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  What To Talk With An Unbeliever?
Posted by: mertfaruk - 11-02-2004, 11:57 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (3)


it is obvious that some people get more unknowledged about religious issues and some think that they will be special if they reject the existance of God. We, the believer, should show the right way in a gentle and intelligent way. What can be told in a conversation? The most impressious way is to talk about "creation facts"; the examples that proove they existance of God. For example, the intelligent behaviours ants do, the great things that our cells do, the design in the environment... I love to read and tell about creation facts because they make my belief deeper. I am posting some of them, please tell your thoughts.........


Some spiders hunt in even the most unexpected environments. For example, the hunting field of the water-spider Dolomedes is the surface of water. This spider is mostly to be found in shallow places such as marshes and ditches.


The water-spider, which lacks good eyesight, spends most of its time by the side of the water spinning threads and spreading them over its surroundings. These serve two functions at the same time: they are a kind of warning to other spiders, setting the limits of its own territory, and they also form an escape route in the event of unexpected danger.


The spider's most frequently used hunting method is to put four of its legs on the water while the other four hold on to dry land. While doing this, it employs a most clever technique to avoid sinking. The spider covers those of its legs which will go into the water with a water-proof coating by passing them through its fangs. It then approaches the edge of the water. Pushing its body down with great care, it moves on to the surface of the water. It places its fangs and feelers under the water in such a way as not to disturb the surface. It waits for a living creature to approach, with its eyes looking around it and its legs feeling for vibrations in the water. To feed itself, the spider needs to find prey at least the size of the "Golyan" fish.


When the spider is hunting, it stays motionless until the fish comes within 1.5 centimeters of its jaws. Then it suddenly enters the water, catches the fish in its legs, and bites it with its venomous fangs. Then, in order to stop the fish, which is much bigger than it, from dragging it under the water, it immediately turns upside down. The venom quickly takes effect. It not only kills the prey, but also dissolves the prey's internal organs, turning them into a kind of soup and making them easy to digest. When the prey is dead, the spider drags it on to the shore and feeds. (Science and Technology Gorsel Science and Technology Encyclopedia, p. 494, 495)


At this point various questions spring to mind. How did the spider come by that wax which stops it sinking? How did it learn to coat its legs with it against the risk of sinking? How did the spider come by the wax's formula and how did it make it? The spider certainly did not bring about all of these things-each one of which bears the mark of intelligence-of its own volition. Like all other living creatures, this species of spider acts in such an intelligent way, is capable of making such a plan and putting it into practice by inspiration from God. In one of His verses, God states that He gives every creature its own provision:


There is no creature on the earth which is not dependent upon God for its provision. He knows where it lives and where it dies. They are all in a Clear Book. (Surah Hud: 6)


http://www.harunyahya.com/c_design_nature.php

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  A Muslim Call To The Israelis
Posted by: mertfaruk - 11-02-2004, 08:40 PM - Forum: General - Replies (8)

we all believe in the same God, but some groups of people have other purposes so they try to continue this fight. We, all believer, should be aware…

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  Essentials of Ramadan
Posted by: Hassan Al Zahrani - 11-02-2004, 06:55 AM - Forum: Ramadan - Replies (4)

As Salam Alykom While surfing a book store, I found this booklet which is a part of a library dedicated for the new Muslim. It contains useful and yet brief information in addition to a number of fatwas (legal opinions). is part 6 of the new Muslim library. Actually I was very happy to find such a library. I wish that Allah supports me enough to be able to copy all its part so as to add it to islamsms.com to serve our new Muslim brothers and sisters. However, what makes me sad is that the booklet was only loaded to our site at a late time. I really wished that I have found it before or at the beginning of Ramadan. But Alhamdulelah and Qadar Allah ma sha`a fa`l (what Allah decreed He Did). May be we can still make use of it during the remianing part of the month and other coming Ramadans Insh a Allah In order to copy the booklet I used a scanner, which is supposedly a perfect method.

. Insh a Allah I am going to upload another booklet which is manual of Zakat. All what I need is dua in my absence for Allah to Help me and Support me to complete this work. Also that Allah provides me with sincerity and reward to see the fruit of this effort as well as the efforts of my brothers and sisters in Allah members of islammessage forums You may upload the booklet by following the link:


EssentialsOfRamadanTheFastingMonth.pdf

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  Blame It On Me Dude!
Posted by: Rehmat - 11-02-2004, 03:22 AM - Forum: Woman and family - Replies (48)


"When God asked Adam why did he eats from the forbidden tree, he answered, according to the O.T. "And the man said, the WOMAN whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." Genesis 3:12-13


"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise the head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he (God) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Genesis 3 : 15-16


Do you see here, Adam who committed the sin of eating from the forbidden tree blame it on woman (Eve)? And since then, men of all generations have been blaming Women for their sins. You see that God in the Bible is blaming Eve and punishing her and all the women to come for the sin she did.


