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Quote:wel_mel_2 wrote: ...the challenge of Allah: “If you are in doubt about it, bring a book like it”
I don't know of any such challenge in the koran, although it may be in there somewhere. Verse 17:88 does state that the combined efforts of all the people and jinn would be unable to write a book like the koran, but there is nothing in that verse about a challenge.
Allah says: Or do they say, "He fabricated the (Message)"? Nay, they have no faith!
Let them <b>then produce a recital like unto it</b>,- If (it be) they speak the truth! Qur’an 52:33
Now comparing the beautiful prose and rhythms of the Qur’an with the ‘true furqan’, will simply cause us as Arabs to laugh to death (<i>I am not talking about the contents, this is yet another issue</i>), I am talking about how the sound would be to a native Arabic speaking person if we recite the verses of this forged book in the same way when we recite the original revealed Qur’an, and that’s why I advise you to get hold of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat’s lecture named “<b>How NOT to do Daw’ah</b>” where you will see how he exposed the faults of this book and other materials produced by Christians in great details.
Quote:But there are some other verses which talk about a challenge. Verse 11:13 challenges people to write ten suras. And, verses 2:23 and 10:38 challenge people to write one sura.
This discrepancy leads to the following interesting question:
How many suras does a non-muslim have to write, before the challenge is met?
If, for example, I wrote 5 suras just as good as the suras in the koran, then verses 2:23 and 10:38 could be used to show that I have met and exceeded the challenge. But, at the same time, according to verse 11:13 I would not have met the challenge.
Personally, I think it should be sufficient to write a single Arabic phrase which is just as beautiful as the words of the koran. For, if I can write one phrase, then I can write several phrases and combined them together into a verse. And, if I can complete a single verse, then I could write many verses and combine them together into a sura. And, if I could
there is no contradiction here, the challenge made by Allah at first was to produce a book like the Qur’an in its beautiful language, because the Arabs at that time knew that the words of the Qur’an can never be the production of a man, and so they failed miserably with their eloquence of the Arabic language at that time, then Allah made the challenge even easier, He asked them to produce 10 chapters like that of the Qur’an, they also couldn’t, then produce one chapter like it (<i>the smallest chapter is only 3 verses</i>), still no way to meet that challenge because <b>they know its too good that they couldn't even think that there will be anyone to utter such words like that, this by itself was a miracle.</b>
To answer your question I would say that you are or anyone else required to produce a single chapter like that of the Qur’an and then call upon your witnesses to testify that you have met the challenge, its not a matter of just putting some Arabic words together to produce an Arabic sound.
Quote:So, then, what have the Christian writers of "The True Furqan" done?
They have stolen the titles of the ORIGINAL QUR’AN TO FOOL THE MUSLIMS, that is exactly what they’ve done, they could not come up with beautiful words to name their false chapters because they themselves knew that it is too hard to do so, but at the same times they understood that AL FATIHA, ANISSA' and so on are familiar terms for the Muslims, and so they wanted to catch the fish with false baits... this is what exactly they've done, an expected attitude from liars according to your own admition.
Quote:For example, sura 24 in "The True Furqan" is named Al-Nisa (Women), the same as sura 4 in the koran. In doing so, the writers of "The True Furqan" are challenging muslims to compare the two suras to see which is more beautiful. More importantly, they are claiming that the treatment of women as described in the bible is better than the treatment of women as described in the koran.
We all can make claims, but its too difficult for them to answer questions when we quote biblical verses concerning the very poor treatment of women as found in the Bible, we may discuss this matter in great details on separate thread if you wish...
Quote:My observations about the various comments muslims have made about "The True Furqan" within this thread:
(1) The koran clearly challenges non-muslims to write suras. I find it interesting that muslims would show such outrage that some christians have taken up the challenge.
We admit, that they’ve tried to meet Allah’s challenge, but as we have also indicated (<b>and we can still prove further</b>) that they’ve failed miserably, and <b>you</b> can’t prove otherwise simply because you don't read or understand Arabic.
Quote:(2) Any muslim who is "fooled" into thinking that "The True Furqan" is the book revealed by Mohammad certainly doesn't know very much about Islam.
neither the 'true furqan' nor the original Qur'an was revealed by Muhammad pbuh himself (it is not his words), the Qur'an was revealed by Allah to his last prophet pbuh and the true 'furqan' was written by liars in order to deceive innocent and ignorant people, and the best way to prove that Christians could not meet Allah's challenge is the impact of the Qur'an on the Muslims today and since 1400 years ago, and the <b>nothingness</b> that caused by this false book called the true furqan.
Salam
Wael.