“The true Furqan”

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


<b>'reepicheep'</b>

Actually, I readily admit that they are liars.

Thanks for that, and hoping that you can do your part as an honest Christian to advise your fellow Christians about the proper way to spread the faith, and to make them aware of those liars who invent lies against God.

Are there are any specific lies by specific Christians that you wish to discuss???

Not at the moment, and not on this thread, other "<i>lies and deceptions</i>" of certain Christians, will be posted insh a Allah on separate threads.


Salam


Wael

[reepicheep]

<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: Thanks for that, and hoping that you can do your part as an honest Christian to advise your fellow Christians about the proper way to spread the faith, and to make them aware of those liars who invent lies against God. </b>



Nope, I see no need to do so in this particular case. Although the writers of "The True Furqan" have told lies (as have all Christians), I don't believe any of those lies appear in "The True Furqan". I see nothing wrong with how they are spreading the faith.

[wel_mel_2]

<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: Thanks for that, and hoping that you can do your part as an honest Christian to advise your fellow Christians about the proper way to spread the faith, and to make them aware of those liars who invent lies against God. </b>

Nope, I see no need to do so in this particular case. Although the writers of "The True Furqan" have told lies (as have all Christians), I don't believe any of those lies appear in "The True Furqan". I see nothing wrong with how they are spreading the faith.

Interesting, you consider them to be liars, and yet you see nothing wrong with their lies.


Although you have never red “the true Furqan”, but at the same time you think (<i>based on assumption</i>) that the contents of “the true Furqan” are not lies.


Salam


Wael.

[reepicheep]

<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: Interesting, you consider them to be liars, and yet you see nothing wrong with their lies. </b>



Yes, they are liars, as am I and all Christians. Since telling lies is a sin, and sinning is wrong, then you are of course telling a lie when you claim I "see nothing wrong" with their lies.


The fact that all Christians tell lies doesn't mean that every statement every Christian makes is a lie.


Here is a statement I am going to make:


<b>Mohammad is a prophet of Allah.</b>


You are apparently claiming that every statement I make is a lie. Therefore, since I have stated that Mohammad is a prophet of Allah, you now believe that Mohammad is NOT a prophet of Allah. Correct?


<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: Although you have never red “the true Furqan”, but at the same time you think that the contents of “the true Furqan” are not lies.</b>



I believe the gospel story as told in the Bible is true. "The True Furqan" is a retelling of the gospel story in Arabic. If "The True Furqan" is consistent with the bible, then I believe "The True Furqan" contains no lies.


I have read some random pages from "The True Furqan" and did not discover any lies. If you know of any lies contained within the book, then present them here and I will examine them.

[SisterJennifer]

Reep, for a second there I thought you actually recognize Muhammad saw as a messenger of Allah but looking closer I see you are just being argumentative.


I dont see any reason why you should have to apologize for whoever published the "Furqan" anyhow. Or tell people from some other branch of Christianity how they should give dawah.


It is like a sunni being asked to apologize for whatever a shia does and then tell the shia how they should be giving dawah.


As a Muslim, I am more concerned with how Muslims are giving dawah.


It is enough to look at this situation and reflect on the ayah sister Muslimah posted. As it was mentioned already, they plan, and Allah too plans, and Allah is the best of planners.


So let them plan and use their strategies. Deceptive or whatever, it doesnt matter. It's not like Islam is going to be extinguished because of it.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Jennifer I concur, and if u observed, this post was the only one that reepi actually ignored. May Allah enlightens her heart. BTW, reepi is a she as far as I learnt. She does not want even to discuss that their actions are a strong evidence that Quran is from Allah. However, I do understand her and others situation, she does not want to admit she had lived a long life in the dark. At the same time, reepi, it is better to wake up and see the light than to decieve even yourself and turn a blind eye on clear evidences.

