Let get into the beliefs of the Christians

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Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

I can only speak on behalf of Catholic Bibles. The messages in all approved Catholic Bibles do agree with each other. There are various translations in the English language (as far as I know, there's only one version of the Catholic Arabic Bible) because English is a complicated language especially when translating from Hebrew, Greek & Latin. The older versions of the Holy Bible contain fancy words (thou, thee, thy, etc), therefore, new editions were produced using modern day English. The RSV is known for its hard to understand words & is recommended for scholars only, whereas the NAB is recommended for everyday use & contains simple words (e.g. "annexed" in 1 Maccabees 10:38 RSV is substituted with "incorporated" in the NAB). Having said all that, it's not the translation of words that matter it's the interpretation of verses & this must always be done in light of Catholic tradition. We aren't "people of the book".

I was not talking about the choice of words in the Bible translations, the reason why Christians possess dozens of different Bible versions, is because <b>they do not have any original copy of their Scriptures to compare it with their translation</b>, so anyone can freely make claims that his Bible is perfectly matching with the original, <b>but how this could be when in fact there is no original</b>!!!

If it's not too much trouble, could you please go through the Holy Bible & point out which "parts" you believe are truly God's word & which "parts" aren't? Just for future reference. Thanks

I’ve discussed this matter with CC before, but am going to repeat it again insh a Allah.


I believe that the Bible may contain the word of God and the words of Jesus pbuh, <b>but it also contains interpolations and fabrications that has nothing to do with God and Jesus pbuh</b>. and that's why the Qur'an was revealed to make things clear to those who are confused.


Here are some examples which I will never believe that they were even inspired by God.


"And she kept <b>LUSTING</b> in the style of concubines belonging to those whose <b>fleshly member </b> is as the fleshly member of male asses and whose <b>GENITAL ORGAN </b> is as the <b>GENITAL ORGAN of male </b> (Ezekil 23:1-49)



I cant imagine that God REVEALED or INSPIRED those words to the author of the Bible.


.... for the spirit of <b>WHOREDOMS</b> hath cause them (the Jews) to err, and they have gone a WHORERING from under their God (osea 4:12, 6:10 and 9:1)



"She <b>seized him and kisses him</b>... "<b>Come let us make our fill of love till the morning, let us delight ourselves with love, FOR MY HUSBAND IS NOT AT HOME</b>..." Proverbs 7:7-22


just WOWWW.


" Says the woman: "My king was lying on his couch... "My lover has the scent of myrrh <b>AS HE LIES UPON MY BREASTS</b>" Song of Songs 1:12-13



" by night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth. ..."When i found him... <b>I HELD HIM. AND WOULD NOT LET HIM GO, UNTIL I HADE BROUGHT HIM INTO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE TO THE ROOM WHERE I WAS BORN</b>" song of songs 3:1-4


"Behold, your beautiful my love, YOUR LIPS are like a scarlet thread...


<b>YOUR TWO BREASTS </b> are like fawns...


<b>YOUR ROUNDED THINGHS </b> are like jewels.. I say I will go up the palm tree, Oh may <b>YOUR BREASETS BE LIKE CUSTERS OF VINE</b>. Song of songs 4:1-7


And on and on, such stories I will never allow my household to even touch.


Thats why Goerge Bernard Shaw said about the Bible that it is:

The most dangerous book on earth, keep it under lock and key: your children must not have access to it"

Here are also few examples of what I may consider to be God's words.


<b>Here or Israel the Lord OUR God is One Lord</b>. I accept that.


another verse which make sense is: I<b> can of my own self do nothing, as I hear I judge and my judgment is Just because am not seeking my own will, but the will of my father</b>... anyone say this statement is considered to be a Muslim.


He said I<b> did not come to destroy the law or the prophet but I came to fulfill</b>, I do agree with that.


He said <b>worship the father ONLY</b>... which means worship God alone. I accept that too.


I have no problem with verses <b>like I am the Lord and beside me there is no other Savior</b>, I have no problem with verses like <b>I am the Lord and beside me there is no other Lords</b>, etc etc…


I recommend that you read some books written by <b>Christian scholars who affirm that the Bible was not remained in its pure form as it was originally written</b>.


You may read <b>WHO WROTE THE BIBLE </b> by Jewish Scholar of Old Testament - Richard E. Friedman. You can also find another book titled <b>Bible Contradictions?" - Are There Contradictions - Why?</b> by Jim Meritt who is a Christian. You may also read <b>Secret Gospel of Mark(?) </b> written by Bible scholars who confirm the interpolation and fabrications found in their book. Read <b>"How Did 1 God - Become 3?" </b> <b>Arianism Vs. Council of Nicaea </b> which explains about Church History written by John Raymond a Catholic Priest. Read "<b>Council of Nicaea - Trinity Accepted in 325 AD"</b>.


Do some research and you will come to know about the reality of the Bible. insh a Allah.

Wael, what's wrong with you? We've already been through this. I don't need clarification, habib! My parish priest is my uncle, he'll just look at me & say, "my beloved niece, you should know better!"

Totally clear, you don’t need clarification so why you are bothering yourself with my posts? Are you even reading them? You are not even willing to open your mind a little bit to consider that what I am saying could be true. So what am I suppose to do?

Here's an example of an alteration...
One manuscript reads, "Jesus Christ" & a later one reads, "Christ Jesus".


Boy oh boy! What a catastrophe!

You are such a picky girl… :D


No you don’t understand what alteration means when it comes to the Bible, I am talking about verses that were <b>restored to the text </b> such as Mark 16:9-20, 1 John 5:7 and as I mentioned earlier about the story of the woman who was caught in adultery, such verses <b>not to be found in the oldest and best manuscripts </b> according to Christian scholars, there are thousands of other examples that if we spend our entire life pointing them out, we will never be able too.

I was actually referring to St John 14: 16-17. If you continue reading, Jesus Christ, the Son of God & Messiah reveals who the Comforter is & states that He will "live in you". Sorry, Muhammad (PBUH) doesn't quite make the cut.

And I was talking about the Qur’an, our Jesus pbuh clearly declared that Muhammad pbuh is coming after him.

Wael, I have nothing against Muhammad (PBUH). I don't believe he's a prophet because God's covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Jesus' last words on the Cross were, "It is accomplished" (or "it is consummated" - depending on the translation ), therefore, there's no need for more prophets. But if Muhammad's (PBUH) message sets your mind at ease & your heart at peace then by all means believe in him & his mission

I just insist that Muhammad pbuh was necessary for humanity.

It's an English translation published by Bantam Dell - probably a weak.

Don’t use weak translation FHC, you better get the translation of Yusuf Ali, it has an amazing commentary and very comprehensive index.

I hope you change your mind one day. The reason why Christians emphasize this teaching is because we believe every human being is created in the image & likeness of God (blasphemous to Muslims, I know), therefore, even though someone has wronged us through the power of evil, we're commanded to love them because if we hate them, we're hating God's creation. Everyone has good within them regardless of their bad actions.

Yes yes, you are commanded to love your enemy I know, and I admitted that it is a beautiful teaching, <b>but it is not practical, no one could ever love his enemy</b>.


Salam


Wael.