Mormon missionaries.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

<b>Wel_mel_2 wrote: Each and every sect in Christianity thinks that they are saved</b>


True.


Are you saying that there are Muslim sects which believe they are not saved? Why in the world would a muslim choose to belong to a sect where eternal damnation, and not salvation, is guaranteed???

Our topic is about MORMONS and not MUSLIMS, please don't try to change the subject. <b>If you think that Mormons are to NOT CONSIDERED to be Christians</b>, then let us know why? And enlighten us whether they are saved or damned. but if you are interested to know about Muslims, then start a new topic in the right place.


Salam


Wael.

[SisterJennifer]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


Our topic is about MORMONS and not MUSLIMS, please don't try to change the subject.


Salam


Wael.

Brother Wael, with all respect, it really is not clear at all what the topic is supposed to be at all. I mean, the first post is just a story which asks a question at the end. My thought was that the point of the story was to focus on how does Muslim dawah compare with the tactics of the mormons? Otherwise why ask the question??? That is why I gave input on it. But it seems that was not the intended point at all.


So I dont think you should get annoyed with reepi for going off topic when the topic just is not clear. Maybe it would help if you clarified exactly what direction you intended to go with this story.


Jazak Allah khairn.

[reepicheep]

There are many reasons that Mormons are not Christian. For example:


Christians believe that God is eternal and unchanging. Mormons have a belief called "The Law of Eternal Progression". According to this belief, all creatures including the Gods are constantly evolving, changing, and improving. The Mormon prophet Lorenzo Snow summarized this belief in a famous couplet which states:


<i><b>“As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.” </b> </i>


In other words, mormons believe that God was once a mortal like us. And, that over time, the powers of each human will equal the powers that God now has. Obviously, Christians consider this belief to be blasphemous, so Christians do not consider mormons to be Christian.


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And, you may have noticed that I used the term "Gods", not God, above. Mormons believe that in addition to the three Gods known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, there are already countless other Gods out there in the universe. Not to mention the millions of mormons here on Earth who will also one day be gods.


Since Christians believe there in only one true God in trinity, we reject the mormon understanding of God.

[wel_mel_2]

Assalamo ALikum sister Jennifer,

Brother Wael, with all respect, it really is not clear at all what the topic is supposed to be at all. I mean, the first post is just a story which asks a question at the end. My thought was that the point of the story was to focus on how does Muslim dawah compare with the tactics of the mormons? Otherwise why ask the question??? That is why I gave input on it. But it seems that was not the intended point at all.


So I dont think you should get annoyed with reepi for going off topic when the topic just is not clear. Maybe it would help if you clarified exactly what direction you intended to go with this story.


Jazak Allah khairn.

Thanks for your input.


The intention behind this post was to compare between Mormon missionaries and the Muslims in terms of Daw'ah, and at the same time to give an idea to the viewers about Mormons beliefes.


However, with Reep’s comments that Mormons are not considered to be Christians, the direction of the topic was changed as to <b>WHY THEY ARE NOT!! </b> That’s it.


But anyway, I am sorry if my topic wasn’t clear enough amd may Allah reward you for your comments.


Salam


Wael.

[wel_mel_2]

There are many reasons that Mormons are not Christian. For example:


Christians believe that God is eternal and unchanging. Mormons have a belief called "The Law of Eternal Progression". According to this belief, all creatures including the Gods are constantly evolving, changing, and improving. The Mormon prophet Lorenzo Snow summarized this belief in a famous couplet which states:


<i><b>“As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.” </b> </i>


In other words, mormons believe that God was once a mortal like us. And, that over time, the powers of each human will equal the powers that God now has. Obviously, Christians consider this belief to be blasphemous, so Christians do not consider mormons to be Christian.


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And, you may have noticed that I used the term "Gods", not God, above. Mormons believe that in addition to the three Gods known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, there are already countless other Gods out there in the universe. Not to mention the millions of mormons here on Earth who will also one day be gods.


Since Christians believe there in only one true God in trinity, we reject the mormon understanding of God.

I saw the sources, will get back to you soon.


Salam


Wael

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Asslaamo ALikum.

