy
Posted by: arclight - 07-16-2006, 06:58 PM - Forum: General - Replies (5)


I once heard someone say that it is its food that defines a nation, so with that in mind, and my choice of avatar, is anyone willing to share a few recipes for fish?


I must admit I'm no cook, and usually just milk and flour, then fry them and maybe some herbs thrown in, so I'm not really going to be much help to this thread :unsure:

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  Freedom in Islam?
Posted by: Deen - 07-15-2006, 10:20 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (11)


On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:


The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "This world is prison for the believer, and Paradise for the disbeliever."


(Muslim)


Note: This Hadith means that this world is like a prison for the believer because of the limitations of the commandments he is required to follow. No mater how happy a believer is in this world, he will be so much happier in the next world; so comparatively, this world will seem like a jail. Muslims have no choice but to live their lives within the 4 walls of the shariah.


Also, this world is like a Paradise for the disbeliever because he can indulge himself without limitation.


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This would mean there is no such thing as freedom in Islam, or am I wrong?

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  Melchizedek
Posted by: Curious Christian - 07-15-2006, 03:26 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (10)


Previous topic somebody brought up Melchizdek.


Here is what we know about him from the Bible:


We see in Gen 14 the following:


<b>18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: </b>


“ Blessed be Abram of God Most High,


Possessor of heaven and earth;


20 And blessed be God Most High,


Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”


And he gave him a tithe of all.


We are introduced to Melchizedek. His name literally means, "king of righteousness". The introduction of him emphasizes that he was a king as a well as a priest. This mirrors the nature of Christ very closely as Christ is also a king and our high priest. The fact that Melchizek blessed Abram made the writer of Hebrews indicate that he was greater than Abraham.


Hebrews 7, the other place where we get a glimpse of Melchizedek says the following:


<b> 1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.</b>


4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. 5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; 6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better. 8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. 9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.


11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.


14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.[a] 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies:


The belief that Melchizedek was like Christ rests on three erroneous assumptions about Hebrews 7:3.



The first is the argument that since Melchizedek is said to be without father, mother, and genealogy, he has to be eternal and therefore the Son of God. However, many have failed to see that the author does not use the terms "without father" (apatoor), "without mother" (ametoor), and "without genealogy" (agenealogetos) literally in this passage.



The concept presented by the author is not that Melchizedek lacked an actual father, mother, or family tree, but that there is no record of his parents and lineage. The Mosaic law required that all priests be descendants of the tribe of Levi. Those who were not Levites could not be priests under the law. Melchizedek is introduced in Genesis 14:18-20 as priest of the Most High God, but no details are given about him. Under the law, he was not qualified to be a priest.



<strong> “ You are a priest forever</strong>

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According to the order of Melchizedek.”
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<strong>
Nehemiah 7:61-64 shows that priests had to be able to trace their lineage when the priesthood was reestablished after the Babylonian captivity. Those who were unable to do so were disqualified from the priesthood
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</strong><b><strong>NEHEMIAH 7:61 And these were the ones who came up from Tel Melah, Tel Harsha, Cherub, Addon, and Immer, but they could not identify their father's house nor their lineage, whether they were of Israel: 62 the sons of Delaiah, the sons of Tobiah, the sons of Nekoda, six hundred and forty-two; 63 and of the priests: the sons of Habaiah, the sons of Koz, the sons of Barzillai, who took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called by their name. 64 These sought their listing among those who were registered by genealogy, but it was not found; therefore they were excluded from the priesthood as defiled. </strong></b><strong> </strong>

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The second mistaken assumption is that Melchizedek had no beginning or end, and therefore must be the immortal Son of God. The term "beginning of days and end of life" refers to the lack of information in the Scriptures regarding his origin or demise. The Abingdon Bible Commentary says that in Hebrews 7:3, the author "makes a very remarkable use of the argument from silence. Nothing is said in Genesis about the parentage of Melchizedek. We are not told anything about his father or his mother. There is no reference to the beginning of his life or to its end - to his birth or to his death . . . In view of the writer the silences of Scripture are as significant as its statements . . ."
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The third erroneous assumption is that Melchizedek continues as a priest to this day. One might conclude from the statement "Melchizedek remains a priest continually" that he is still alive and holding the office of priest. Again, this is not the point the author of Hebrews is trying to make. In effect, he is using the argument from silence to say that "since the Bible is silent about the death of Melchizedek, we can figuratively contend that he is alive and remains in the office of priest." In this way he is an appropriate type of the priesthood of the Jesus Christ.
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<strong>
It's plain from the original Greek text, from an understanding of rabbinical forms of argument, and from what the Bible reveals elsewhere, that Melchizedek was not Christ before his human birth. Melchizedek was a historical figure, the priest of Almighty God who lived in the days of Abraham. Very little is known about him other than the fact he was the priest-king of Salem (Jerusalem). Obviously he was named to the office of priest by God and not by the requirements of the law. Therefore, he is a fitting type of the spiritual priesthood of Christ.
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</strong><strong>link to note</strong>

