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  The significance of Present Human Incarnation
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-21-2006, 02:06 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


<b>The significance of Present Human Incarnation</b>






When you read the scriptures, which are the discourses of past human incarnations, you will get so many doubts demanding clarification. If the original Lord is not available, we have to depend on other fellow human beings for clarifications. Suppose you are studying a correspondence course. When you get a doubt, you have to depend on your classmate, who is studying the course similarly. He is not competent to clarify your doubts and you will be poisoned by his wrong interpretations. Suppose you are studying the same course in a college and the lecturer is explaining in the class. Whenever you get a doubt, you can ask him then and there and you will surely get the correct interpretation at the correct moment. The clarification is important at the correct moment because without clarification the latter part of the lecture may not be understood or may be misunderstood. Such a facility does not exist with past human incarnations and past scriptures. In this light alone, Jesus modified all the Old Testament and gave the correct interpretation as and when people asked Him questions and doubts. If Jesus is not in the present generation, He must be blamed for being partial towards that generation alone. However God is impartial and therefore comes in every generation.


The present generation is very much blessed because of the facility of computer technology. You can clarify your doubts through this computer system without any strain of traveling to the human incarnation in person. All the divine preachers in this world are in contact with God and are doing the divine preaching to various levels of devotees. Their preachings may be mixed with some ignorance and it is not their fault because such mixing with ignorance in various proportions is required for various lower levels of human beings. The complete and pure knowledge without any trace of ignorance can be grasped only by a very few highest devotees. The number of advanced research students studying under a professor is always very small. Therefore the direct human incarnation is recognized by a very few top level devotees only.


The number of elementary school students are always many and the number of elementary school teachers are also many. As you rise in the level, the number of students and the number of professors become lesser and lesser. Therefore you should not aspire for a large number of followers. For the direct human incarnation, there will be only a very few deserving devotees of such a top level. But such top devotees are spread here and there all over the world. Therefore there is a necessity for propagating the top most divine knowledge of the top most human incarnation, all over the world. But the number of followers will not be high but will be the very least. Jesus said that His path is very narrow and that only very few people travel on it. Lord Krishna has told in the Gita that only one in millions can perfectly understand Him (Kashchit Mam Vetti…). Therefore the aim of the topmost human incarnation is not to have a large number of followers, since it is impossible. The aim is only to see that the topmost knowledge reaches the few deserving devotees, who are spread all over the world here and there. If you wish to have a large number of followers, then divine knowledge has to be adulterated with ignorance. The naked truth should not be exposed in such a case. Diamonds are always in few in number whereas gravel stones are many.


The lower level devotees and the lower level school teachers should not be criticized. The levels of school, college and university are obviously required due to the existence of human beings in the corresponding levels. Therefore you should not criticize the students in schools and colleges. Today you are a student of a university. But one day you were in the school and in the college. Without the guidance of the school teacher and the college lecturer you could not have entered the university. The direct human incarnation of the Lord is the topmost professor, who has a few post graduate and research level students.


God, being the head of the university level in spirituality, the schools and colleges are affiliated to the university and work under His leadership. It is the huge system of divine preachers. The school teachers and the college lecturers are working under the guidance and will of that Professor alone. The system is split to suit the various levels but there is no split in the preachers. The whole system of divine preachers is perfectly working due to the grace of that Supreme Preacher. There is no split in the preachers. Mixing up ignorance with knowledge is inevitable and is done according to the level of the students.


There is only one Supreme Preacher in a generation and He will be covering all the preachers and religions under the concept of Universal Spirituality. Some lower preachers may oppose this concept and it is not the fault of those preachers. Since the students of some lower levels do not agree to this concept, those preachers have to proceed according to their psychology.


The supreme preacher knows this fact and only smiles, if any preacher of a lower level opposes this concept. It is by the internal wish of Supreme Preacher only, that preacher opposes Him so that he can have a grip on his students who are of a lower level and do not like this concept. It is a very long journey to transform the entire Universe and make it realize this concept of Universal Spirituality. But one day or other this divine goal will be achieved and the entire world will be like one family with one Divine Father. The various cultures and religions need not disappear. But the innermost single continuous thread of the garland of gems with various colors will be realized by every human being of this universe. Such a state is called as WORLD PEACE.