[radiyah]

Bismillah

wel_mel_2 wrote: It seems that he is ashamed to admit that they are lairs.
Actually, I readily admit that they are liars. In fact, I don't think you are going far enough in your condemnation of them. My belief is the following:


I believe that every single Christian who has ever lived, is currently living, and that will be born in the future is a liar, a thief, and a murderer and deserves eternal damnation from God.


Are there are any specific lies by specific Christians that you wish to discuss???

Dears, cant you see what reepi is trying to say, first her admittance is not out of acceptance its just well sort of mockery that we muslims consider all Christians as liars and thieves and so on, to show whoever reads here how Muslims are aggressive.


Then again she states a sentence as a christian that Muhammad(PBUH) is a Prophet, then she says I am a liar because I am a christian, therfore Muhammad(PBUH) is not a prophet.


As if we are waiting for her acceptance or denial of that.


Then I notice whenever john is away, reepi suddenly pops up. Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder ???????


Reepi stop turning around the bush, such actions and sentences will not fool us, and we are not waiting for you to tell us if the "False Furqan" is right or not.


To u it is not wrong, because it is from your own books, so here it is an admitting from you, that they are fooling non Arab Muslims, and spreading Christianity among them by using the names of Quranic Suras, that is lying and deceiving and stealing, I can't find any other explanation, but that does not make all Christians liars murderers or killers or whatever u said, we are talking here specifically about the missionaries and not all Christians, I have christian friends, christian relatives, christian co-workers, we do not see them or picture them all as u pictured.


I hope that you will stop that round the bush policy and mockery tone of yours reepi, and start thinking rationally and systematically, and build the blocks 1 by 1 -_-, do I need to explain more.


Peace

[wel_mel_2]

BIsmillah: Assalamo ALikum...


Reep... shortly, If I wanted to prove that "<i>the true Furqan</i>" contains lies, then I will not hesitate for a second to call it by its known title <b>(i.e. THE BIBLE)</b>, and similarly, if I wanted to push my Qur'an down people's throats,, then I would never name "<i>the true Bible</i>" to deceive Christians and "<b>catch some fish</b>", I will not hide it under someone's else religious book which may prove easily that I don't trust my Qur'an and therefore I have no confidence at all in my religion.


So, those Christians missionaries unknowngly proved to us that their book of God should not be called Bible... and in that we agree.


Salam


Wael.

[reepicheep]

<b>radiyah wrote: first her admittance is not out of acceptance its just well sort of mockery that we muslims consider all Christians as liars and thieves and so on, to show whoever reads here how Muslims are aggressive.
</b>


You are mistaken about my intentions, Radiyah. I meant it when I said that all Christians are liars, thieves, and murderers. That is what Jesus says in the Bible, and since I believe that Jesus is God, I'm not about to disagree with him. So, those of you to wish to call me and/or my fellow Christians liars, thieves, and murderers, please do so. We are all that, and more.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum.

<b>radiyah wrote: first her admittance is not out of acceptance its just well sort of mockery that we muslims consider all Christians as liars and thieves and so on, to show whoever reads here how Muslims are aggressive.
</b>
You are mistaken about my intentions, Radiyah. I meant it when I said that all Christians are liars, thieves, and murderers. That is what Jesus says in the Bible, and since I believe that Jesus is God, I'm not about to disagree with him. So, those of you to wish to call me and/or my fellow Christians liars, thieves, and murderers, please do so. We are all that, and more.

You made the following claims...


1- <b>ALL</b> Christians are liars... will they go unpunished?


2- <b>ALL</b> Christians are thieves... will they go unpunished?


3- <b>ALL</b> Christians are murderers... will they also go unpunished?


Conclusion... <b>ALL</b> Christians are liars, thieves and murderers; therefore they are <b>SAVED</b> because they believe that Jesus is God? Is that what you are trying to say??? Or you need to be <b>NOT</b> a Christian (i.e. <b>not liar, not thief, and not murderer</b>) in order to please God???


Do you know what is the punishment of <b>LIARS</b> in your Bible????


Salam


Wael.