05-15-2007, 06:09 AM
In the Name of the Father & of the SOn & of the Holy Spirit - One God - now & forever. Amen.
May the Peace of Christ be with you!
Quote:Words mean nothing FHC... If this was Jesus' Claim (<i>that he is a divine</i>)... then show me a single verse in your Bible where<b> he said </b> (please pay attention to the word "<b>HE SAID</b>") I am a Divine, or I AM GOD (<i>not before Abraham was I AM, or I and the Father are one, etc because we have already discussed these topic in great details</i>), just show me in plain English, where <b>Jesus himself </b> declared divinity. But if you think that you are going to repeat yourself in answering this question, then drop it as we have dropped the topic of Trinity.
I remember discussing this with you in great detail. You didn't challenge my beliefs one bit! I guess I'll drop it for the sake of repetition. If you need to refresh your memory run a search & restudy the topic.
Quote:Numbers 23:19
<b>God is not a man</b>, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
1 Samuel 15:29
"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, <b>for he IS not a man</b>, that he should have regret."
Hosea 11:9
"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; <b>for I am God and not a man</b>, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath."
This was the first declaration of God about Himself that <b>He is not a man</b>, therefore <b>He can never become a man</b>, otherwise he would contradict Himself.
The Incarnation had not yet taken place. When the Son of God became man He did not contardict Himself because God didn't cease to be. Also, Jesus Christ didn't lie, repent or break His promises.
Quote:The other declaration of God about Himself that <b>He can never be born of a woman and that we can never compare Him with the son of man.</b>
Job 25:4-6
<b>How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? </b>
Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
<b>How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?</b>
Please note that <b>Jesus was born of a woman named Mary, was a man, and was called the son of man. </b>
This is to me a very straight forward statements from God Almighty that He is not a man, not being ‘the son of man’, and not being born of a woman. This was a declaration in advance indicating <b>that Jesus (or any other human being) is not and can not be the Creator of the Universe to eliminate all confusion.</b>
Jesus was born of a woman named Mary??? You don't say, Wael :D :P
Why do you think the Incarnation took place? For the remission of sin so that man canbe made righteous like Adam was before the fall. Please read the New Testament.
Quote:And also in another passage, God Almighty said it plainly that <b>he can never change</b>… (He cannot say today that He is not a man, then later on change His mind and become a man). that would be absurd.
Malachi 3:6
<b>"For I [am] the LORD, I change not</b>; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
Therefore, He would not become a man, because He declared that He is not a man and would not become a man/would not change (<i>and he did not specify the form of that change whether physically or whatever</i>). He just said it plain and clear that he would not change/would not become a man, because He is not a man in the first place.
God didn't change when His Son assumed a human nature. God is, was, & always will be the same. He's unchangable.
Sorry, I don't have time for longer answers. I hope you get the jist of it.
Take care & God bless.