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  Dialogue.
Posted by: wel_mel_2 - 07-15-2006, 04:52 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (6)


Bismillah:


A question was asked to Brother Yusuf Estes (former Christian preacher who embraced Islam few years ago) by "born Again Christian” during online dialogue between both of them.... I just would like to share his answer.


<b>Q;</b>


But if you are saying you knew the <b>JESUS mentioned in the bible </b> and <b>then also you accepted Islam </b> . . .?


<b>A;</b>


The more that I searched for the "Jesus" of the Bible <b>in sincerity and honesty</b>, <b>the more that Allah led me to know the true "Jesus" and what his message really was</b>. He was telling the people <b>not to change the Word of God</b> and <b>not to worship anyone alongside of God</b>. He was calling himself by the title of the prophets mentioned in the Old Testament; <b>"Son of Man." </b> This is clear when you compare the statements in Ezekiel.


<b>Jesus was doing his miracles by the permission of Allah</b>, the Almighty. <b>He did nothing on his own</b>, but rather by <b>the One who sent him </b> in the first place. This is the understanding in Islam and the teachings in what remains of the Holy Bible.


To read the full dialogue between brother Yusuf and the questioner, please click here


Islam Tomorrow


Salam


Wael

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  What does Allah u Akbar mean?
Posted by: Curious Christian - 07-14-2006, 10:13 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (1)

Allah u Akbar definition?

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  Israeli aircraft have attacked the headquarters of Hezbollah's leader in Beirut.
Posted by: Muslimah - 07-14-2006, 08:24 PM - Forum: Current Affairs - Replies (7)


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AF2...EA595F2D4B1.htm


Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah was uninjured in the attack.


An Israeli army spokeswoman declined to comment on whether it was an attempt to kill the group's leader.


In an audio message shortly after the attack Nasrallah declared "open war" on Israel.


"You wanted an open war, you will get an open war," he said.


Earlier on Friday, the Israeli air force renewed attacks on a southern suburb of Beirut, targeting a radio station belonging to Hezbollah.


A missile was fired in the vicinity of the Al-Nour station, in the Haret Hreik neighborhood, but missed the facility and struck an apartment in a residential building instead.


The Israeli offensive against Lebanon, in which more than 60 Lebanese have died, follows Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers.


Israeli vessel attacked


Hezbollah has continued rocket attacks on northern Israel, killing four civilians in the last two days.


A mother and daughter died in an attack on the town of Meron on Friday, while two Israelis died in attacks on Thursday.


Several more people were injured in the town of Safed.


An Israeli naval vessel involved in the blockade of Lebanon was also damaged in an attack but there were no reports of casualties.


UN debate


In an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on Friday, Lebanon called for an end to Israel's offensive.


At the meeting, Bashar Jaafari, Syria's ambassador to the UN, complained that he was not allowed to speak.


Jaafari said: "My country is a concerned party, since there have been direct Israeli and American threats against my country.


"In spite of this destabilisation of peace and security in the region, we were not given the right to speak and to address the council by the chair of the Security Council."


During the debate, John Bolton, US ambassador to the UN, said: "Syria and Iran must be held to account for supporting regional terrorism and their role in the current crisis."


The debate ended with no decision on Beirut's demand for a call for an immediate end to Israeli air strikes on its territory.


Bismillah




Quote:http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AF2...EA595F2D4B1.htm


Israeli vessel attacked


Hezbollah has continued rocket attacks on northern Israel, killing four civilians in the last two days.


A mother and daughter died in an attack on the town of Meron on Friday, while two Israelis died in attacks on Thursday.


Several more people were injured in the town of Safed.


An Israeli naval vessel involved in the blockade of Lebanon was also damaged in an attack but there were no reports of casualties.

Allah u Akbar

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  FAO suhail
Posted by: arclight - 07-14-2006, 06:21 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (5)

Do you happen to live anywhere near the Leeds/Bradford area? I have a question for if you do.

