03-22-2007, 02:10 PM
May the Love of God the Father, the Grace of His only-begotten Son & the Fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all!
Quote:We do not bash the Bible or criticize any religion FHC, I am only using the Bible sometimes to show you that the issues which you object in Islam, is to be found in your own book of authority,
I'm afraid there's a lot of Christian bashing & criticizing on this forum, Wael... but it's fine... I expect it! The only thing that bugs me is when you conduct a Bible Study as though Sacred Scripture is foreign to me. If it's not too much to ask, please refrain from "using" & abusing the Holy Bible when answering questions on Islam, especially if you believe in the doctrine of Taref, which I'm sure you do.
Quote:you and other Christians kept saying that we do not have the ability of understanding, since the Holy Ghost was not given to us as a <i>‘gift’</i>.
When have I ever said those things, bro?
There's a difference between "understanding" & "interpreting".
The Holy Ghost is God.
Quote:Of course I am upset FHC, with due respect to reep or any other Christian in this world, but who are they to teach you about Islam?
Please don't be upset :( Let's call it even... you teach us about the Bible & Reep will teach us about the Quran :lol: :D :P
Quote:The Qur’an is not just a textbook FHC, it is a guidance for those who fear Allah, so if you are not comfortable with the Qur’anic answers, <b>then we have no other answers for you</b>. Because any answer we may provide regarding Islam, will be based on the Qur’an and the teaching of our beloved Prophet pbuhh which do not contradict reason.
I learnt a very important lesson at Uni today (I actually thought of you guys in my Philosophy class). Considering I should be studying/revising right now, I'll explain it to you & kill 2 birds with 1 stone :D
The 4 stages of cognition are: perceiving, conviction, understanding, dialectic. When you say the Quran states "this" or "that", you're sticking me in stage 1 (taking notions at face value) while you're stuck in stage 2 (faith & belief). If you read over the thread you might realize that Reep jumped to stage 3 (reasoning from premise to conclusion). We haven't quite reached the final stage yet (rational reasoning) but Insh a Allah, we will soon enough.
In other words, please don't just tell us what the Quran says... explain to us why it says what it says. Turn our ignorance (& your opinions) into knowledge!!!
Quote:One of the glories of Islam is that it is founded upon reason
So if you are REALLY looking for reasoning and, willing to use your brain, then Islam is your proper place.
Great! Let's start putting this theory into practice :) Yalla, that's why we're all here!
Quote:First of all, we do not consider the Trinity to be ‘<i>truth</i>’ AND we do not understand it, and so we do not believe that it has anything to do with God.
I know, Mate! We established this a while back. Abdul is new to the boards so I just thought I'd bring him up to speed :)
Quote:Secondly, we are not pretending to know what you believe, we have already posted thousands of quotes from Christians themselves presenting in plain English about what they believe, <b>so maybe you are considering them to be disbelievers.</b>
If you'd like to know what "I" believe, then please ask "me" about "my" beliefs & "I'll" happily discuss "my" beliefs with you. But if wish to impose Christian views that you & thousands of others hold then I'm afraid you're braking up the wrong tree. I don't conform to anti-Catholic ways. I hope you can live with that.
Quote:And lastly, we are not accusing Catholics of being polytheists; we are only using our <b>REASON</b> based on the Qur'an and that which was written in the Bible to conclude that your acts of worship are exactly <i>a photo copy</i> of how pagans of olden days used to worship their gods.
Please elaborate & we shall get to the bottom of this, Insh a Allah.
Quote:And please stop telling us that we do not understand what you believe, we are not fools, we can simply understand what is written in the Bible, but the problem here is that you are <i>ONLY </i> giving your ears to the Church and refused to use your OWN BRAIN or listen to any other opinion that contradict your beliefs. then how will you ever learn?
:lol: You're so funny!!! I invite you to come spend a day with me, Wael. You can write some of my essays for me. Bring a box of panadol along!
Take care & God bless.