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  Is it possible for God to come in Human form?
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-18-2006, 02:07 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (8)


<b>Is it possible for God to come in Human form?</b>






How can one argue that the Lord cannot come down in the human form? If He is incapable of doing so, He cannot be omnipotent. One need not argue that though the Lord is capable, there is no necessity of such human form. You may not have that necessity. Are you the only human being on this whole earth? Have you taken the opinion of all the human beings to say like this? There are several devotees who belong to Nivrutti and desire for the Lord in human form to see (Darsanam), to touch (Sparsanam), to hear the knowledge and clarify their doubts (Sambhashanam) and to live along with the Lord (Sahavasa) for achieving these three for a long time. The main purpose is preaching the divine knowledge and clarify the doubts.


The statues or photos or energetic forms or space cannot preach the knowledge and that is against the universal observation (perception). Preaching of the knowledge by the human forms of the Lord like Krishna, Jesus etc is observed universally and accepted perception. Such universal observation is according to the rules of the nature. When something is possible through a simple way by following the rules of the nature, is it not foolish to do the same simple thing in the complicated way violating the rules of the nature? When water is available in plenty from the tap, what is the necessity of producing water by forcing Hydrogen and Oxygen to react with the help of an electric arc? To show the production of the water by this reaction, this experiment can be performed once but not every time whenever water is required. To show the super power of the Lord a statue or a photo or the energetic form or even formless space may talk once.


But to preach the spiritual knowledge continuously, the Lord need not talk continuously through statues or photos or energetic forms or space. Some devotee might have experienced such super power in some place and in some time. Such experience is not supported by simultaneous universal observation. When you are seeing the moon in the sky, others are also observing the same moon simultaneously. This is required to authorise any experience. When this authorisation is absent, your experience may be true or might have been due to some psychological disorder. The existence of such psychic experience is also observed in this world. Therefore we cannot isolate the possibility of these two cases in your experience


Therefore there is a necessity for the human form of the Lord and since the Lord is omnipotent, He is coming down in the human form. There cannot be any further argument on this point. I know you are worried that the Lord is modified into the human body and thus the unchangeable Lord has to be changed. Do not worry about this point, because the Lord is never modified into the human body. He only entered into the human body. The word “Asritam” in the verse of Gita “Manushim tanumasritam” means the entry of the Lord into the human body and not the modification of the Lord as a human body. Lord Krishna in Gita clarified this in the verse “Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam”.

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  It is very difficult to accept the human incarnation while alive.
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-18-2006, 02:04 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


<b>It is very difficult to accept the human incarnation while alive.</b>



Only very few blessed souls who are already liberated and accompanied the Lord to help Him in His mission can recognize and serve the living human form of God. The repulsion to accept a co-human being even as a greater person is very difficult. Then you can never imagine any human being to accept another human being as greatest God. The human form of God is just similar to any human being.


If any specialty is exhibited, people fear and run away. To become close to the human beings, no specialty should be exhibited. If the closeness is achieved, the recognition is lost. To get recognition if some super natural aspect is exhibited, the closeness is lost. Between closeness and recognition, which is better to be retained at the cost of the other? The recognition destroys the freedom to discuss with the Lord and clarify the doubts.


When Krishna was looking as an ordinary human being, Arjuna bombarded Him with all questions and clarified His doubts. However, when Krishna was in the state of cosmic form (Viswarupam), Arjuna shivered with fear and no question could come out. The brain was blocked with shock and even the doubts did not arise. When the doubts remain un-cleared, the ignorance continues. Therefore closeness is better than recognition.


The husband hears the advices from the wife in close association. Therefore through closeness, even if the identification is not there, the soul can be guided into the right path through convincing the soul by preaching. Instead of convincing the soul by exhibiting the super power, which induces the conviction though fear, it is better to induce the conviction through the super talent exhibited in preaching. Even if you think of the human incarnation as a preacher (Guru), there is nothing wrong. If you do not recognize Him as God, His crown has not fallen on the ground.


I will just give an example. One woman was a very close devotee. She even used to argue and fight with Me on the points of the spiritual knowledge. One day, she quarreled with Me for not showing any divine vision. The Lord in Me gave a shocking vision of God Dattatreya. She became unconscious for one hour and even got a mild heart attack. From that day onwards, whenever she comes to Me, she is always with terrible fear. She simply accepts whatever I preach. The recognition has come but the closeness is lost.


Therefore Jesus said, “Those who believed Me without proof are really blessed”. This means that the devotees who recognized the Lord through the knowledge always have close freedom and clarify all their doubts and hence they are blessed. They gain the complete devotion. If the proof is shown, the closeness is lost and the gap appears. The doubts are not cleared due to fear. Neither the devotee nor the God enjoys the close association.


