Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.
Quote:Salam Wael!
Wa Alikum Assalam FHC. welcome back.
Quote:God's Word was transmitted both orally & through written Scripture. Nothing's changed. We have manuscripts that are older than the Quran. They agree to what we read in our Bible's today.
Talking logic, if you really have these manuscripts which perfectly agree with today’s Bible, then how come all of today’s Bibles do not agree with each other? Do each sect of Christianity possess a different manuscript?
Quote:Which O/T translation meets your standards? How can you be sure it matches the original?
<b>You do not have the translation of the original FHC</b>… I hope you can understand my English, the Bible that you have right now <i>CONTAINS</i> parts of God’s words, but it also contains <b>FICTION</b>. FICTION.
Subhan Allah, these are not my words, it is taken from<b> Christian apologetics and research ministry who propagates the message of Christianity </b> but at the same time slanders other religions like Islam. And yet, they confirm that the Bible contains FICTION, <b>now I wonder which portion of the Bible was fabricated</b>?
FICTION: 1. prose literature, especially novels, describing imaginary events and people. 2 invention as opposed to fact. 3 a false belief or statement, accepted as true for the sake of convenience.
Read what Christians said FHC; don’t try to convince me that the Bible is the absolute word of God, while your fellow Christians learned men admitted that the original was lost.
Quote:Those originals, however, because of the early date of their inception no longer exist."
Quote:we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago.
Quote:He really should say what he believes - that the word of God WAS inspired at one time but we no longer have it,
Quote:"It also seems a bit inconsistent to say he believes the originals were inspired, when he has never seen them,
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I’ve also shown you before what the Catholic Encyclopedia honestly recorded regarding the Bible, why don’t you show this to your priest and ask him for clarification?
Quote:No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author-- <b>all have been in some way altered</b>. The material conditions under which a book was spread before the invention of printing (1440), the little care of the copyists, correctors, and glossators for the text, so different from the desire of accuracy exhibited to-day, explain sufficiently the divergences we find between various manuscripts of the same work. To these causes may be added, in regard to the Scriptures, exegetical difficulties and dogmatical controversies. To exempt the sacred writings from ordinary conditions a very special providence would have been necessary, and it has not been the will of God to exercise this providence."
All have been in some way altered FHC! In view of this admission, how can anyone expect me, or any Muslim, to follow an altered book?
Catholic Encyclopedia
Quote:Hmmm... slight problem! Jesus promised that "Ahmed" would abide in us forever. As far as I know, Muhammad's dead & buried (PBUH) & he's not dwelling in anyone's heart.
First of all, here is the verse from the Qur’an where Jesus prophised about Muhammad pbuh.
"O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad."(Surah 61:6)
As you can see, there is no mention that this prophet is going to live “<i>IN US</i>”
What you actually refer to is another verse from the Bible where Jesus said:
<b>And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you Another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever. John 14: 16</b>
Yes it is true that Muhammad pbuh is now dead, yet he is alive and with us today with his teaching, all Comforters abide with us for ever. Moses is here with us today in his teachings. Jesus is here with us today in his teachings and Muhummed also is here with us in his teachings today. May the peace and blessings of God be upon them all. remember what Jesus pbuh said?
In Luke, 16, Jesus pbuh tells us the story of the "Rich Man, Poor Man.' At death both find themselves at opposite ends , one in Heaven and the other in Hell. The rich man (Dives) simmering in Hell cries to Father Abraham to send the beggar (Lazarus) to assuage his thirst. But when every plea fails, he, as a last favour, requests that Father Abraham send the beggar back to earth to warn his living brothers against their impending doom if they heeded not the warnings of God.
<b>But Abraham said, "If they (those still alive on earth) won't listen to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen even though someone rises from the dead. " Luke 16: 31 </b>
Jesus pbuh uttered the above fact centuries after the demise of the prophets of Israel like Jeremiah, Hosea, Zechariah, etc and over thirteen hundred years after Moses pbuh. <b>The Pharisees at the time of Jesus pbuh and we today can still listen to "MOSES AND THE PROPHETS," for they are still alive, and with us here today in their teachings. Now apply this verse to Muhammad pbuh.</b>
Quote:Yep! He warned us about false prophets.
True, but He gave you a guideline on how to recognize false Prophets!
<b>Beloved, believe not every Spirit, but try the Spirits whether they are of God; because many false Prophets are gone out into the World. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every Spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. 1 John 4: 1-2 </b>
And what do we believe? We do believe that Jesus is the only Christ and no one else.
Now you have a right to know as to what the Prophet Muhummed pbuh says about Jesus Christ pbuh.
Jesus Christ peace be upon him is spoken by name no less than 25 times in the Holy Qur'an. he is honored as
Jesus, the son of Mary, the Prophet of God, The righteous, word of God, spirit of God, etc etc..
<b>This can never uttered by a false Prophet. </b>
Quote:How funny! My version/translation of the Quran omits "Christians" & just refers to the Jews of Israel in that Ayat. I wonder who's fooling who here?
What translation are you using?
Quote:Loving your enemy isn't the easiest thing in the world... but it's certainly possible. God's grace is extraordinary!!!
I still insist that no one can ever love his enemy, you cant, you can’t and you can’t…
Quote:Alhamdulilah! Yalla, bring on the jizya
The confusion arises because of the lack of understanding of both the meaning and concept; anyway, while Muslims were obliged to pay the zakah as a religious duty, the non Muslims were subject to paying the jizya, which is a non religious tribute.
Quote:I'll catch up with you after Easter, Insh a Allah
Have a nice holiday. :)
Salam
Wael.