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Impressed with this website |
Posted by: Curious Christian - 04-03-2006, 12:47 AM - Forum: General
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Greetings from Houston, Texas USA.
I came upon this website recently while in a hotel room in New Orleans. I am working for the relief effort here following Hurricane Katrina. I am glad I found this website. I haven't posted much but I've read a lot. Already it's cleared up a lot about what I've heard about Islam. The Muslim and Non-Muslim members of this board have shown that they constantly treat one another with respect and dignity. Our differences aren't as great as those in the media would have us believe. We need this open dialog.
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The Book of Mormon |
Posted by: wel_mel_2 - 04-02-2006, 01:43 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs
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Bismillah:
<b>the following is an opinion of some Christian Scholars regarding the Book of Mormon:</b>
Quote:<i>There are many serious objections to the claim of Joseph Smith and the LDS church that the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired latter-day scripture supplemental to the Bible. However, none are more significant than the numerous contradictions between Book of Mormon teaching and the Bible. This list is illustrative only, not exhaustive</i>.
1. The Book of Mormon teaches that little children are not capable of sin because they do not have a sinful nature (Moroni 8:8). In contrast, the Bible in Psalm 51:5 clearly teaches that we have sinful nature from birth: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (NIV). (This does not mean that those who die in infancy are lost.*)
2. The Book of Mormon teaches that the disobedience of Adam and Eve in eating the forbidden fruit was necessary so that they could have children and bring joy to mankind (2 Nephi 2:23-25). In contrast, the Bible specifically declares that Adam’s transgression was a sinful act of rebellion that unleashed the power of sin and death in the human heart and throughout God’s perfect world (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12; 8:20-21). There is no Biblical support for the view that Adam and Eve could only fulfill the command to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) by disobeying God’s command regarding the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:17). The Book of Mormon teaching that these divine commands are contradictory, and that God expected Adam and Eve to figure out that in reality He wanted them to break the latter command ("of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it") in order to keep the former ("be fruitful and multiply"), has no basis in logic or the Biblical text, and attributes equivocation to God.
3. The Book of Mormon teaches that black skin is a sign of God’s curse, so that white-skinned people are considered morally and spiritually superior to black skinned people (2 Nephi 5:21). In contrast, the Bible teaches that God "made of one blood all nations of men" (Acts 17:26, KJV), that in Christ distinctions of ethnicity, gender and social class are erased (Galatians 3:28), and that God condemns favoritism (James 2:1).
4. The Book of Mormon teaches that, "it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23; see also Moroni 10:32). In contrast, the Bible teaches that apart from Christ we are dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1,5) and unable to do anything to merit forgiveness and eternal life. Salvation is wholly of grace (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6; Titus 3:5-6), not by grace plus works. Good works are a result, not the basis, of a right relationship with God (Ephesians 2:10).
5. According to the Book of Mormon, about 600 years before Christ, a Nephite prophet predicted that "many plain and precious parts" (1 Nephi 13:26-28) would be removed from the Bible. In contrast, from the Bible it is clear that during His earthly ministry, Jesus himself constantly quoted from the Old Testament Scriptures, and showed full confidence in their completeness and accurate transmission as they had survived down to His time. Jesus declared that "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away" (Mark 13:31; see also Matthew 5:18), and promised His disciples who were to pen the New Testament that the Holy Ghost "shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26); Jesus further promised the apostles that they would "bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain" (John 15:16). These promises clearly imply that the fruit of the apostles — the New Testament Scriptures and the Christian church — would endure.
6. According to a Book of Mormon prophecy (Helaman 14:27), at the time of Christ’s crucifixion "darkness should cover the face of the whole earth for the space of three days." In contrast, the New Testament gospel accounts declare repeatedly that there was darkness for only three hours while Jesus was on the cross (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44).
An earlier prophecy in 1 Nephi 19:10 implies the three days of darkness will be more than regional in scope for it says this sign will be "unto those who inhabit the isles of the sea, more especially given unto those who are of the house of Israel." The darkness then would extend over the ocean to the islands and reach as far as Israel in the Middle East.