The realization will never come because the ignorance remains due to un-cleared doubts. Therefore the theoretical recognition arrived through the knowledge is always the best. The practical proof develops not only fear but also the attitude to fulfill the desires and solve the problems using the divine power. The attention is diverted from the path of realization. The real bond of love can never be formed. If the power is recognized, the whole situation is diverted. The mentality is always towards tapping the powers towards personal solutions.


The commercial bond grows. The friendship becomes more and more intensive if the qualities of the human form of God become more and more similar. I heard some people telling that Sri Satya Sai was printing notes and smuggling the foreign goods! I told them that this allegation is false in the case of Sri Satya Sai, but I told them that in future God has to come in human form with such talents also so that the smugglers approach Him closely and slowly get salvation.


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami


Anil Antony


www.universal-spirituality.org


Universal Spirituality for World Peace


antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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  Who created God
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-18-2006, 02:01 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (13)


<b>Who created God</b>



God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.


Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul. Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and soul.


For the sake of entertainment, God desired to create the Universe. This statement is in Veda (Sa dviteeya Maicchat). In this statement there is a very subtle intermediate stage, which is the essence of the desire to create the Universe. The desire to create the world is like the golden ornament but the essence of such desire is like the raw gold in which the ornament is not yet expressed. Such raw essence of the desire is pure awareness. The pure awareness is a special subtle form of energy, which is not qualified by any form. Such pure awareness is called as the spirit, which is not qualified and does not have any attribute. This is called as “Nirguna Brahman”, which means the pure awareness, which has no reference to the creation of the universe. It is a very critical and subtle point to recognize the pure awareness. Veda says that only very very sharp intelligence can grasp that critical state (Drushyate Tvagraya bhuddhya). Sankara, the topmost genius among the spiritual preachers could grasp that state and proposed the concept of Nirguna Brahman or non-qualified pure awareness. Such pure awareness is the first creation of God (Parabrahman). This first creation is almost as critical and unimaginable as the very Parabrahman itself. The only difference is that Parabrahman is absolutely unimaginable for any sharp intelligence, but this pure awareness is imaginable only for a very sharp intelligence. This pure awareness is called as Mula Prakriti or Suddha Sattvam or Mula Avidya or Mula Maya or the Spirit in general. The Parabrahman maintains such spirit and it is only an associated item and is the first created item. The word Mula means the first. This spirit is in the form of knowledge. It is aware of itself, which means that it is knowledge. Knowledge requires both subjective and objective characteristics. It is subject as well as the object. Therefore, it is called as knowledge or Sattvam. This knowledge is the first form of energy.


Energy is always active. Action is the characteristic of Rajas. Such Spirit is unaware of its own creator who is the God. Therefore, it is having ignorance or Tamas. Thus, the Knowledge itself is action and ignorance. According to Gita Knowledge is Sattvam (Sattvaat Sanjayate Jnanam), action is Rajas (Rajah Karmani) and Ignorance is Tamas (Tamastva Jnanajam). Thus these three qualities are always inseparable. The pure knowledge (Suddha Sattvam) itself is pure action (Suddha Rajas), which is the pure ignorance (Suddha Tamas). Thus in the very first instant itself the three qualities are created simultaneously in the purest state. Since all these three co-exist, it is called as equilibrium of the three qualities. When the equilibrium is disturbed various items of awareness result in which the three qualities exist in various proportions. Such disturbance of the equilibrium resulting in various distorted items of the three qualities is the very creation. The various mixtures of these three qualities constitute this diversified universe, which is meant for the play of the God and for His entertainment. When the entertainment is over all the three qualities go into the equilibrium state. Thus the Universe is converted into Mula Prakruti.


God is in association with this Mula Prakruti in the beginning. At this stage the Mula Prakruti is only a creation or created item and cannot do anything further. Its equilibrium continues. In fact the Mula Prakruti is only inert and the continuation of such equilibrium is the inertia. God enters the Mula Prakruti and pervades it. Now this Mula Prakruti is electrified wire. It is the ignited stick and is called as fire. Now this Mula Prakruti becomes divine and is called as Brahman or the Holy Spirit. The Spirit, which is just the inert created item became Holy due to the existence of God in it. Now Brahman multiplies its little part of the Mula Prakruti in which, Parabrahman does not exist. This means that God enters ninety nine percent of Mula Prakruti and not one percent. This little part of un-divine Mula Prakruti is multiplied by the disturbed equilibrium and the Universe appears. Thus, the pure awareness in which God pervaded becomes Brahman. Now Brahman becomes the spectator of the Universe. The little pure awareness into which God did not enter is modified into the Universe in which God does not exist. Here the modification does not mean materialization. The modification means the undisturbed equilibrium being converted into disturbed equilibrium. In both the states the substance is only awareness. You can compare this to a day-dreamer’s mind. The mind of the day-dreamer is Mula Prakruti. A little part of the mind is converted into dream. The mind, which is not converted, is a spectator of the dream. The dreamer is identified with the spectator part of the mind. Thus the dreamer is witnessing the dream through his unmodified mind. The dreamer has not entered the dream and therefore is not multiplied.


