do you guys love Allah?

[Whisper]

You incorrectly portrayed a scripture in either your own way or someone elses way, that was wrong, WRONG!

You then posted three links, I visited the site and the interpretation was not the same at all.

The whole point of me saying that you were wrong was because you were WRONG.

That's it, nothing more, stop mixing messages just so you can hold on to some credibility in your own eyes.

[Purgetory]

excuse me whispers, this is the fourth time i am asking you, if i'm wrong, why dont you explain them for me?

you refuse to explain, yet you refuse to accept my own explaination. I believe this goes for you:

That's it, nothing more, stop mixing messages just so you can hold on to some credibility in your own eyes.[/quote:ee4bb01b6a]

[Whisper]

WHAT THE *****?

UNDERSTAND THIS

Everyoen read this

Purg posted this below -

"I was only sent to the people of Israel…” (Matthew 15:25) and everyone else are “dogs” (Matthew 15:26) who only deserve the leftovers (Matthew 15:27) from the Jews. Long after she had pleaded to him, he worthlessly helped her child with the “crumbs” (Matthew 15:27) that she deserved.

He then posted this

hmm... realy?

this is the search on GOOGLE that I made:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang...G=Google+Search

enjoy,

http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbv5/htdb0040.htm

http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Matthew/15.html

http://www.maitreg.com/bible/view.asp?book...ok=1&chapter=15

Those three above links revealed a different scripture (Verbatim) to his quote as below

From "agsconsulting.com"

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast [it] to dogs.

15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour

From "Cforc.com"

15:26

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

15:27

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

15:28

Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

From "maitreg.com"

15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Do you see?, you misled people into thinking that your interpretation was correct, obviously according to your own links, the three, there is a huge difference.

The Interpretation from the three links you thought contained an interpretation akin to yours is a Christian interpretation, one that is different to your interpreture

i.e - Your interpretation below again

"I was only sent to the people of Israel…” (Matthew 15:25) and everyone else are “dogs” (Matthew 15:26) who only deserve the leftovers (Matthew 15:27) from the Jews. Long after she had pleaded to him, he worthlessly helped her child with the “crumbs” (Matthew 15:27) that she deserved.

My interpretation is the Christian interpretation, not your twisted interpretation.

For the love of God ****!!!!!!

LOL..........

[Purgetory]

First of all, I would like to thank you for not typing the cursings and placing stars instead.

Back to the topic, it seems you didnt understand me. The links with the verses do not have any interpetations, only the verse. If you try and explain those verses, you would get what I have told you earlier (about the bread and crumbs and all), yet you seem to fail to explain it in any other way. Should I ask you for the fifth time to explain the verse "the Christian way"?

You speak of the Christian interpetaion, and refuse to give it after asking you for 4 times.

Why dont you want to tell me that interpetation.

I realy have to go to sleep, its 3:25 in the morning and i'm already late. i can wait for a while for you to post a reply.

try posting your "christian interpetation" this time.

[Whisper]

You posted the below

Bible:

I was only sent to the people of Israel…” (Matthew 15:25) and everyone else are “dogs” (Matthew 15:26) who only deserve the leftovers (Matthew 15:27) from the Jews. Long after she had pleaded to him, he worthlessly helped her child with the “crumbs” (Matthew 15:27) that she deserved.

You said that the scripture above was from the Bible,

It doesn't say anything about it being your interpretation, THEREFORE, you made out that it , the scripture is from the Bible

It IS NOT, it is a twisted, tainted paragraph.

You haven't even accepted or apologised for misleading people.

The Christian scripture found on the three sites you posted, which are correct, but different to your garbage, quotes about three or more simple lines from the Bible.

It's plain and simple, I honestly believe it would be an insult to you to explain them.

In a nutshell - It's about "Priorities"

[Muslimah]

As Salam a`alaman itaba`alhoda

sorry amai, you must have been caught between Purgetroy and Whipser arguing and lost the main point which Purgetroy explained with some missing points.

With all due respect to brother Purgetroy I'd like to clarify a few points here:

[b:76fd0f3089]When we are born until we become mature, we are sinnless, as pure as nothingness. No matter who our parents are or what religion or cult they follow, God love us. [/color:76fd0f3089][/b:76fd0f3089]

when you are born you are born a Muslim until the parents change this into another.