Book of Mormon references to the fulfillment of this prophecy, however, use wording that could be understood to mean the three days of darkness was only in the Americas, stating that the three days of darkness would be "over the face of the land." (3 Nephi 8:3ff; 10:9). This appears to be the position of the late Mormon General Authority B.H. Roberts in his book Studies of the Book of Mormon, p. 292). If this is the case, then this would resolve the apparent contradiction between the Bible and the Book of Mormon regarding what happened at the time of Christ's death, for we would have 3 hours of darkness in Israel and 3 days of darkness on the American continents. However, this would make the earlier prophecies of 1 Nephi and Helaman internally contradictory with later BOM references, since their phrasing of "the isles of the sea ... those who are of the house of Israel" and "the whole face of the whole earth" is difficult to understand as merely a localized time of darkness.
7. The Book of Mormon people are said to have observed "all things according to the law of Moses (2 Nephi 5:10; 25:24). However, although they are supposed to have been Hebrews, they were descendents of the tribe of Joseph (1 Nephi 5:17) or Manasseh (Alma 10:3), not the tribe of Levi and family line of Aaron, as the Law of Moses dictates (Numbers 3:10; Exodus 29:9; Numbers 18:1-7), so they would not have had a legitimate priesthood.
8. According to the Book of Mormon, there were many high priests serving at the same time (Mosiah 11:11; Alma 13:9-10; 46:6,38; Helaman 3:25) in the New World, among those it describes as Jewish immigrants from ancient Israel who "kept the law of Moses" (e.g., 2 Nephi 25:10; Jacob 4:5; Jarom 1:5). In contrast, it is clear from the Bible that only one individual at a time occupied the office of high priest under the Old Testament dispensation (see, for example Leviticus 21:10; Matthew 26:3; Hebrews 8:6-7). (The mention in Luke 3:2 of "Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests" is not a real exception -- in Christ’s time Israel was under the domination of the Romans, who intervened to change the high priest at will. That is, this office became a kind of "political football," rather than following the appointment process dictated in the Law of Moses. See John 18:13, which describes Annas as "father-in-law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.")
9. The people described in the Book of Mormon operated multiple temples (Alma 16:13; 23:2; 26:29). This violates the dictates of the Old Testament Scriptures on two counts: First, God commanded Israel to build only one temple to reflect that fact that there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 12:5,13-14; 16:5-6). Second, the one legitimate temple was to be built in Jerusalem (Zion), the location designated by God (The Old Testament is filled with explicit references to God choosing Jerusalem [Zion] as the place where "His name would dwell" in the temple: for example, 1 Kings 8:44,48; 11:13,32,36; 14:21; 2 Kings 21:7; 23:27; 1 Chronicles 28:4; 2 Chronicles 6:6; 7:12,16; Psalm 78:68-69; Isaiah 18:7.
10. The most common biblical terms used to describe the Old Testament priesthood, temple and appointed feasts, are entirely missing from the Book of Mormon. Here are 10 examples of such biblical terms with their frequencies, that never appear once in the Book of Mormon:
a)"laver" (13 times in Bible)
B)"incense" (121 times in Bible)
c)"ark of the covenant" (48 times in Bible)
d)"sons of Aaron" (97 times in Bible)
e)"mercy seat" (23 in Bible)
f)"day of atonement" (21 times in Bible)
g)"feast of tabernacles" (17 times in Bible)
h)"passover" (59 times in Bible)
i)"house of the LORD" (627 in Bible)
j)"Aaron" – this name appears 48 times in the Book of Mormon, but never in reference to the biblical Aaron or the Aaronic priesthood
Conclusion: The contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible constitute a most serious obstacle to accepting the Book of Mormon as Latter-day scripture that is supplemental to the Bible. The Bible came first, not the Book of Mormon. And whereas the Bible is organically linked to the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ by extensive surviving manuscript evidence going back as far as A.D. 125-30, the Book of Mormon is wholly lacking in any such evidences of ancient origin. Is it not reasonable, therefore, to make the Bible the standard for judging the Book of Mormon, and not the other way around? If we accept the Bible as our "measuring stick" for spiritual truth, the Book of Mormon must be rejected.