When the dream city is burning neither the spectator part of the mind is burnt nor the dreamer. The spectator part of the mind itself can be treated as the dreamer because the dreamer entered that spectator part of the mind and exists in it. Thus, Brahman, the spectator of the Universe can be treated as Parabrahman. Such Parabrahman who is the spectator of the Universe is called as Eeshwara. Thus, Parabrahman is the original unimaginable creator. Mula Prakrithi is the first created item, which is the pure awareness. Brahman is the major part of pure awareness in which Parabrahman entered and occupied it. The same Brahman enjoying the Universe by vision is called as Eeshwara. Neither Parabrahman nor Brahman nor the Eeswara has entered the Universe, which is the disturbed equilibrium of the three qualities. Thus, there is no disturbance in either Parabrahman or Brahman or Eeshwara. In Christianity God is Parabrahman. Brahman and Eeshwara are called as the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is the substance with which the Universe is made of. The spirit is not Holy because God did not occupy it. Thus the Universe is not Holy in Toto. It is Holy with reference to the good devotees and the divine incarnations. It is unholy with reference to bad living beings and Saturn. Parabrahman who is a spectator for sometime develops a desire to enter this Universe in the form of a living being especially as a human being because the main aim is to preach the divine knowledge.


Veda says the same (Tadevaanu Praavishat). This divine human being in which, Parabrahman or Brahman or Eeshwara exists is called as human incarnation or God in Flesh. The human incarnation consists of four items. The first item is God. The second item is the Mula Prakruti, which is the pure awareness or Brahman or Aatman or Karana Sareeram (Casual Body). The third item is the disturbed equilibrium of the three qualities called as Jeeva or Sukshma Sareera (Subtle Body). The fourth item is the Gross body made of five elements (Sthula Sareera) which is again imaginary only in view of God but a materialized form in view of other human beings. If you analyse any ordinary living being it contains all the three bodies except God. If we analyse any inert item of the world it contains only the Gross Body made of the five elements.






<b>God should be understood as the unimaginable creator. Next God can be understood as the unimaginable spectator of the world. Lastly, God should be understood as the unimaginable actor who has entered the Universal Drama in the form of Human Incarnation.</b>


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami


Anil Antony

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  Why Mecca?
Posted by: Steve Consilvio - 09-18-2006, 01:14 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (20)


I think there is a lot of golden calf type worship in all of the world's religions (and non-religions, too.)


For example, the Jews have the wailing wall, Catholics have the Vatican, etc., sacred objects abound. The Statue of Liberty or Mount Rushmore are other such icons of men worshiping things that they made with their hands.


As I understand it, Mecca is just a big brick.


Even if it were the site where Abraham entertained God, why would that make the site special? It strikes me that it is just another form of pagan worship, only the object chosen is different.


The reverence towards inanimate objects and places pollutes and distracts from The Spirit.

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  The Instruction
Posted by: WITNESS THE REAL - 09-18-2006, 03:36 AM - Forum: General - Replies (119)


This instruction to you is not another version, it is The Truth. Understand this: No one can go wrong in the purity of worshiping God in spirit and truth, That is the first and last way to worship God. Do not take the prophets and servants of “The God” as God with God or besides God. There is no God but “The God”. There is no trinity of “gods” that comprise His nature and there is no reason to violate His command: “The Lord God is One” Once again it is clear that God has commanded one way and for man to change the Pure way results in perversity. The term baptize in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are no more an indication of three in one as is the term On earth as it is in Heaven is an indication of a two in one relation. The word “Father” means creator, the word “Son” means servant and the words “Holy Spirit” mean the pure essence that proceeds from God that unifies the will of the creator with his servant. This is how God becomes “Father” in term and This is how servant becomes “Son” in term. In regards to Jesus The Christ however the term “Son” happens because of the pure essence that proceeded from God to cause him to “be”. It is the unification of the Will of God with the will of His Servant by the power of Gods divine grace and mercy that communion is achieved.


This is the instruction: Communion with God is not achieved by the vain denial of things called worldly. So many so-called religious teachers are creating so much false righteousness. You are not righteous because you don’t take drugs, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, play cards, go dancing or any other so-called worldly recreation. In-fact these things are no more worldly than not doing them. There are some who treat there wives as mothers or worse, as dogs are they righteous? Of course not. Your Worship of God and Your godly relationship with others is the criteria for righteousness. These false teachers tell you to abstain from this and that and in-fact you should only abstain from your dis-belief and whatever else the Witness relates to you as forbidden.


