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Salam,MUSLIMAH,you do amaze me with your response regarding SUBMIT?!! Who makes you think i am being rude and impolite,and so on...If you want to delelte my messages,it's up to you,but i will never and ever let someone like SUBMIT insults and diffames my Religion and the beloved Prophet(saw).It seems to me you are being taken for a ride by his philosophie writings,and i don't think you have a slight jeaoulsy to defend your DINE.I personnally prefer to discuss about ISLAM with a non-believer of the people of the book than with an hypocrite like SUBMIT,whether you like it or not and don't categorise me to be amongst EXTREMISTS.Allah taala says specifically"don't sit down with those who insult Allah and the prophet(saw).."How dare you let SUBMIT carry on insulting Quran and Sunna??!!!You will be accountable for your impotence and indifference for not interferring to kick SUBMIT out of this forum.Soubhanallah,the one who is insulting my Religion and my beloved prophet(saw) is well treated et welcome,whereas the one who is endeavouring to unveil and expose the devil is considered as A BAD PERSON,FOULMOUTHED,etc...Evidently,FAN TADIROU ASSAA'=WAIT FOR THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WHICH VERY NIGH....
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Quote:Salam,MUSLIMAH,you do amaze me with your response regarding SUBMIT?!! Who makes you think i am being rude and impolite,and so on...If you want to delelte my messages,it's up to you,but i will never and ever let someone like SUBMIT insults and diffames my Religion and the beloved Prophet(saw).It seems to me you are being taken for a ride by his philosophie writings,and i don't think you have a slight jeaoulsy to defend your DINE.I personnally prefer to discuss about ISLAM with a non-believer of the people of the book than with an hypocrite like SUBMIT,whether you like it or not and don't categorise me to be amongst EXTREMISTS.Allah taala says specifically"don't sit down with those who insult Allah and the prophet(saw).."How dare you let SUBMIT carry on insulting Quran and Sunna??!!!You will be accountable for your impotence and indifference for not interferring to kick SUBMIT out of this forum.Soubhanallah,the one who is insulting my Religion and my beloved prophet(saw) is well treated et welcome,whereas the one who is endeavouring to unveil and expose the devil is considered as A BAD PERSON,FOULMOUTHED,etc...Evidently,FAN TADIROU ASSAA'=WAIT FOR THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WHICH VERY NIGH....
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first,no one has the right to decide that the others are kuffar while they believe that there is no God except Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger.only Allah know the truth.
only you can refuse their behaviour,in this case the true muslem will discuss them to correct them or correct himself,perhaps you misunderstood something.
you can refer to the thread "Allah's Mercy"and see how brother Imran correct sister Muslimah and how she accept that.
I hope you will start a objective conversation.what is the words which Submet said and you disagree with him?.
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Jazaki Allah khairan Rock for the clarification.
However, USMA, do you think that you have more passion about Islam than the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam? he was confronted with all of this, he allowed them to talk in order to know exactly what to answer. If u deny the person the right to speak their minds, how would know where they fall short? Are you more concerned than Allah Who Is ours and their creator? He Hears Kufars being ungrateful and disbelive in Him, Allah continues to provide and sustain them.
All you need is control your temper, read posts carefully before going into fights with others.
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SALAM,beforehand,i understood everysingle word SUBMIT has written,and re-read them to make sure i am not mistaken of any of his sayings,and moreover, substantial evidences were put to him emanating from Quran and Sunna,and he was adamant and arrogant to reject them and beyond that discrediting and insulting the prophet(saw).How can you label someone a Muslim who is telling you emphatically i don't believe in the Sunna,etc...There's no Moujamala and Mouhadana in our DINE,i am not saying we ought to force someone to accept it( no compulsory in religion),and this is referred to an unbeliever whom we need to be patient in propaging ISLAM to them,but i will not accept from someone who claims to be Muslim and kept rejecting the Sunna of our beloved prophet(saw)??!!Muslimah,don't mix with Allah taala who is listenning his creatures associating with him a partner and he keeps feeding them up an providing them with their needs in this DOUNYA,and with someone who is mocking about the sounna....there's a huge nuance between a kafir and SUBMIT...
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USMA, could you pls point to the particular post where Submit is mocking our beloved teacher and leader Mohamed rasullah??
And could you also point the number of the post where he delcares rejecting Sunnah?
Give me the post numbers pls, as long as you said you did read all of them carefully.
Jazakum Allah khairan.
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Bismilahi wa salate wa salam ala katame anbiyaa' habibouna wa kaa'idouna abal Kassam Mohamad ibn abdalah(saw) wa ala sahbihi wa man ataba-aa'houme ila yawme idine bi ihssane,amaa' baa'd:to proceed:Muslimah,i have been addressing emphatically my questions to SUBMIT and i need straight and concise answers from him without the interference(involvement) of anyone of you.I believe he's capable of defending himself if he can provide us with any of his myth arguments(houjajes) regarding the invalidite(void) of Authentic Ahadiths.If SUBMIT is sincere in finding out the truth,he should refer to AHL-ILME(people of knowledge-scholars of ahl sounna wal jamaa'),and if he is trying to play around with Muslims'mind(doubts/misconceptions,etc...) he should say it loudly and bravely i am ignorant about ISLAM, and inchallah we will provide with endless proofs of the Authenticity of Ahadiths,and the MUST of adherence to QURAN and SOUNNA,otherwise we are only being taken for a fool by SUBMIT.Havin said that,I AM ASKING ON MORE TIME SUBMIT,DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND SOUNNA,YES OR NOT?