However, If we women read the same story in the Qur’an, (2:31-36), (7:19-25),(20:115-123) we will find that Allah says in the Qur’an :


1. Never blamed Eve for the sin that Adam committed . Allah spoke about both Adam and Eve being duped by Satan, and never singled Eve out.


2. Adam is held responsible for the sin he committed, he cannot blame it on Eve, since he is as a responsible human being as she.


3. Both Adam and Eve were punished for their sin by being ousted from Paradise.


4. Eve did not receive any harsher admonition than Adam and was not threatened by misery for herself and all her female offsprings as the Bible depicts.

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  Blessings And Thoughts From A Christian
Posted by: ChildOfNowhere - 11-01-2004, 08:02 AM - Forum: General - Replies (36)


Greetings to all of you. I pray that you will read my words and give them consideration.


My writing may, at times, seems disjointed. Please forgive this as I am merely trying to convey a few ideas, a few implications that might lead you to conclusions. I am not trying to proffer my religious beliefs nor debate your beliefs.


My mind has been in tumoil of late, my soul and my heart have been sick.


I grew up as a Christian, Independant Baptist if that means much to any of you. My core beliefs are, even now, based in Christianity, but I have distanced myself drastically from most, if not all, established Protestant Church doctrines.


I have read the Bible. I have read the Qu'ran. I have read the words of Buddha and Confucious. I have studied Taoism. I am knowlegeable of the ideas of existentialism. I have even read works from the Church Of Satan.


Many of my own religion would condem me for studying these things - excepting only the Bible. Indeed, I have been disputed vehemently on multiple occasions.


Perhaps you too would condem me, as I have read the Qu'ran and I do not refer to myself as Muslim.


Would you condem me?


There is a story in the Bible that refers to a man of God that was confronted by a group of Idolators worshiping what they referred to as a god named Baal (which Christians today recognize as a pseudonym for Satan). The man of God was confronted by the Idolators who demanded that he worship their Baal. The man looked over the crowd and stated, "If Baal is God, the worship him; but if God is God, then worship him."


The man of God then looked toward heaven and whispered a prayer to the Father of our universe.


God heard the prayer of his righteous servant and sent down a column of fire that consumed the sacriligeous alter the Idolators had constructed and everyone assembled fell to their knees in profession of the One God.


There are many interpretations of that story, but to me this man of the One God was saying, "You have a mind. Go out for yourself and decide who God is."


And this seems that it must be true to me, as how can a just God strike down a man that is quietly, openly, and prayerfully searching only for the truth?


Even the Qu'ran states:


[2.23] And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.


Why do so many Islamic leaders believe that America is conducting a holy war? Why do so many Muslims feel that America is a nation of evil?


Why do so many Muslims openly hate Christians?


Why do so many Christians openly hate Muslims?


Why do so many Christians AND Muslims hate Jews?


Why do we, as a spiritual people believing in One God (the same God, as far as I can tell), hate anyone?


It doesn't take study to know the answers to these questions. They are answers that we know inately, genetically instilled in humanity by the loving hands of Father.


Hate has no place in the heart of a servant of God.


No one has the right to take the life of another human senselessly.


The Taoists say:


We reject hatred, intolerance, and unnecessary violence, and embrace harmony, love and learning, as we are taught by Nature.


President Bush attacked Afghanistan because the malicious Taliban, haters of knowlege and the search for truth, killers of women and innocents, refused to surrender Osama Bin Laden even after they had been given proof that he was the man behind the Sept. 11 attack on America.


President Bush attacked Iraq because he had been given information indicating that Saddam Husein was supporting terrorism, that he was fostering hatred, and that he was an imminent threat to the security of America.


I will not argue our justification for attacking Afghanistan. Many innocent people died and this is a cause for great sadness from all nations, but I believe we were just in what we did there, and today I believe Afghanistan is a much better place because of what we did. If you do not believe me, don't simply shout words of hatred toward me, argue your point calmly and with logic. I will listen to you. But based on the knowlege that I have obtained, that is what I believe.