There are some religions that drink blood or use blood for rituals and they sacrifice some animals for such and such reasons but this is forbidden to you these are the false religions of Satan. God has revealed to man with ritual many practical things like how to properly slaughter and cook an animal for food, how to clean and bathe oneself, how to build ships and palaces and even how to read.


All the rituals of God have been geared to educate man. For, there is nothing truly that a man can do or not do, that can take away from or add to the Kingdom of God. God is All-sufficient in Himself.


The Atheist think they can escape the truth,


Say: Think about it, you sit there with your vast knowledge (not kidding) and you go around using your God given creativity and talents and then you enjoy all the benefit of being human and then arrogantly you deny your Ultimate Creator. The truth is you can't even stop something as insignificant as a mosquito from biting you, and in some cases killing you.


Say: You see how God uses parables to make things clear. You should be thankful but how can you be thankful and who can you be thankful to? If there is no God, then there is no one to be grateful to. There is no god but God! You are sitting there breathing not knowing which breath will be your last and after that last breath you assume it will be all over but don’t you know that the Resurrection is True and you will face the judgement? Yes, In the end you will be helpless to thwart off the truth or deny it. Yes, you will be just as helpless as you are now against a tiny mosquito.


When I speak of Hell to someone, I talk about it to terrify them, to make them cringe at such an evil place and change their arrogance into humility and this is why I speak of Hell. Is it a real place? Yes! But I don't speak of it to condemn anyone to it, I speak of it to drive them from that direction, that is what the word “repent” means, it means to turn back.


This is the instruction: It is predetermined who will go to Heaven and who will go to Hell. Now, what does that mean when I say it is already determined in-fact “predetermined” Is this life about destiny? Is this life about fate? Is that what I am saying to you? Let’s examine this and see what is the conclusion. What is the most efficient way for life to proceed? The most efficient way for any purpose to be reached is to establish in advance the solution, and cut off or decide any alternate route for the purpose to be reached to be an act that is out-law. In other words, God has solved and we must resolve through the exercise of choice in making a firm decision and cutting off any alternate route other than the Will of God, this is the ultimate bliss and most efficient way. This is the Honest way, when you go off course of what you purpose(meaning good purposes) you are out of the Will of God from that moment and at that moment you are lost in the desert. The most efficient way then is to turn back(repent) and get on purpose.


You see, there is no “free” will outside the will of God, as it will have an expense, so it would be accurate to say that, “we exercise choice”. It is vital that a person restrain their selection to the God given choices. Let’s go back to the garden and see things a little more clearly. God gave the man and woman a wide selection of fruits with no consequences and a single restriction of “not exercising their ability to exercise a choice that was restricted”. Now Satan called the fruit a choice piece of fruit so in other words a “perfect choice” he said could be made. This choice would cause one to die which means to give. Satan said, “You will not die but become like God knowing good and evil.” The fact is when they disobeyed they did in fact die which means to give, and what they gave up was their piety and that was all they possessed that they could give away so they became naked and ashamed, but God Almighty who is most merciful forgave them and saved them from waste which means to become empty. So, instead of wasting them they were put out into a wasteland or an empty space. This is most efficient to show what you almost lost on the inside with what you can see on the outside. If they had been in a wasteland to begin with, they would have not known forgiveness, nor would they appreciate paradise.


This is the instruction: God gave man the ability to freely choose out of the selection given to him and man used this handy tool to acquire the capability(which means “to take”) to choose outside the provided selection. In other words, God did not give man free choice to obey or disobey. Man took his God given ability and missed the point(sinned).


God historically works the same continuous way. One seed eventually becomes the whole tree. You must grow through the correct sequence if you try to go around the proper sequence you will miss the point(sin).


Do not go out of sequence and do not miss the point. You must worship God first and foremost. They say, “We have a secret, follow us and we will tell it to you and you will have good health, wealth and knowledge. “ They say “Think Positive, follow the spiritual laws of the universe”. They say all these things but what they really are saying is break sequence. I am saying “I don’t have a secret, God is Real! Think about God, follow God!”

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  Why Mohammed told He was the last prophet?
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-18-2006, 03:18 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (3)


<b>Why Mohammed told He was the last prophet?</b>



Rohit: Swami! In Quran, it is stated that Mohammed is not father of any one.


Further it is stated there that He is the last Prophet sent by God.


What is the inner meaning of this, if this verse is genuine statement?


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Swami: Oh Rohit! You have picked up very crucial concept of spirituality.


This statement is original and therefore it entered your mind.


The inner meaning of this verse is based on the angle, which you take


For the word Mohammed, here the word Mohammed stands only


For the external human form and not the internal eternal God.


Islam does not agree to the concept of human incarnation.


When Bible says the word Jesus, it means the internal eternal God.


