05-26-2007, 03:51 PM
Glory to God, peace on earth, good will to all.
Quote:God Almighty, “<i>The Father</i>” had a human son, <b>who was also God </b>Himself, incarnate. God’s son later died on a cross as a sacrifice for all humankind <b>to God Himself</b>. The son, <b>who is God</b>, Himself, was later resurrected and currently sits on the right side of <b>God’s throne </b> waiting to judge humankind at the end of this world.
Wael, we've been through this a million times.
The Son of God is a Divine Person who assumed a human nature. If you understand this truth, the rest is a walk in the park.
Quote:Are you calling this clever reasoning? Absolutely it is not. The concept of God becoming man contradicts the basic meaning of the term “God.”
I'm calling it brilliant reasoning, Wael! It's impossible for Muslims to understand this because Islam lacks the doctrines like the Holy Trinity, Original Sin, Redemption, Salvation, etc. There's no reason for Allah (SWT) to send His Son (who doesn't exist in Islam) to redeem mankind & make them children of God.
Quote:Really? Can He lie? Can He be unjust? Can he forget, sleep, make mistakes etc…?
God can't lie or be unjust.
Jesus slept because that's what humans do & He did possess a human nature, although He didn't inherit Original Sin because the Blessed irgin Mary was Immaculately conceived (too complicated to go into detail).
Make mistakes? Where on earth did you get a crazy idea like that from? Is that an Islamic belief that Isa made mistakes? Certainly impossible for Jesus in Catholicism.
Quote:God is an eternal being without beginning or end.
Amen!
Quote:If on the basis that God is able to do all things, and it was asked whether God could die, <b>what would be your answer?</b> Since dying is part of “<i>all things</i>,” and "<i>anything</i>" can it be said, “If He wants to?” Of course this cannot be said.
If One of the Three Persons in God assumes a human nature, then technically speaking, God can die but only in so far as He is human. His can't die in His divinity.
Quote:Therefore, the term “<i>all things</i>” excludes the absurdities. It cannot include things that contradict His divine attributes; things that would make Him less than God, like, forgetting, sleeping, repenting, growing, eating, etc. Instead, it includes only “<i>all things</i>” that are consistent with Him being God. and so, the claim that God became man is also an absurdity. It is not befitting of God to take on human characteristics because it means that <b>the Creator has become His creation</b>, and that’s why in your Bible He declared that <b>He is NOT A MAN, and so he will never be</b>.
Jesus Christ is not a creature. He didn't repent. He is no less divine than Allah (SWT) is. His humanity didn't affect His divinity one bit. You're turning something incredible into something trivial. Don't underestimate the power of God's Love. The Incarnation speaks volumes. I wish I had more time to elaborate but I don't right now. InshaAllah next time I will.
Quote:Yes, and I doubt that you will be able one day to explain this concept of God becoming a man, I am sure that you too do not fully understand it, unlike in Islam, the concept of God is crystal clear without any confusion, because “<i>God is not the creator of confusion</i>”
I'm not confused about Christianity anymore. I used to be but thanks be to God I now understand it all. "I no longer live but Christ lives in me." Alleluia!
Look after yourself, Wael, please pray for Lebanon (& the world in general), & God bless.