03-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Glory to the Word made Flesh.
May the Peace of Our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, be with you.
It's obvious no Muslim around here is truly seeking understanding, the goal is to stump us - Good luck!!!
Although my biblical interpretations usually fall on deaf ears, I'll just make a few points about the verses you mentioned, Abdul, & hopefully we can move on to the next ones until we've gone through the entire Bible from cover to cover & you discover that we intend on remaining faithful followers of Christ forever.
Quote:Jesus said:"He who believes in the son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36); are you not under the wrath of God for not being a follower of Christ - a Christian, by belief?
It wasn't actually Jesus who uttered those words. The passage follows on from a dialogue St John the Baptist was having with his disciples. The text is not in inverted commas, therefore, we can assume it's the Evangelist, St John, who brings us this message of hope. If you read the preceding verses, you'll be astonished at the reference made to the Most Holy Trinity.
The above verse (v36) is basically saying that with faith comes obedience. The opposite of faith is not just disbelief but disobedience too, which leads to sin & a loss of life.
Quote:On the subject of Belief in Christ, Jesus asked his disciples; "But who do you say that I am? And Peter answered and said, "The Christ of God." (Luke 9:20). Peter did not say God or a god.
You're right! Peter acknowledged Jesus to be Christ - the promised Messiah. Straight after this event in verse 28, Jesus Christ is transfigured before His Apostles, with the voice of the Father coming out of the cloud (Holy Spirit) declaring that Christ is "My Son" - another manifestation of the Most Holy Trinity.
Quote:"...Thy holy Servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint,..." (Acts 4:27 - New American Standard Bible). This leaves no room for doubt that Jesus was a `Servant of God'. Besides, there are other verses which declare Jesus; God's Servant.
Jesus actually served us as well as His Father (are you still breathing?). The verse which you chopped in half, is part of a prayer the Apostles recited after being set free by the council. Please refer to Psalms 2:1-2 & 146.6 for a clearer understanding.
Quote:"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word, and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgement, but has passed out of death into life." John 5:24 Have I believed and placed my trust basically, fundamentally and predominately in Him or in Jesus?
The Most Holy Trinity is staring you right in the face, yet you're blind as a bat!!! I'll just paste the above verse in its proper context & hopefully it'll make sense to you...
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
<b>24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. </b>
25 "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27 and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
Quote:Jesus said; "But I do not seek my glory; there is One who seeks and judges." John 8:51. Who is this "One", who is not Jesus? Have you basically, essentially and fundamentally glorified the "One" or Jesus? Please remember, the "One" will be the Judge on the Day of Judgement and not Jesus. If you disbelieve or disobey the above word of Jesus please read the verse quoted by you and then think about the "wrath of God".
Abdul, you're as bad as the Pharisees :lol:
Why do you insist on copying & pasting rather than studying Scripture yourself? You're trying to make a fool out of us but the joke's on you & your apologist buddy... I'm sorry to say. Please read your chosen verse within its proper boundaries. Again, it speaks of Christ's divinity.
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.
43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.
44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.
46 Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?
47 He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?"
49 Jesus answered, "I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me.
<b>50 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge. </b>
51 Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps my word, he will never see death."
52 The Jews said to him, "Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, `If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.'
53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?"
<b>54 Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God. </b>
55 But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad."
57 The Jews then said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
59 So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.
I'd like to stay & deal with your other post, but I have a million essays to write for Uni. I'll drop in later this week for part 2.
CC, are you like me... do you weep over the amount of lies & lack of truth being fed to Muslims about The Faith?
Abdul, it's one thing to be offered poison, but it's another to swallow it up then spit it back in our faces. No one's asking you to attend Mass on Sunday's, but please, lift the veil off your eyes. You're trying to convince us that 1+1=5. This stuff is basic. Fundamental. Christianity 101. Open the Bible (& Catechism) & do the Maths yourself, dude!
Anyways guys... take care & God bless you both.
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