When the Gita says Krishna, He means the same eternal God.


Because both Christianity and Hinduism believe God in flesh.


We need not criticise Islam for not believing Human Incarnation,


Because the main idea is that there is always misuse of this concept.


The human beings claim themselves as human incarnations.


Every human being following the philosophy of Advaita in Hinduism


Feels that it is the Lord, this is very dangerous extrapolation.


Even devils and demons claimed themselves as eternal God


By doing certain miracles after achieving some super powers.


All these dangerous misleading cases harm the devotees.


In the name of idol worship also, priests have exploited devotees.


They keep idols in front and rob the wealth of devotees.


To avoid all these misleading misused concepts, Islam sorted


To the worship of formless aspect of God, we appreciate this.


But because of misuses we cannot deny basic system itself.


If copying is happening, it should be arrested by taking care.


We cannot cancel the very examination system for the fear of


This misuse, we are not avoiding the journey by buses and trains


Due to possibility of accidents, the human incarnation is important.


That is the only path to reach God as said by Jesus because


The human beings approach God only through human form.


The devotees can get full satisfaction and full guidance only


From the human incarnation and not from any other form of God.


Of course, if you fear for the exploitation of this concept here,


It is better to stick to formless God or God through statues.


But you should be prepared for the disadvantages in the above ways.


You will also loose the golden chance provided by God for your sake.


Yet, Islam should be appreciated because avoiding danger is good.


Such decision was taken by Islam depending on the circumstances


And the atmosphere prevailed over the society during the time of Mohammed.


We should understand the religion from the point of the circumstances


And the environment that existed during the propagation at that time.


But now the scientific logical analysis is well developed and one need not fear


For the exploitation by the false human incarnations who can be easily


Identified, so you should not avoid the system in the present circumstances.


Islam is not a new concept to the Hinduism because in Hinduism


The philosophy of Madhva says the same and preaches that the Lord


Can never become the human being nor vice versa and this is also stated


By Jesus when He told that He was the Messenger sent by God.


Thus Islam agrees with Hinduism and Christianity in its basic concept.


Mohammed told that He was the last prophet because He did not like


Another false human incarnation to come and mislead and exploit the mass.


It is only to avoid the danger of exploitation of cunning human beings.


What is the reason for Islam not to accept the human incarnation?


Even Mohammed said that He was only the servant of God and He did not claim


Himself as the human incarnation, even though He Himself knows the truth


That He is the God in Flesh like Buddha or Krishna or Jesus.


This reason enlightens the greatness of Islam Religion, the reason is that


Once a real human incarnation is accepted, several fraud human incarnations


Claim themselves as God and mislead the spiritual aspirants for their selfish ends.


In fact such concept was so much polluted and got so much diluted


So that every human being started thinking that he himself is God.


In Hinduism this misinterpretation rules the minds of several people


Even today and most people think “Aham Brahmaasmi”, which means


“I am God”, people say that service to human beings is service to God


Because every human being is God only, Sankara condemned this concept


Which was a religion called Loka Sevaka Matam, when Jesus was worshipped


By a lady who was using some special scent to wash His divine lotus feet,


A disciple told that the cost of the scent could have been used to serve the beggars


The disciple thought that service to society is better than the personal service


Of the Lord, but Jesus immediately replied, “Let her do this service, beggars


Are always present in this world but I come rarely to this world”, this shows


That the Lord is far greater than the society and the social service is valid only


When the Lord gives permission to do so, because the saviour is the Lord


And not the society, thus the background of Islam should be properly understood.

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  Nun murdered in retaliation for what Pope said
Posted by: Curious Christian - 09-17-2006, 09:03 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (17)


Link


Italian nun. Dedicated her life to helping poor and sick in Africa shot in the back by Somali gunman.

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  Asanas
Posted by: WITNESS THE REAL - 09-17-2006, 06:01 PM - Forum: General - Replies (60)


If I am correct then I should receive the most understanding here in relaying this message.


You see, I am Asana Bodhitharta and I am The Witness of The Most High and He did give me a divine revelation in which I wrote down in a book. The progressive revelation is the divine revelation that comes down in succesive stages to produce light upon light.


There is no "gods" but One GOD and there are no religions except one religion. All denominations or sects are degenerations of The Religion.


The last complete stage of the divine revelation was that of Islam and the Word of God The Glorious Quaran. But now there is the stage of Asanas(The gracious one of God)


The Christians who were of the stage before the Muslim were in serious degeneration during the time ALLAH sent doen the Quaran and even today they have hundreds of denominations(degenerations)


They do not understand that every good Christian is a Muslim by definition. If any one Submits to God he is a Muslim, period.


When God was training me to bring this stage forth, I thought to myself there is no way to accomplish such a large task, but God is Mighty, Wise!