Please remember that the divine preachers in this entire Universe are not at all split. They appear as if they are split in order to have a grip on their corresponding students, who are really split. All these divine preachers are connected by their innermost souls and are working by the grace of that Supreme preacher, who is the Lord in human form. The difference in the preachers is only apparent to satisfy the different psychologies of the followers. One preacher may criticize another preacher in order to satisfy his followers but all these divine preachers are internally united and are working on the single program of transforming this entire world to realize the Universal Spirituality, which is the Absolute Truth like the one Absolute God.


All the original preachers like Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad etc. are brilliant diamonds and all their followers are like black pieces of charcoal. The diamond and charcoal are made of the same carbon atoms. Similarly the preacher and the follower are human beings. In the diamond there is a regular crystal structure. The charcoal is amorphous, without any crystal structure. Thus the correct logical interpretation makes the scripture shine like a brilliant diamond. The same scripture without regular logical interpretation becomes a black charcoal.

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  Does every soul reach God?
Posted by: dattaswami - 09-21-2006, 02:04 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


<b>Does every soul reach God? </b>






A) For humanity God is confined to the human form only. Even the recognition itself is very difficult. Even after recognition it is more difficult to stand on it because He exhibits the Maya of three qualities. One in millions and that too in one birth after millions of births can identify and please the God with full sacrifice and service. Like this Gita says (Kaschit mam….).

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  UFO's?
Posted by: Kal - 09-21-2006, 09:19 AM - Forum: General - Replies (18)


This upcoming documentary/movie is absolutely astonishing and I beg you all to watch atleast the trailer for it (3mins long).


http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkyhN-XfNPs


<b><i>"Houston, this is Discovery (shuttle), we still have the alien spacecraft under observance" </i></b>


More,


Part 1


Part 2


Any comments?

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  Muslims in Texas
Posted by: Kal - 09-21-2006, 08:12 AM - Forum: Islam - Replies (4)


Salam,


Muslims in Texas


:) It's a great watch, enjoy

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  Let the debate begin-Round One
Posted by: Yusef_aka_Joseph - 09-21-2006, 04:14 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (46)


In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful


I ONCE WAS LOST, BUT NOW AM FOUND!! MASHALLAH! SUBHANA ALLAH SUBHANA ALLAH!


It's been a year and a half since my reversion back to my original faith-Islam, I became interested in religion 3 years ago and started out as a Muslim (since I was born one) and thought I was a Christian until evidences became clear to me, and erradicated the lies and opened my eyes to the truth. All praises and thanks be to Allah who guided me by the Qu'ran and countless other sources to the ONE TRUE FAITH, the faith of Adam, Noah, Lot, Abraham, Joseph, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, David, Soloman and Muhammed (peace be upon them all, and peace be upon the phophets i didnt mention).


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SO why is it that Christains believe in the Trinity, That God is three in one, if Allah/God revealed to us that this is not so?


Why do Christains believe in the trinity, that God is three in one, if Jesus spoke the opposite??


Allah reveals the truth about Jesus:


O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and his word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three"----Cease! (it is) better for you!----Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.


The Messiah will not scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favoured angels. Who scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him:


Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom.


And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper.


O mankind! Now hath a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; As for those who believe in Allah, and hold fast unto Him, them He will cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and He will guide them unto Him by a straight road.


(The Meaning if the Glorious Qur'an 4:171-176)


Jesus made it clear that he is not God:


"Why do you call me God? No one is God but God alone." (Mark 10:18)


"I can do nothing of my own authority" (John 5:30)


"I do as the Father has commanded me." (John 14:31)


Allah says in the Qur'an:


"The similtude of Jesus Before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be": And he was. The truth (comes) From thy Lord alone: So be not of those who doubt" (Qur'an 3:59-60)


If God was three or a Trinity, why would Jesus command himself to do anything, why would he denounce himself being called God, and why would Jesus say that God is One-Alone without partner?? The Qu'ran and the Bible confirm this, so why do Christains believe contrary to there own book and teachings????

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  A two part question
Posted by: voice of reason - 09-21-2006, 02:06 AM - Forum: Islam - Replies (55)


Question #1 I have an understanding that the Quran is complete and fully detailed is this true? From what I have read in the Quran.