I believe that Bush was just in attacking Saddam Hussein. And I believe it WAS Saddam Hussein that America attacked, not Iraq. Sadly, Iraq is the place that Saddam was hiding and, again, many innocents have lost their lives.


The information that Bush was operating under MAY have been flawed, as several reports now claim, but even so, Saddam Hussein was a man that has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents and has openly condemned and professed hatred for America. And proof still stands that Saddam was financing many terrorist organizations. If you do not believe me, don't simply shout words of hatred toward me, argue your point calmly and with logic. I will listen to you. But based on the knowlege that I have obtained, that is what I believe.


The carnage that continues to take place in Iraq is NOT the fault of America, it is the fault of men who thrive on hatred and twisted interpretations of a God of love.


President Bush wanted, simply, the elimination of a tyranical leader and the instillment of a republic government of democratic freedom. As Americans, I think we want the for all people of the world.


Would any of you deny that a man has a right, under God, to live in freedom?


Saddam's government was toppled. And now, the only reason that killing continues is because of these poor men know only hatred for my nation and my religion.


Why would you hate my nation?


Why would you hate my religion?


Are we not brothers in humanity?


Do we not both weep at the site of a suffering soul?


Is your heart more righteous than mine?


Do you really believe that it is?


Is that what your soul is telling you?


Who am I to judge the righteousness of your heart?


How does anybody but GOD have the ultimate right to condemn the heart of a man?


From the Qu'ran:


[5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.


And this:


[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.


Even if you curse me, condem me to hell; even if you hate my nation; even if you hate the ideals of freedom and democracy; please take my words and voice your condemnation of terrorism and the murder of innocents.


None of us as mortal man has the right to spread hatred.


We all have an obligation to spread love and compassion.


A just war is not conducted from the shadows, in cowardice, against the innocent.


Please, I implore you all, take these words; examine them; and if you find them truthful, propigate them, spread them, translate them. Let them be heard for, if I have spoken the truth then it is the truth of the Father, my father, Jehovah, your Father, Allah.


Paint these words on all manner of document and send them to every corner of the world. Let all men here that, even if I do not share your beliefs, I am a man with a heart and a soul of compassion for all those who suffer.


My e-mail is included below. I will not respond to messages of hatred. I will try to respond to all others as best I can unless there become too many.

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  Asalamu Alaykum Everyone,
Posted by: Yasmin - 11-01-2004, 05:08 AM - Forum: General - Replies (22)


Asalamalaykum


hi, this is my first time that i have joined an islamic forum, from what i can tell so far this web is pretty good. [Image: biggrin.gif]


hey intuition [Image: wink.gif]


looking forward to hearing from urs all.


masalama

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  Four Basic Qur’anic Terms
Posted by: Rehmat - 11-01-2004, 03:46 AM - Forum: Books you read - No Replies


Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi (1909-79) founded Pakistan’s Islamist party


‘Jama’at-I-Islami’ in 1941. He led this organization from it inception in British India to Pakistan till 1972, when he passed on the mantle of ‘Amir’ to others. During this period, he was constantly persecuted, jailed and finally sentenced to death by the military rule of General Ayub Khan for authoring a pamphlet proving Qadianis as non-Muslims. The sentence was changed to life-imprisonment on public furry.


Sayyid Maududi is authored over 100 books on several aspects of Islam, including Qur’anic Tafseer, Prophet’s (pbuh) Seerah, and political theory of Islam. Here is link to one of his paper.


http://www.glue.umd.edu/~kareem/four_terms/index.html

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  Zionist Regime Killed Road Map
Posted by: Rehmat - 10-31-2004, 04:01 PM - Forum: Current Affairs - No Replies


With clouds of uncertainty hanging over the Middle East, a United Nations official announced on Thursday that the Zionist regime is the main cause of the current crisis in the region and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat arrived in Paris on Friday for medical treatment.


UN human rights expert John Dugard, who monitors the Palestinian territories for the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Commission, declared that Israel has killed the road map peace plan for the Middle East.


The quartet of the United Nations, Russia, the European Union, and the United States, the four international mediators that laid out the road map to Middle East peace, officially announced the death of the road map in early October.


Since then, the other quartet members have accused the United States of encouraging the unprincipled and inhumane Israeli policies in the region.


Over the three years that he has been in power, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has methodically cancelled all the previous peace treaties with the support of Washington, recklessly throwing them into the dustbin of history.