He showed me how Jesus didn't die on the cross and that was before I studied the Quaran, so imagine how my faith was strengthened when he commanded me to read and study the Quaran(A translation of the Quaran) and it confirmed what he taught to me about Jesus.


He guided me to the scriptures in the Holy bible that say:


But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.


Exodus 34:19-21


Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.


Exodus 13:1-3


So now that it can be seen that The first born belongs to God and must be redeemed:


And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.


Leviticus 16:7-9


But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.


Leviticus 16:9-11


21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:


22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.


Now compare this to the baptism of Jesus and you will clearly see that Jesus did not confess any sins because he was without sin. But, John the baptist confesses over Jesus all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the Christ, and Jesus led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted.


But the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel or removal shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over him, that he may be let go into the wilderness for Azazel


Jesus led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.


You see, the scapegoat never dies and H emust be presented to the Lord alive.


This was astonishing to me and at the same time it made me witness the reality of ALLAH(The God) So much that it caused a tremendous shift in my conciousness. I am the Witness of the Utmost High God but I am not a prophet as Mohammad is the seal of the prophets.


Jesus was taken up to heaven Alive and it is this mistake of people worshiping the man who died on the cross that will save the Jews. Jesus did not die on the cross and the Jews did not kill their saviour.


Asanas know that there is only The God and The Religion.

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  Message to all non-Muslims
Posted by: voice of reason - 09-17-2006, 12:05 PM - Forum: General - Replies (8)


Just so you know I am an atheist or I prefer, unbeliever in a god or gods. I do not claim there is no god only that I have not received evidence to convince me into believeing in the many gods that have been posited.


Atheism has a bad reputation, many times rightly brought about by inane comments. To briefly tell you my thoughts on atheism. Atheism means literally without theism. What is theism?


Theism: Believe in a god or goddess that intervenes with mankind.


There are many forms of theism in this world. Many worship the triune god of christianity others are mono-theists worshiping Allah or in Judaism or the Zorastrians who worship Ahura Mazda. Also some worshop Odin from Norse religion or Zeus From greek religion and many Hindu gods and goddesses.


All are theists. For example if I believe in Odin and he is my god and I believe he intervenes with mankind then I am a theist, by definition. So then all those who believe in some other god and do not believe in Odin are then taking an "atheistic" approach to my god.


So then really all are atheistic in their beliefs some believe in one god but not the others and some do not believe in any god that has so far been posited. Everyone then is atheistic towards some diety.


Also the god or goddess (if in wicca) are contradictory to each other so it cannot be the same god or goddess.


I will not say there is no god or goddess, just that I do not yet believe in the one you posit.


However in Islam (read the Quran) it teaches peace amongst themselves and even more important, peace to those who do not believe who are not enemies.


I can personally attest to this as I have friends who are Muslim who KNOW I am atheistically minded and they are still my friend and stay by my side.


I cannot say the same for other religions, I have one friend from when I was a christian )calvinist) and there are many similarities to these two religions. Both believe that God Allah is in control of all.


I can say that Islam is a true religion of peace they are not terrorists at all. The terrorists are not following the words of the Quran and their prophet Muhammed (pbuh). The true followers of Islam know of what I speak, so to those who are of other religions do not be quick to judge until you have spoken to TRUE Muslims.


They are a people of peace and understanding even to those who do not believe such as I and will embrace you if you will only give them a chance!!


Peace to all


Voice of reason


I do not like the term atheist and the connotationa that come with it, because being reasonable I have not searched the entire universe and do not know whether there is a god of some sort or not.

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  The importance of spiritual preacher
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-17-2006, 10:18 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (6)


<b> The importance of spiritual preacher </b>






Smt. Uma Ramanath asked about the importance of spiritual preacher (Guru).


Swami gave the following reply:


A lecturer in Government College will teach you the syllabus and at the same time acts as the invigilator, valuer of the paper etc. and finally you are getting a valued degree from the college. Similarly, the Lord acting as Guru preaches the spiritual knowledge, guides you practically, tests your knowledge in practice and finally gives you the suitable divine fruit. A teacher conducting tuition home is just teaching you and is not connected to the examination, degree etc. Similarly, a human being acting as Guru preaches you the spiritual knowledge and not concerned with your practice and its fruit. The human guru may be able to deliver the knowledge of Satguru (Lord acting as Guru) as it is, but cannot clarify your doubts in the practical field as effectively as Satguru does.


