Let get into the beliefs of the Christians

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Salam Wael!

I was not talking about the choice of words in the Bible translations, the reason why Christians possess dozens of different Bible versions, is because <b>they do not have any original copy of their Scriptures to compare it with their translation</b>, so anyone can freely make claims that his Bible is perfectly matching with the original, <b>but how this could be when in fact there is no original</b>!!!

It's a fact because Sacred Catholic Tradition testifies to Sacred Catholic Scripture. The Church Fathers from the early centuries constantly wrote commentaries on Scripture & nothing they quoted isn't being quoted today.


We have no reason to change the contents of the Holy Bible & even if we wanted to we couldn't. The Holy Spirit is guiding the Church from error. This might seem like fantasy to you but I don't care. I believe it with all my heart & I always will. I trust you but I trust God more :D

I’ve discussed this matter with CC before, but am going to repeat it again insh a Allah.


I believe that the Bible may contain the word of God and the words of Jesus pbuh, <b>but it also contains interpolations and fabrications that has nothing to do with God and Jesus pbuh</b>. and that's why the Qur'an was revealed to make things clear to those who are confused.

Okie dokie! You're entitled to your beliefs. I can respect that.

"And she kept <b>LUSTING</b> in the style of concubines belonging to those whose <b>fleshly member </b> is as the fleshly member of male asses and whose <b>GENITAL ORGAN </b> is as the <b>GENITAL ORGAN of male </b> (Ezekil 23:1-49)



I cant imagine that God REVEALED or INSPIRED those words to the author of the Bible.


.... for the spirit of <b>WHOREDOMS</b> hath cause them (the Jews) to err, and they have gone a WHORERING from under their God (osea 4:12, 6:10 and 9:1)



"She <b>seized him and kisses him</b>... "<b>Come let us make our fill of love till the morning, let us delight ourselves with love, FOR MY HUSBAND IS NOT AT HOME</b>..." Proverbs 7:7-22


just WOWWW.


" Says the woman: "My king was lying on his couch... "My lover has the scent of myrrh <b>AS HE LIES UPON MY BREASTS</b>" Song of Songs 1:12-13



" by night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth. ..."When i found him... <b>I HELD HIM. AND WOULD NOT LET HIM GO, UNTIL I HADE BROUGHT HIM INTO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE TO THE ROOM WHERE I WAS BORN</b>" song of songs 3:1-4


"Behold, your beautiful my love, YOUR LIPS are like a scarlet thread...


<b>YOUR TWO BREASTS </b> are like fawns...


<b>YOUR ROUNDED THINGHS </b> are like jewels.. I say I will go up the palm tree, Oh may <b>YOUR BREASETS BE LIKE CUSTERS OF VINE</b>. Song of songs 4:1-7


And on and on, such stories I will never allow my household to even touch.

These verses are just as significant as the verses in the Gospels. Only those who have a dirty mind will be disgusted by what they read :P But to the pure all things are pure! There's nothing more beautiful than the human body & nothing a man & a woman do is more Godlike then when they unite together as one flesh. When they commit sexual sins or idolatry they've desecrated the holy of holies & caused so much damage between their relationship with God.


That's enough for now. Nothing I say will change the way you feel about these texts but if you'd like an in-depth interpretation, please ask :) Either way, Christians do believe these words are inspired & their true meaning is mesmerizing!!!

He said <b>worship the father ONLY</b>... which means worship God alone. I accept that too.

Are you serious? You don't mind this verse. I didn't think Muslims were permitted to call God "Father". You're not going to get into trouble are you?

I recommend that you read some books written by <b>Christian scholars who affirm that the Bible was not remained in its pure form as it was originally written</b>.


You may read <b>WHO WROTE THE BIBLE </b> by Jewish Scholar of Old Testament - Richard E. Friedman. You can also find another book titled <b>Bible Contradictions?" - Are There Contradictions - Why?</b> by Jim Meritt who is a Christian. You may also read <b>Secret Gospel of Mark(?) </b> written by Bible scholars who confirm the interpolation and fabrications found in their book. Read <b>"How Did 1 God - Become 3?" </b> <b>Arianism Vs. Council of Nicaea </b> which explains about Church History written by John Raymond a Catholic Priest. Read "<b>Council of Nicaea - Trinity Accepted in 325 AD"</b>.


Do some research and you will come to know about the reality of the Bible. insh a Allah.

Thanks for the recommendations. Rather than read all those books I'll just keep chatting to you in order to find out about all the warped theories that are out there.


Ultimately, the Bible is the property of the Catholic Church & I'm a Catholic so I'm only interested in what Rome has to say in regards to Scripture. Unless John Raymond's book contains the imprimatur (a stamp of approval found on the first page) then I have no choice but to toss it in the heretical pile on top of the Da Vinci Code.


The best way to know the reality of the Holy Bible is to read it - Catholic RSV version ;)

Totally clear, you don’t need clarification so why you are bothering yourself with my posts? Are you even reading them? You are not even willing to open your mind a little bit to consider that what I am saying could be true. So what am I suppose to do?

I'm not asking you to post, but if you do, I won't ignore them. Studying Sacred Scripture with you is like an experiment. You give me a lot to think about. Insh a Allah, I'll benefit it from all this in the future - I'm a budding theologian. I hope you'll read & recommend my work down the track :D

No you don’t understand what alteration means when it comes to the Bible, I am talking about verses that were <b>restored to the text </b> such as Mark 16:9-20, 1 John 5:7 and as I mentioned earlier about the story of the woman who was caught in adultery, such verses <b>not to be found in the oldest and best manuscripts </b> according to Christian scholars, there are thousands of other examples that if we spend our entire life pointing them out, we will never be able too.

I remember discussing this issue with someone a while ago - come to think of it, it was you :lol: Nothing's changed since then, Wael. Please refresh your memory: Post #11 http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=4168&st=0


I think that'll do for now.


Take care & God bless.