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  Interesting Article on the cannon of scripture
Posted by: Curious Christian - 07-13-2006, 08:33 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


The thread about the origin of the Quran got me thinking and I wanted to provide the following for contrast.


<b>Question: "What is the canon of Scripture?"</b>


<b>Answer: </b> This is a very important question because Christianity does not start by defining God, or Jesus Christ, or salvation. The basis of Christianity is found in the authority of Scripture. If we can't identify what is Scripture, then we can't properly distinguish any theological truth from error.


The word "canon" comes from the rule of law that was used to determine if a book measured up to a standard. But it is important to note that the writings of Scripture were canonical at the moment they were written. Scripture was Scripture when the pen touched the parchment.


Concerning a measure or standard used to determine which books should be classified as Scripture, a key verse to understanding the process and purpose and perhaps timing of the giving of Scripture is Jude 3, which states that a Christian's faith "was once for all delivered to the saints." Since our faith is defined by Scripture, Jude is essentially saying that Scripture was given once, for the benefit of all Christians. Isn't it wonderful to know that there are no hidden or lost manuscripts yet to be found, there are no secret books only familiar to a select few, there are no people alive who have special revelation requiring us to trek up a Himalayan mountain in order to be enlightened?!! We can be confident that God has not left us without a witness. The same supernatural power God used to produce His word has also been used to preserve it.


Psalm 119:160 states that the entirety of God's word is truth. Starting with that premise, we can compare writings outside the accepted canon of Scripture to see if they meet the test. As an example, the Bible claims that Jesus Christ is God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1, 2, 14; 20:28; Acts 16:31, 34; Philippians 2:5-6; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1). Yet many extra-biblical texts, imagining to be Scripture, argue that Jesus is not God. When clear contradictions exist, the established Bible is to be trusted, leaving the others outside the sphere of Scripture.


In the early centuries of the church, Christians were sometimes put to death for possessing copies of Scripture (in those days books were in individual scrolls, not bound together in one binding as today). Because of this persecution, the question soon came up, "What books are worth dying for?" Some books may have contained sayings of Jesus, but were they inspired as stated in 2 Timothy 3:16? Church counsels played a role in publicly recognizing the "canon" of Scripture, but often an individual church or groups of churches recognized a book as inspired from its writing (e.g. Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Throughout the early centuries of the church few books were ever disputed and the list was basically settled by A.D. 303.


When it came to the Old Testament, they had two important facts to consider: 1) Jesus quoted from every Old Testament book but two, and effectively endorsed the Hebrew canon in Matthew 23:35 when He cited one of the first narratives and one of the last in the Scriptures of His day. 2) The Jews were meticulous in preserving the Old Testament Scriptures, and they had few controversies over what parts belong or do not belong. The Roman Catholic Apocrypha did not measure up and fell outside of the definition of Scripture, and have never been accepted by the Jews.


Most questions about what books belong in the Bible dealt with writings from the time of Christ and forward. The early church had some very specific criteria in order for books to be considered as part of the New Testament. These included: Was the book written by someone who was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ? Did the book pass the "truth test"? (i.e. did it concur with other, already agreed upon Scripture?). The New Testament books they accepted back then have endured the test of time and Christian orthodoxy has embraced these, with little challenge, for centuries.


Confidence in the acceptance of specific books date back to the first century recipients, who offered firsthand testimony to their authenticity. Furthermore, the end-time subject matter of the book of Revelation, and the prohibition of adding to the words of the book in 22:18, argues strongly that the canon was closed at the time of its writing (c. A.D. 95).


There is an important theological point that we should not miss. God has used His word for millennia for one primary purpose: To communicate Himself to mankind. The church councils did not declare if a book was Scripture or not, God decided that when the human author was chosen by Him to write. In order to accomplish the end result, including the preservation of His word through the centuries, God guided the early church councils in their recognition of the canon.


The acquisition of knowledge regarding such things as the true nature of God, the origin of the universe and life, the purpose and meaning of life, the wonders of salvation, and future events (including the destiny of mankind) are beyond the natural observational and scientific capacity of mankind. The already delivered word of God, valued and personally applied by Christians for centuries, is sufficient to explain to us everything we need to know of Christ (John 5:18; Acts 18:28; Galatians 3:22; 2 Timothy 3:15) and to teach us, correct us, and instruct us into all righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16).


Link to artilce

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