[b:76fd0f3089]<span>being an unbeliever, you might regret your sins, and do good deeds and that will all be plus signs on you in the day of judgment, yet your sins, even though you might think you asked forgivness, the question is, to whom did you ask? [/color:76fd0f3089][/b:76fd0f3089]</span>

<span>To make this point clear he means to tell you that the point is that you should ask for forgiveness from Allah the Only One Deity who is worthy of worship. As for your good deeds, you will be rewarded in the herein, but since you are not a Muslim then that is the main problem.</span>

<span>and I guess I explained this to you on a different topic but here it goes again. Working for microsoft and attending at Oracle. You will be terminated not only denied a salary.</span>

<span>You worship someone else and not Allah. Why do you expect Him to reward you.</span>

<span>is this easier.</span>

<span>As for our relation with Allah. We love Him of course. But the degree varies between servants as much as they see the importance of their relation with Allah. See not all Muslims are really devoted. And they shall certainly have their taste of Hell. </span>

<span>So in a nutshell amai, our relatioin with Allah is governed with faith which in Islam consists of 76 parts. One of them is it is mandatory to love and fear Allah. Fear Him in the sense that you wouldn't like to offend Him. and love Him in the sense that you want to please Him as much as possible. </span>

<span>Hope this made it clear to you amai </span>

[amai]

but i'm still wondering why he would love me only if I become a Muslim.

the Quran states it very clearly and straightforwardly that Allah [b:9364c8333b]doesn't[/b:9364c8333b] love nonbelievers. that verse isn't figurative and has no other interpretations.

say, how about right now? he doesn't love me, right?

will Allah turn 180 degrees from not loving me to loving me if i serve him? while i'm not yet a believer, it's probable that he isn't hoping i'd repent because after all, he doesn't love me.

purgatory>> what whisper meant was that the verse you copied and pasted [b:9364c8333b]isn't[/b:9364c8333b] found in the Bible. it's a different and twisted verse. i myself checked my Bible. the verse in my Bible is different from the verse you posted in both structure and meaning

sidenote: i wasn't able to post regularly these days. classes started.

[Muslimah]

Hi amai

Well we hope u do good in your studies. what r u studying any way.

again I will make this more simple

Suppose you r studing arts and instead u were attending at the college of engineering. Will u be making any hours at arts no? Will u expect the professors to like u no? They will probably give u warnings and notices to repair your record of attendance wanting u to do so as fast as possible. So that u would not miss the semister. Unless u realize your fault and make up the hours on time. You will receive no more alerts by the end of the semister which certainly you will fail. However it will certainly upset the professor. The same thing. Your life is the chance Allah is giving all of us. Even Muslims. We are giving a chance and choice either to maintain a pious attitude, observe Allah's limits and worship only Him. Or other wise which shall certainly put us into trouble. You r giving a chance after the other, Allah brings people in your way to tell u, to try and help and show u the light. The Quran is there. But u need to put aside all your fears that this book may turn to be the truth. I know it is scarey to suddenly discover that what u knew for I wonder how long is :roll: not true. Well I would feel the same. In some cases we fall into sins due to lack of knowledge. As soon as we realize, we feel terrible. But dear amai. The police officer in charge of traffic light shall give u a ticket regardless u know or don't know the law. It is not his fault. It is youra that u failed to learn the law. Will be more than happy to help u more amai.

Waiting to know what r u studying.

[amai]

yes, i understand that. it's almost the same with our God.

He gave us the Bible, several signs and even His Son Jesus. He's hoping we'll come into our senses and repent so we may be with Him in heaven, because He loves us.

but it's different from Allah. it's clear that He doesn't love nonbelievers. he's giving us chance, "signs" the Quran or such. but he doesn't love us. if our God is hoping that we'll repent, i bet Allah doesn't.

since he doesn't love me, he wouldn't care where i end up. why would he care anyway? he doesn't love me. he considers me his enemy.(<-- not sure bout that one.)

if you don't love someone, would you often give a damn about him/her? no, i don't think so.

Waiting to know what r u studying.[/quote:2b98984dc1]i'm in high school.

[Muslimah]

Well that is the problem amai

You say that Allah does not love you while at the same time you are taking His servant, His own creation (Jesus) as God. You are getting your self mixed up. My example was that Allah Gave you the signs and chances just exactly the professor did. He originally created us, you and even His servant Jesus and not son. You got it all mixed up. Made His creation as His son when it is only illogical for the Lord of the Worls to have a child, you even trangressed and worshiped the creation rather than the creature. Still He is giving chances, by your living and coming into this forum you are given a chance. We all spared no time or effort to explain and explain and explain. It is up to you to either realize or not. See you are still alive, this is a chance for you to realize who are you really worshiping. You need to know that u must worship only Allah the One Deity Who is Worthy to worship.

I think I did my best on this explanation. You seem to still not being able to quite understand. Allah is the One who gave the chances and not Jesus. Jesus himslef is a servant of Allah who was sent to call for Islam :shock: Yes don't get shocked. You want the verse from Quran which say that, let me know.