— Luke P. Wilson
SOURCE: Mormons in transition
Salam
wael.
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Anyone into car customising here? |
Posted by: naseeha - 04-02-2006, 01:38 AM - Forum: General
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Ok..
So i have this new car right.. and i want to use some arabic graphics on the front of it... but i'm lacking...
I wanted to put something across the front of it in arabic... I was thinking about my username here... Naseeha...
I have this one that Brother Islam made for me on islammessage ....
so anyone have any cool arabic graphics i can use or what???
Please help...
salaams
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Seeking assistance from the Jinn |
Posted by: naseeha - 04-02-2006, 12:19 AM - Forum: Islam
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:bismillah:
:assalam:
Just recently my family has been struck with an immense test. It may be normal for some ppl but for us it was very difficult...
Today i learnt that some of my family had resorted to seeking help from among the Jinnat.
The thing is... that these are respected ppl in the community and this is what they are doing... The jinn has promised to help them and will do all that they can do... but is this not shirk.... Seeking help from other than allah... :astagh:
i have heard some ppl compare this help to the same help that you will get from a policeman and an investigator... but it still seems like shirk to me....
Brothers and sisters... THis is reallly trying for me... and it's very difficult... but i am convinced.. that this is out of islam and should not have been done.... When faced with a test this is not hte way to go...
do you agree??
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Cute Islam Stories |
Posted by: aldhahri - 04-01-2006, 10:11 AM - Forum: Books you read
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About the Quran:
>Assalam-o-Alekum
>
>When a man dies and his relatives are busy in funeral rites, there
>stands an extremely handsome man by his head. When the dead body is
>shrouded, that man gets in between the shroud and the chest of the
>deceased. When after the burial, the people return home, 2 angels,
>Munkar and Nakeer (names of two special Angels), come in the grave
>and try to separate this handsome man so that they may be able to
>interrogate the dead man in privacy about his faith. But the
>handsome
>man says, "He is my companion, he is my friend. I will not leave him
>alone in any case. If you are appointed for interrogation, do your
>job. I cannot leave him until I get him admitted into Paradise".
>Thereafter he turns to his dead companion and says,
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>"I am the Qura'an, which you used to read, sometimes in a loud voice
>and sometimes in a low voice. Do not worry.
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>After the interrogation of Munkar and Naker, you will have no grief.
>When the interrogation is over, the handsome man arranges for him
>from al_Mala'ul A'laa (the angels in Heaven) a silk bedding filled
>with
musk.
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>May Allah bestow this favour on all of us. AMEEN AMEEN
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>Rasulullah :saws2: said, "On the Day of
>Judgement, before Allah, no other intercessor will have a greater
>status than the Qura'an, neither a Prophet nor an angel."
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>Please keep forwarding this "Hadith" to all ...because the Prophet
:saws2: said: "Pass on knowledge from me even if it is only one
>verse"
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>w/salam
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Just questions |
Posted by: aldhahri - 04-01-2006, 09:41 AM - Forum: Islam
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:bismillah: :jazaak:
Asalamo3lukom Everyone!!
i have some questions:
is music haram?? i personally think it is, but whenever any one puts it on its just like i dont know what to say to them cause you need a clear hadith or something in the Quran that proves that its haram, so if you know any websites that go into this topic could you tell me or if you some hadiths.
love towerd the oppsite sex: how haram is it to look at there "ewrat" ( the places were not meant to see )?
is it natural to feel attracted to the oppsite sex?
is it haram to see someone kissing/hugging ?? (like when your whatching t.v.)
is it haram to look at someone you like??
is it haram to wear pants?? if so please give me a daleel that proofs that it is haram.
when someone makes you mad as a muslim what should you do??patinance were does it come from/ how do you get it.
are there any good books or websites of the prophet :saws2: or the prophets companions??
how importent is praying on time?? if there are any nice stories on praying on time please share them.