If you are hearing the speech through a tape recorder, the clarification of doubts is not possible. Even in the speech, some parts may not be clear to you due to the defects in your grasping power only. The human guru serves as a messenger of the Lord only. He is just like a postman. Therefore, the guru you referred in the Sanskrit verse uttered by you means only Satguru. However, Satguru is not frequently available. Still the Lord will clarify your doubts through some body since the Lord has the super power. Therefore, you need not worry that your doubts will be remaining without clarification in the absence of Satguru. The Lord is always ready to explain your doubts either directly or indirectly. If you deserve to go to the upper level, you will certainly rise to the upper level by the direct or indirect guidance of God. However, if you are not capable of rising to the higher level, what is the use of even meeting Satguru directly? Therefore, you should not worry about the availability of Satguru. You should worry only about your spiritual progress to rise to the higher level and you must concentrate on removing the hurdles in your spiritual progress. If you are a tenth class candidate and even if you meet the president of the country, he can give you only the post of a peon.


If you have passed I.A.S examination, the appointment order for the post of District Collector comes to your home. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa told that one need not search for Guru. God will send Gurus of various levels as and when you reach those levels. When you are ripened, Satguru will contact you at once. You may miss Satguru in your search. But Satguru will not miss you when the proper time comes. Satguru cannot do any good to any undeserving fellow. For the sake of majority, Satguru will not come down because He is not bothered about the fame. Krishna preached hundred Kauravas but of no use. Only the five Pandavas followed Krishna as their Satguru. Sakuni could become Satguru for Kauravas. But finally both the Sakuni and Kauravas were destroyed. A teacher in bogus institution gets you a bogus degree which has no value at all. Therefore, the Lord as Satguru and devotee of the Lord as a human guru are good. But the fraud Guru will destroy himself and yourself. It is better to confine to your family if you are not getting Satguru but you should be never trapped by a fraud Guru.


Satguru is the Lord in the human form. You should not see the external human form and should view the Lord only in Him. In the case of human guru, there is no Lord in him but you can treat the external human form as the possessor of power of God. In the first case you should understand the Lord as Guru and in the second case you should understand the Guru as the Lord. There is a difference between God as Guru and Guru as God. Your husband says “Guru Deva Datta” whenever he speaks to Me. The word Guru Deva has two meanings as per the Sanskrit Grammar. In one meaning God is treated as Guru and in the second meaning the Guru is treated as God. There is difference between these two meanings. The second word “Datta” clarifies that the first word is used strictly in the first sense only. Datta means God given to you in human form for the sake of your guidance. Guidance should be essential for your practice. Even clarification of your theoretical doubts should lead you to practice. Unless theory is clear practice cannot start. If there is no practice the entire theory is waste. If the theory is perfect, the practice is spontaneous. Therefore, the clarity in the theory and clarification of your doubts is very very important. Without understanding this, people mock at theory and stress on practice. Without complete and perfect theory, the practice cannot begin. Sometimes people practice due to fear or due to ambition for fulfilling the desires. The Satguru will never base on these two paths of fear and ambition. The false Guru exploits the people using either fear or ambition or both for some selfish gain like money, fame etc. But the followers are utterly deceived because such practice is not giving any good and complete fruit.


Satguru leads you to goal without any long time and deep strain. Suppose you have a bad quality like rigidity. Due to the same quality Duryodhana went to hell and Gopikas went to highest divine abode. In the first case rigidity was applied to worldly affairs (Pravrutti). In the second case the same quality is applied to the spiritual line (Nivrutti). A Satguru will direct your existing bad qualities to the spiritual line and will see that you will use those qualities positively for your real welfare. An ordinary human being acting as Guru will advise you to come to the spiritual line after removing bad qualities. The innocent and ignorant Guru does not know that millions of births are required even to shake a bad quality which was accumulated form the beginning of creation.


This is the difference between a Satguru and human Guru. Satguru generates the divine knowledge. The human guru carries on that knowledge in-to-to. Sometimes a practical problem arises in your spiritual path. The solution for that problem needs generation of divine knowledge, which is impossible for the human Guru. Therefore, if you get Satguru you are very lucky. But, if you do not use His guidance due to your blind attractions, in such case Satguru is useless for you like Sun for a blind man. If you have the maturity of mind to use the guidance, God will speak to you even through the human guru. Therefore, your determination to achieve the goal is the most important factor. If you have such determination, God will approach you in some human form and will guide you properly. Therefore, the problem lies on your side and not on the side of Satguru. How much lucky we are! We are directly talking with the Lord and getting the perfect spiritual guidance. The Lord is staying in My human body. There is no trace of any doubt about this.


When the devotees were calling Me as Lord Datta, I was confused and was very careful about the egoism that may trap Me. But slowly, I am convinced with this point on doing analysis from several angles. This wonderful divine knowledge cannot come from any human being except Lord Datta. These wonderful devotional songs which came spontaneously cannot be composed by any soul except Lord Datta. The vision of cosmic form (Viswa Roopam) can be given only by the Lord and such vision was given to two devotees simultaneously (Ajay and Seetamma) through this human body by Lord Datta. By the age of 16 years who can write hundred philosophical books in Sanskrit except Lord Datta through this human body? Lord Datta entered this human body even in the womb of My mother. Once My mother was telling Me that when she was carrying Me, she used to often get dreams in which she was finding various deities (various forms of God) with temple-bells ringing constantly.