Question #2 If this is so then why the Hadith and Sunnah this is quite illogical and make no sense. If the Quran is complete and fully detailed then there is no use at all for the Hadith and Sunnah.


Thank you to all who respond this is a very logical problem such as "This picture is ALL red." "Yet there is a little green on it." Then it cannot logically be possible that it is ALL red.


Same with the Quran if it is ALL complete and ALL detailed then the Hadith and the Sunnah are not needed, otherwise the Quran is not ALL complete and detailed.


Again thanks for addressing this complex issue.


Peace to all,


Voice of Reason

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  What to expect from prayer?
Posted by: voice of reason - 09-21-2006, 01:05 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (14)


I tend to think logically, logic which is axiomatic, like math 2+2=4 no matter what objects designate numbered. Some things are logical and contradictions and paradoxes do not really exist except on paper. Take this for an example Something cannot be all red but yet have some green on it. Otherwise it is not ALL red.


That just covers a little of how I think. If I were to pray to a tree and received no reponse of ANY kind why would I pray to this tree?


If I were to pray to a statue and received no response at all, why would I continue to pray to this statue?


If I were to pray to a man across the world and did not receive any communication back why would I pray to this man?


If I were to pray to a spirit or a god and received no communication back why would I continue to pray to this being?


If Allah exists and has spoken to others then why am I any different? Does Allah pick favorites? That would be human bias.


I believe IF Allah exists then he gave me the reason I have. Therefore I am under no obligation to believe hearsay from someone else that told me Allah spoke to them.


This is extremely unfair hearsay is not accepted in a court of law because it is illogical. My reason then tells me that I should not accept hearsay evidence of any kind from any person. I may believe that person because they have shown to be honest but I cannot be absolute in my belief.


When I have prayed I have heard no response not physically or internally. Nothing at all. Perhaps if Allah exists I am not chosen, so He does not respond to me. All is predestined if Allah is an omnipotent being.


Perhaps I am predestined to be destroyed?


That is truly sad though, because I have sought after a god I have searched, and asked, and prayed for answers. Though no response.


I thought this to be a good healthy discussion because I was posed this question and that was my answer above in short. I can dialogue in much deeper detail.


Thanks an peace to all who respond,


Voice of Reason

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  some stuff i am having trouble with
Posted by: submit - 09-20-2006, 06:10 PM - Forum: Feedback and suggestions - Replies (21)


salam alaykum.


The problem i encounter is a very narrow post/signature box.


See http://www.islamhope.co.nr/1.bmp to understand what i mean.


The second problem is when i use 'my assistant' and try to find my last ten posts...i only get the last post...


i hope i am not repeating old problems...


may God bless you all.

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  invitation
Posted by: pauper - 09-20-2006, 02:34 PM - Forum: Links - Replies (18)


asalaamu alaikum


Inshallah you are fine .


You are invited to join our forum here :


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Please have a look, and looking forward to seeing you there!


shukran

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  Canadian was falsely accused, panel says
Posted by: radiyah - 09-20-2006, 10:04 AM - Forum: General - Replies (4)


Bismillah


This morning I read this article on MSNBC, wasnot much astonished. I ask those who beleive that 9/11 was done by muslim terrorists, or that guantanimo is just, or any of the so claimed american war against islamic terrorists and fachism, and his war to protect the americans from muslim fachists, what do u think now ???


TORONTO, Sept. 18 - Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about a Muslim Canadian citizen, after which U.S. authorities secretly whisked him to Syria, where he was tortured, a judicial report found Monday.



The report, released in Ottawa, was the result of a 2 1/2-year inquiry that represented one of the first public investigations into mistakes made as part of the United States' "extraordinary rendition" program, which has secretly spirited suspects to foreign countries for interrogation by often brutal methods.


The inquiry, which focused on the Canadian intelligence services, found that agents who were under pressure to find terrorists after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, falsely labeled an Ottawa computer consultant, Maher Arar, as a dangerous radical. They asked U.S. authorities to put him and his wife, a university economist, on the al-Qaeda "watchlist," without justification, the report said.





Rest of article:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14897315/


The only fachist I know these days is j.w.bush himself


Salam

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