i need pointers on how to give "nasauh" i always want to tell people things to help them but when ever i try to do that it sounds like im trying to be rude to the other person.
thank you for taking the time to read this please post back!!: jazaak:
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O haven of democracy |
Posted by: Muslimah - 03-31-2006, 04:55 PM - Forum: General
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Bismillah
As the US extends its already long arms to establish democracy everywhere, being soooo concerned about those oppressed nations all around the world, just examine what is happening in its own close:
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http://www.nysun.com/article/29470
Kalb Upbraids Harvard Dean Over Israel
By MEGHAN CLYNE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 21, 2006
WASHINGTON - The furor over a paper co-authored by the academic dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government about what is described as the far-reaching influence of an "Israel lobby" intensified yesterday, as it drew sharp criticism from a prominent Kennedy School scholar, President Clinton's special coordinator for the Middle East negotiations, and figures identified in the paper as members of the "lobby."
The paper, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy," was written by the Kennedy School's Stephen Walt and a political science professor and the co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago, John Mearsheimer, and published by the Kennedy School.
In the 83-page "working paper," the professors allege that a vast network of journalists, think tanks, lobbyists, and largely Jewish officials have seized the foreign policy debate and manipulated America to invade Iraq. Components of the purported network include nine major publications, including the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal; "Christian evangelicals" including Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson; top-ranking officials in the Bush administration, and scholars at nine think tanks, including the Brookings Institution.
The paper has won praise from anti-Semite and white supremacist David Duke, is being distributed by the Palestine Liberation Organization's mission to Washington, and has been lauded by a senior member of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organization.
Less thrilled with the Harvard dean's work is one of his colleagues, Marvin Kalb, a lecturer in public policy at the Kennedy School and a senior fellow and founding director at the school's Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics, and Public Policy.
"I do not regard this as a Kennedy School Research Paper, because it clearly does not meet the academic standards of a Kennedy School research paper," Mr. Kalb, who is also the faculty chair for the Kennedy School's Washington programs, told The New York Sun in an e-mail yesterday after reading the paper.
"It is a rather sensational example of 'realist' journalism," he continued. "My sense is that Dean Walt would be better advised to stick to scholarship and leave journalism to journalists, who generally check their 'facts' before publishing them."
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Open Day For Non – Muslims |
Posted by: Muslimah - 03-31-2006, 02:10 PM - Forum: Islamic Events
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Open Day For Non – Muslims
Salaam My Dear Brothers And Sisters.
Inshallah tomorrow there will be a open day for Non-Muslims in East London.
Copied From the leaflet:
What is Islam and what do the Muslims believe in
What does Islam really say about:
Pease & Human Rights / War & Terror
Social & Family Life / Other Religions
Womens’s Rights.
How did the spread of Islam affect Humanity
Islam & Science.
DVD Presentations
Discussion and Q&A
Please copy and paste this information and email it to other brothers and sisters. And let your non-Muslim neighbours know about the open day.
The address for the open day is:
398 high Street North, Manor Park, London E12 6RH
If you need more info please contact Abdalmajid on: 07930301194 or islamicdawah@hotmail.com or abdalmajid1978@hotmail.com
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Hatred is revealed by their mouths |
Posted by: Faris_Mee - 03-31-2006, 03:12 AM - Forum: "And remind for reminding benefit the believers
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<b>This is the Book; in it is guidance sure without doubt to those who fear Allah by guarding against evil.</b>
Who believe in the unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.
These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
As for the disbelievers, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
2.2-7
<b> O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.
</b> 3.118
<b> O ye are those who love them though they love you not, and ye believe in all the Scripture. When they fall in with you they say: We believe; but when they go apart they bite their finger tips at you, for rage. Say: Perish in your rage! Lo! Allah is Aware of what is hidden in (your) breasts.
</b> 3.119
<b> Whomever Allah wills to guide, He opens his chest to Islam and whomever He intends to confound, He makes his chest narrow and squeezes so tight that, at the very idea of Islam, he feel as if his soul is going to climb up towards the sky. That is how Allah places a blight on those who do not believe, whereas in fact this way (Al-Islam) is the Right Way of your Rabb and We have spelled out Our revelations very clearly for the people who use their common sense.