There were two black-magicians in My village, who killed about hundred persons and three hundred children through their black magic in our village. In our joint family seven male issues before My birth were also killed by their black magic. The day I was born, both those demons were killed in violent way. All these factors led Me to conclude that the Lord is staying in My human body for His divine work of propagation of divine knowledge. I am just like all of you and there is no specialty in Me and no special favour is done to Me. The Lord is the speaker I am very very near to Him holding on the mike before His mouth. All His speech is common to all of us. After the war Arjuna asked Krishna to repeat Gita. Krishna expressed His inability to repeat because He also heard Gita from the Lord like Arjuna. When Arjuna pressed, Krishna told Gita again. But the second Gita (Anu Gita) stands nowhere before the first Gita. This is the concept of the human incarnation. The Lord enters the human body of a human being. The guest (Lord) and the owner of the house (devoted human being) are like the two birds and the body is like a tree. Like this Veda says (Dvaa Suparnaa). When the Lord said the first Gita, it is mentioned that the Lord spoke (Sri Bhagvan Uvacha). It is not said that Krishna spoke. Therefore, let all of us follow the Lord’s divine knowledge and get the eternal benefit. The Lord has to enter some human body and He entered this human body accidentally or incidentally. The divine knowledge spoken by the Lord (Satguru) is the guiding force, which clarifies all our doubts leading to determination, which results spontaneously in practice.


Satguru is the Lord in human form like Krishna. Even a liberated soul can be Satguru because He is directed by the Lord. He speaks as per the will of God. Swami Raghavendra, an incarnation of Prahlada is also a Satguru. He will speak whatever Lord wants to speak and thus there is no difference between the Lord and such top most devotees. In olden days the Guru tests the level of the devotee and used to expose that much knowledge only which is related to his level so that the devotee gets benefit. This is called as “Anubandha Chatushtaya” which means the level of the devotee (Adhikari), the portion of the knowledge (Vishaya) that is related to him (Sambandha) and the benefit (Prayojana). Suppose there are three devotees on the ground. One can climb ten steps only. The second one can climb fifty steps and the third devotee can climb all hundred steps. The Guru reveals ten steps only to the first devotee and says that the tenth step is the final step. If you reveal even the eleventh step he will be discouraged. Similarly for the second devotee only fifty steps should be revealed. For the third devotee the entire knowledge can be revealed.


But at present the Lord is revealing the entire divine knowledge through this computer. It is just like the booklet showing all the courses present in the University. According to the level one has to select the course. This facility was not there in the olden days. One need not be discouraged because if you are constantly putting the effort to climb the steps continuously, God will sanction any number of human births to reach the goal. The spiritual path has no physical significance. It is not like the journey to Bombay which needs the help of vehicles. The whole journey is related to your psychology or mental set-up which should act with full determination. The determination will spontaneously come through complete and real divine knowledge. The real knowledge can alone clarify all the doubts. When no doubt is left over the knowledge is complete, which immediately results in determination. Therefore, Guru is more important than even the God is because Guru is the guide and God is the goal. When God Himself comes to you as Guru, there is no need of any journey. He will guide you so that you will recognize Him. But His guidance is always delicate and critical because there is always a risk of your misunderstanding about Him. If somebody guides you to Him, such risk is not there. But such guidance will not be as clear as His guidance. Therefore, the issue gets mixed up.


When you recognize the God in human form, your concentration should be on the God present in Him. Since you cannot directly experience God, the medium is necessary. When you are experiencing God through the human form, the awareness of the external human form should disappear. When you touch an electric wire, your awareness is about the shock of current but not about the structure of the wire. Therefore, you have to see the aspect of God in Satguru and treat Him as directly the God (Guruh Sakshat Parabrahma). This means that you should find only God in Satguru. The case of a human Guru blessed by God is like the hot iron wire in the heater which was heated by the electricity but the current is put off. The effect of the current, which is the heat, remains in the wire.


The heat burns your finger but does not give a shock. Similarly, the human incarnation of a liberated soul has the power of God, though not directly God and is called as Guru. The third example is the wire in which neither the electricity nor the heat exists. To develop concentration in one direction you can treat such wire also as God and such worship is called as representative worship (Pratika Upasanam). There is no fruit from the object but there is fruit in the subject which is the development of concentration. The first two cases are direct and indirect worship of God resulting in the achievement of fruit from the object. For the representative worship you can select any human being you like as your Guru which has also the advantage of development of concentration in yourself.


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami


Anil Antony


www.universal-spirituality.org


Universal Spirituality for World Peace


antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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