There are many reasons that Mormons are not Christian. For example:


Christians believe that God is eternal and unchanging. Mormons have a belief called "The Law of Eternal Progression". According to this belief, all creatures including the Gods are constantly evolving, changing, and improving. The Mormon prophet Lorenzo Snow summarized this belief in a famous couplet which states:


<i><b>“As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.” </b> </i>


In other words, mormons believe that God was once a mortal like us. And, that over time, the powers of each human will equal the powers that God now has. Obviously, Christians consider this belief to be blasphemous, so Christians do not consider mormons to be Christian.


*******************


And, you may have noticed that I used the term "Gods", not God, above. Mormons believe that in addition to the three Gods known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, there are already countless other Gods out there in the universe. Not to mention the millions of mormons here on Earth who will also one day be gods.


Since Christians believe there in only one true God in trinity, we reject the mormon understanding of God.

I wonder why are you blaming Mormons for what they believe? <b>If God Himself one day has become a human being as you believe</b>, then what makes it so hard for you to believe that men are eventually going to be gods? Jesus told the Jews "<b>YE ARE GODS</b>" and so it was interpreted differently by almost all Christian groups. Mormons have got their own interpretation which some how make sense to them… for example:

Christ is the Son of God, having both a spirit and a body begotten by God. The rest of us have something in common with Him, for our spirits are also begotten of God, making us spirit sons and daughters of God (Heb. 12:9; Acts 17:28,29; Roms 8:14-18). As a result, Christ is - in a sense - our Brother, and calls His followers His brethren (John 7:3,5,10). This common relationship was reflected in what He said to Mary as He was about to ascend unto His Father after the Resurrection: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto my Father; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God" (John 20:17). The Father is not only the Father of Christ, but also of us (of our spirits). Further, Christ calls the Father His God, who is also our God. There is something in common between Christ's relationship to the Father and our relationship to the Father. Should we be surprised that He uses the word "brethren" to describe those who worship the Father? In describing the mission of Christ, Paul says Christ brought many sons unto glory, and that those who are so sanctified "are all of one" with Christ (there is that theme of unity among distinct individuals again, which was discussed above in the section on the Trinity), "for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren" (Heb. 2: 10-12).
If we are brethren, then we should not be surprised that the grace and power of Christ gives us the ability to become more like Him and to share in that which He has received from the Father. Paul teaches this in Romans 8:14-18, where he explains that we are children of God and because of that, we can become heirs of God and "joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified together." Indeed, those whom God knew would accept Christ were foreordained "to conform to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Romans 8:29). The goal is to become more like Christ and the Father, which we are commanded to do, as Christ taught in Matt 5:48 ("be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect").

Mormon Answers.


Yes reep, this is what happens when reading the Bible… so don’t blame them, they’ve got plenty of reasons why YOU as a Lutheran or Catholic or whatever, is not a <b>TRUE CHRISTIAN</b>. this is my point now.


Slaam


Wael.

[reepicheep]

wel_mel_2, I find it fascinating how, within this thread, you have gone from attacking Mormon beliefs to defending them. I assume you no longer consider yourself to be Muslim, and have fully embraced all Mormon beliefs???

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum.

wel_mel_2, I find it fascinating how, within this thread, you have gone from attacking Mormon beliefs to defending them. I assume you no longer consider yourself to be Muslim, and have fully embraced all Mormon beliefs???

Nice try..


I am not defending Mormons, i am only explaining to you their point of view, but i guess you always liked to understand something else.


Salam


Wael.

[reepicheep]

Wel_mel_2, you asked why the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant traditions do not consider Mormons to be Christians, and I've given you one the reasons. I assume, then, that this discussion is done?

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

Wel_mel_2, you asked why the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant traditions do not consider Mormons to be Christians, and I've given you one the reasons. I assume, then, that this discussion is done?

Your answer proved to me that Christians’ most popular slogan, “accept Jesus as your Lord and personal savior and you will be saved” is nothing but a lie, this sentence should be replaced by “accept the teaching of my Church and you will be saved”, if you agree with that, then yes, our discussion is over.


Salam


Wael.