04-09-2007, 04:56 PM
All for the greater glory of God.
May the peace of Christ be with you!
Talking logic, if you really have these manuscripts which perfectly agree with today’s Bible, then how come all of today’s Bibles do not agree with each other? Do each sect of Christianity possess a different manuscript?
I can only speak on behalf of Catholic Bibles. The messages in all approved Catholic Bibles do agree with each other. There are various translations in the English language (as far as I know, there's only one version of the Catholic Arabic Bible) because English is a complicated language especially when translating from Hebrew, Greek & Latin. The older versions of the Holy Bible contain fancy words (thou, thee, thy, etc), therefore, new editions were produced using modern day English. The RSV is known for its hard to understand words & is recommended for scholars only, whereas the NAB is recommended for everyday use & contains simple words (e.g. "annexed" in 1 Maccabees 10:38 RSV is substituted with "incorporated" in the NAB). Having said all that, it's not the translation of words that matter it's the interpretation of verses & this must always be done in light of Catholic tradition. We aren't "people of the book".
<b>You do not have the translation of the original FHC</b>… I hope you can understand my English, the Bible that you have right now <i>CONTAINS</i> parts of God’s words, but it also contains <b>FICTION</b>.
If it's not too much trouble, could you please go through the Holy Bible & point out which "parts" you believe are truly God's word & which "parts" aren't? Just for future reference. Thanks :)
Subhan Allah, these are not my words, it is taken from<b> Christian apologetics and research ministry who propagates the message of Christianity </b> but at the same time slanders other religions like Islam. And yet, they confirm that the Bible contains FICTION, <b>now I wonder which portion of the Bible was fabricated</b>?
That's between you & that website. It has nothing to do with me. I didn't even go there.
Read what Christians said FHC; don’t try to convince me that the Bible is the absolute word of God, while your fellow Christians learned men admitted that the original was lost.
I'm just trying to convince you that I'm not convinced. When it comes to Catholicism, it's either the Church's way or the Church's way ;) If she wants your opinion, she'll give it to you :lol:
I’ve also shown you before what the Catholic Encyclopedia honestly recorded regarding the Bible, why don’t you show this to your priest and ask him for clarification?
Wael, what's wrong with you? We've already been through this. I don't need clarification, habib! My parish priest is my uncle, he'll just look at me & say, "my beloved niece, you should know better!"
All have been in some way altered FHC! In view of this admission, how can anyone expect me, or any Muslim, to follow an altered book?
Here's an example of an alteration...
One manuscript reads, "Jesus Christ" & a later one reads, "Christ Jesus".
Boy oh boy! What a catastrophe!
First of all, here is the verse from the Qur’an where Jesus prophised about Muhammad pbuh.
"O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad."(Surah 61:6)
As you can see, there is no mention that this prophet is going to live “<i>IN US</i>”
What you actually refer to is another verse from the Bible where Jesus said:
<b>And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you Another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. John 14: 16</b>
Yes it is true that Muhammad pbuh is now dead, yet he is alive and with us today with his teaching, all Comforters abide with us for ever. Moses is here with us today in his teachings. Jesus is here with us today in his teachings and Muhummed also is here with us in his teachings today. May the peace and blessings of God be upon them all. remember what Jesus pbuh said?
I was actually referring to St John 14: 16<b>-17</b>. If you continue reading, Jesus Christ, the Son of God & Messiah reveals who the Comforter is & states that He will "live in you". Sorry, Muhammad (PBUH) doesn't quite make the cut.
In Luke, 16, Jesus pbuh tells us the story of the "Rich Man, Poor Man.' At death both find themselves at opposite ends , one in Heaven and the other in Hell. The rich man (Dives) simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar (Lazarus) to assuage his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, as a last favour, requests that Father Abraham send the beggar back to earth to warn his living brothers against their impending doom if they heeded not the warnings of God.
<b>But Abraham said, "If they (those still alive on earth) won't listen to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen even though someone rises from the dead. " Luke 16: 31 </b>
Jesus pbuh uttered the above fact centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel like Jeremiah, Hosea, Zechariah, etc and over thirteen hundred years after Moses pbuh. <b>The Pharisees at the time of Jesus pbuh and we today can still listen to "MOSES AND THE PROPHETS," for they are still alive, and with us here today in their teachings. Now apply this verse to Muhammad pbuh.</b>
My heart opens up whenever someone reads the Scriptures to me. Even though the interpretation descends from the fairies, I still love it :wub:
Which part am I applying to Muhammad (PBUH)? Don't Muslims believe he came after the O/T prophets?
This passage is talking about the treatment of the downtrodden by the Pharisees (Jews) who have no excuse for their behaviour.
Jesus Christ is spoken by name no less than 25 times in the Holy Qur'an. he is honored as
Jesus, the son of Mary, the Prophet of God, The righteous, word of God, spirit of God, etc etc..
Wael, I have nothing against Muhammad (PBUH). I don't believe he's a prophet because God's covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Jesus' last words on the Cross were, "It is accomplished" (or "it is consummated" - depending on the translation ;)), therefore, there's no need for more prophets. But if Muhammad's (PBUH) message sets your mind at ease & your heart at peace then by all means believe in him & his mission :thumb:
Jesus Christ is not the "Spirit of God" in Christianity.
What translation are you using?
It's an English translation published by Bantam Dell - probably a weak one but nevertheless this particular Ayah makes sense to me because I studied history. The Gospel during the time of Muhammad (PBUH) was transmitted orally, but the Torah was handwritten on scrolls by Jews, so I can see where Muhammad (PBUH) or Allah (SWT) was coming from.
I still insist that no one can ever love his enemy, you cant, you can’t and you can’t…
:( I hope you change your mind one day. The reason why Christians emphasize this teaching is because we believe every human being is created in the image & likeness of God (blasphemous to Muslims, I know), therefore, even though someone has wronged us through the power of evil, we're commanded to love them because if we hate them, we're hating God's creation. Everyone has good within them regardless of their bad actions.
The confusion arises because of the lack of understanding of both the meaning and concept; anyway, while Muslims were obliged to pay the zakah as a religious duty, the non Muslims were subject to paying the jizya, which is a non religious tribute.
I know Mate! I was just kidding :P Jizya is fine.
Have a nice holiday. :)
I need one because of you :lol:
Take care, champ!