</b> 6.125-6
<b> Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load. We never punish until We have sent a messenger.
</b> 17.15
Hatred is revealed by their mouths.
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MOTHER TERESA - of those whose deeds have been in vain |
Posted by: Faris_Mee - 03-29-2006, 11:42 AM - Forum: "And remind for reminding benefit the believers
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<b>THOSE WHOSE DEEDS HAVE BEEN IN VAIN - Deemed Null & Void & rendered fruitless
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<b>Jesus is my God
, :astagh:</b>
Jesus is my Spouse
, :astagh:
Jesus is my Life
, :astagh:
Jesus is my only Love
, :astagh:
Jesus is my All in All
; :astagh:
Jesus is my Everything.
" :astagh:
- Mother Teresa
<b>Alif L'am Ra. </b>
These are the verses of the Divine Book, the Glorious Qur'an which makes the things clear. 15.1
The Day will come when the unbelievers will wish that they were Muslims
. 15.2
They are the ones whose deeds will become void in this world and in the Hereafter
, and they will have no helpers. 3.22
Those whose all efforts in this worldly life had gone astray from the Right Way, but all along they were under the delusion that they were doing good deeds; they are the ones who are disregarding the revelations of their Rabb and the fact that they will meet Him for accountability of their deeds in the Hereafter, so their deeds will become null and will not carry any weight
on the Day of Judgment. 18.104-5
...Anyone who commits Kufr with Iman (rejects faith), all his good deeds will be in vain
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. 5.5
This is the guidance from Allah; He bestows it upon whom He pleases of His devotees. If they had committed shirk (worshiped anyone else besides Allah e.g. Jesus) all their deeds would have become void.
6.88
Those who deny Our Ayaat and the meeting of the Hereafter, their deeds are null.
Should they be rewarded except for what they have done?" 7.147
...while they bear witness against themselves about their unbelief. It is they whose deeds are in vain
and in the hellfire shall they live forever. 9.17
Your behavior is just like those who have gone before you. They were mightier than you in power and more flourishing in wealth and children. They enjoyed their portion of this worldly life; thus have you enjoyed your portion as did those before you; and you have entered into vain discourses as they did. Consequently their deeds were fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter
, and they are the ones who are the losers. 9.69
They are the ones who will have nothing in the hereafter except Hellfire. There they shall come to know that their deeds were fruitless and their actions were worthless
. Can they be like those who have clear revelations from their Rabb and to whom a witness from Himself recites it, and they have the Book of Musa before them - a guidance and a blessing? Can such people deny the revelation of Al- Qur'an? No of course not, rather such people will believe in this, but those factions who do not believe shall have their promised place in the Hellfire. So, O Prophet, do not be in any doubt about it; it is the Truth from your Rabb, even though most people do not believe so. 11.16-7
Tell them plainly because it has already been revealed to you as it was revealed to those before you that if you commit shirk (e.g. christians), all your deeds will become fruitless
and you will surely be among the losers." 39.65
As for the unbelievers, they shall be consigned to perdition, and He will bring their deeds to nothing.
That is because they hate the revelations of Allah; therefore, He rendered their deeds fruitless. 47.8-9
Then what will they do when the angels carry off their souls, smiting their faces and their backs? That will happen because they followed the way that called for the wrath of Allah and hated to adopt the way of His pleasure, therefore He made all their deeds void.
47.27-8
<i>My dear brothers and sisters in Islam, are Mother Teresa's deeds better than the one who protected the Prophet's life and sheltered him from the enemies of Islam single-handedly through the early years?</i>
Sahih Bhukari - Narrated Abu Said Al Khudri
I heard Allah's Apostle when his uncle, Abu Talib had been mentioned in his presence, saying, <b>"Maybe my intercession will help him
(Abu Talib) on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow place in the Fire, with fire reaching his ankles and causing his brain to boil."
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