After nullifying the Oslo Accords and causing the failure of the road map, Sharon is currently trying to eliminate the possibility of the establishment of a Palestinian state through his plan for a unilateral withdrawal from Gaza.


According to the Oslo Accords and UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were assigned to the Palestinians so they could establish a Palestinian state in those territories by 1999.


However, after the cancellation of the peace accords, the U.S. presented the road map peace plan, which allotted the Palestinians limited territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for the establishment of a Palestinian state.


Meanwhile, the Israeli army’s withdrawal from the West Bank is now highly unlikely and the establishment of a Palestinian state even in Gaza has become an improbability after the Zionist parliament approved the plan to withdraw from Gaza.


Now, following the EU’s open objection to the Zionist regime’s actions, UN officials have also objected to the issue and identified Washington as the main supporter of the Zionist crimes and the cause of the failure of the Middle East peace plans.

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  How True Is The “word Of God”?
Posted by: Rehmat - 10-31-2004, 01:04 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


Genesis: Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning "five-volumed book"), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of since Act 15:1 refers to circumcision as "the custom taught by Moses," an allusion of Genesis 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11). (Bible Commentary, page 2)" - So in reality, Genesis had been tampered with by man. It had been corrupted.


Deuteronomy: The book itself testifies that, for the most part, Moses wrote it (1:5; 31:9,22,24), and other OT books agree (1Ki 2:3, 8:53; 2ki 14:6; 18:12)--though the preamble (1:1-5) may have been written by someone else, and the report of Moses' death (ch.34) was almost certainly written by someone else. (Bible Commentary, page 240)" – So there is ample evidence that proves beyond the shadow of the doubt that Moses was not the sole author of the book. He couldn't have possibly have written about his own death. Again, another corrupted book by man in the Bible. How can one claim that the book of Deuteronomy was indeed all revealed by God


Gospel of Mark: "Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (Bible Commentary, page 1488)"- So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?


Gospel of Luke: "Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (Bible Commentary, page 1643)" - So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?


Gospel of John: "The author is the apostle John, 'the disciple whom Jesus loved' (13:23; 19:26; 20:2; 21:7, 20,24). He was prominent in the early church but is not mentioned by name in this Gospel--which would be natural if he wrote it, but hard to explain otherwise. (Bible Commentary, page 1588)" - They claimed that it was John who wrote the Gospel, but yet, his name was not signed on his Gospel! So one cannot take it as a 100% True Error-free Word of God.

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  Feminism – The Best Way To Destroy Family-life
Posted by: Rehmat - 10-31-2004, 12:03 PM - Forum: General - No Replies


In the late 1940's, CPUSA leaders realized that the labor movement was becoming increasingly hostile to Communism. They began to focus on women and African Americans. They hoped "male supremacy" would "bring more women into the organization and into the fight against the domestic policies of the Cold War."


Communist women who made up 40% of the party wanted more freedom to attend party meetings. After the publication of "Women Against Myth" in 1948, the CPUSA initiated a process of "re-educating" men that we recognize only too well today.


The founder of modern feminism, Betty Frieden (a Jewess) relied on these texts when she wrote “The Feminine Mystique” in 1963. These women all hid the fact that they were long-time Communist activists. In the 1960, their daughters had everything they needed, including the example of subterfuge, to start the Women's Liberation Movement.


It is hard to escape the conclusion that feminism is Communism by another name. Having failed to peddle class war, Communism promoted gender conflict instead. The "diversity" and "multicultural" movements represent feminism's attempt to forge "allegiances" by empowering gays and "people of color." Thus, the original CPUSA trio of "race, gender and class" is very much intact but class conflict was never a big seller.


In 1980, three women in Leningrad produced 10 typewritten copies of a feminist magazine called Almanac. The KGB shut down the magazine and deported the women to West Germany. In the USSR, feminism has largely been for export. According to Professor Weigand, her "book provides evidence to support the belief that at least some Communists regarded the subversion of the gender system [in America] as an integral part of the larger fight to overturn capitalism."


In conclusion, the feminist pursuit of "equal rights" is a mask for an invidious Communist agenda. The Communist MO has always been deception, infiltration and subversion. The goal is the destruction of western civilization and creation of a new world order run by monopoly capital.


Islam, on the other hand, put a great emphasis on a “God-fearing family-life” – That’s why all such movements (feminists, gays, lesbian, etc.), after subduing Christianity and Judaism, are propagating the “modernization” of Islam. Canadian “Muslim lesbian”, Irshad Manji is the latest “darling” of these groups, most controlled by the Jews.

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