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Are American and European muslims more liberal?
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Quote:There are some things that make me nervous about the shia beliefs.  (Please correct me if I am wrong).One is that they disregard hadith with Aisha as the narrator.

-This leaves out an enomous amount of information about Islam

They only pray three times a day when the Qur'an repeatedly calls for five.

They believe that the message should have went to Ali and not Muhammad and that Jabreel disobeyed the Command of Allah.

-How can an angel disobey?  It is against their nature.  They have no free will.

Could you resolve any of these issues for me?
First, please don't ask me to defend the tenets of Shiism. As I said, I call myself a shia for historical reasons, not religious ones. As such, you are essentially asking me to defend positions I do not believe. I totally agree with you on the point of Aisha as a narrator, though I am led to wonder why sunni compilations are so scant in their quoting of Ali ibn Abi Talib; from my readings, I have seen Abu Huraira, who was not nearly as close to the Prophet, quoted much more than the Fourth Khalifa. But, that is neither here nor there for the purposes of this discussion.

As for the prayers - Shia do offer five prayers, they just have three prayer TIMES. However, the basis for this is from hadith -- the sunni version says that on the night of the Ascension, the Prophet talked to God and walked away with five prayer times, whereas the Shia version says he walked away with three. That is all.

The issue of Jibreel disobeying: I've never heard that before in my life, nor have I ever heard a shia cleric espouse that belief, so I can't respond. I can only assume that it is a radical view not held by most shias.

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Are American and European muslims more liberal? - by Khairan - 05-19-2004, 08:35 PM

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