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SUBMIT,i am still waiting for your answer,do you believe in the Quran and the Sunna,yes or not?Mr ROCK(feller),i don't think you undertood perfectly SUBMIT'S writings(philosophy),unless you have been hypnotised by his charming contre-attaques,let SUBMIT defend himself and he doesn't need for any back up.For your information ROCK,before pronouncing the word of tawhid,you ought first to understand its meaning and submit to it afterwards inwardly and outwardly,to submit to Allah taala without questionning his authority,if Allah the Almighty says to us to obey the Prophet Mohamad(saw)(forget the past tense which SUBMIT doesn't like it) we have to surrender to his command(s),whereas your friend SUBMIT is not happy to adhere to the Sunna as he kept finding excuses such as the prophet is dead so...,so many ahadiths we don't know which one to believe,etc...and also he says i am not suuni or shii,etc...in order to shun the Sunna,and evidently he is not happy or take ahadiths from BUKHARI??!!!I wonder whether SUBMIT is not an EGYPTIAN COPTIC??!!One last to ROCK,HOW about Abou Bakar sadik(ra) who declared war(jihad) on Mourtadine who refused to pay zakat after the death of our beloved prophet Mohamad(saw) eventhough they said SHAHADA,they prayed,they performed haj,etc....i can give you numerous instances about these events.Certain Muslims like to hear that ISLAM is about LOVE,TOLERANCE,FORGIVENESS,SUMISSION TO HUMAN BEING,NEVER RETALIATE,LOVE YOUR ENEMY,LET EVERYBODY INSULTS ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER,ETC....Beware of the sect such as IRJAA'(MOURJIAA') whose creed is based on whoever pronounces kalimate tawhid,and even if that person insults Allah,the prophet(S)(as),never prays in his life,etc..is still considered a Muslim??!!As a Muslim,we must say the truth whatever the consequences as long as we put strong arguments to the other subject (Quran,Sunna,and Pious predecessors,etc..),and what is more important in nowadays is that,there's no excuse for the one who claims to be Muslim to say he hasn't received the message,or he is ignorant so you can't judge him,etc...it's wrong,wherever you go you will find Scholars,People of knowlege(talabate iilm),Mosques,Islamic book shops,many ways to get knowledge about Islam,etc.....and i conclude that whoever rejects Sunna(traditions),and even if he believes in the sunna and pratices it but out of heart(dislike it) he is considered a KAFIR,ask any sincere Scholar of AHL SUNNA WAL JAMAA'..walahou aa'lam.
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As salam alykom USMA
Nobody is trying to talk on behalf of Submit, but we are all here active on this thread and also we can say what we want to say without being aggressive or insulting. Did you read his post #29. Pls do so.
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What is going on in this thread? Please can we go back to some kind of order. I can read harsh words that don't lead nowhere and that has no place whatsoever on this board. This is no good way to proceed at all.
Brother USMA, if I may ask one thing of you. Can you when you write your inputs please add some space between what you write? English is not my motherlanguage and I feel it is very difficult to have the strength to properly read through your inputs. And if you can make the points clearer that you what to discuss. And one more thing, your harsh tone could cool down a bit. It is very difficult to find the core issue when it is surrounded by harsh words.
Thanks. May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala give us guidance to walk straight on His given way, Sirat al-Mustaqim, ameen.
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Assalamou alaykoum,having read Submit's statement#29,and if what he says it's genuine and full of integrity eventhough i totally disagreed with him regarding Imam Bukhari and to unite with shia,i withdraw my statements which might have hurt his feelings(my houkme/Islamic legal verdict=koufre) as long as he doesn't attack AHadiths(authentic ones) or reject them as a whole(i am not talking about weak and fabricated ones),and i repent to Allah taala for missing to read SUBMIT'S#29 statement,and he should do the same to repent to Allah taala and come back to the right path by accepting the Traditions of our prophet Mohamad(saw)(sunna) and not making us believe we did misunderstand his statements(we perfectly understood everything he wrote).A true Muslim should accept his mistakes and repent sincerely to the all-Mighty before death will take us by surprise.So Mr SUBMIT,IF WHAT YOU SAY is true,and as a simple and modest Muslim i repent to Allah taala,and i ask him to forgive me and grant me a beneficial knowledge,etc...Whatever i say is merely to please Allah taala,and i will never compromise my DIN(to surrender to any pressure whatsoever) for the sake to please someone,etc....Allahouma forgive me and SUBMIT and all the Muslims...Every son of Adam makes mistakes(sins) and the best sinners are those who repent to Allah taala.Soubhanaka allahouma wa bihamdika asstagfirouka wa atouba ilayka,wa daawana al-hamdoulilahi rabi al-alamine.
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