03-20-2007, 02:17 AM
Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum.
Quote:I'll be honest. At first I joined this forum to learn more about Islam & interact with Muslims because that's what takes place on Catholic forums - we discuss Catholicism & non-Catholics interact with Catholics. I never expected so much bible-bashing & Christian criticism to occur here,
We do not bash the Bible or criticize any religion FHC, I am only using the Bible sometimes to show you that the issues which you object in Islam, is to be found in your own book of authority, but instead of pondering upon these verses, you and other Christians kept saying that we do not have the ability of understanding, since the Holy Ghost was not given to us as a <i>‘gift’</i>.
Quote:Please don't be upset, Wael. For the first time in ages, Reep has given me something to think about. That's what forum discussions are for. I'm not after textbook answers, I want you guys to use your minds & help me use mine.
Of course I am upset FHC, with due respect to reep or any other Christian in this world, but who are they to teach you about Islam?
The Qur’an is not just a textbook FHC, it is a guidance for those who fear Allah, so if you are not comfortable with the Qur’anic answers, <b>then we have no other answers for you</b>. Because any answer we may provide regarding Islam, will be based on the Qur’an and the teaching of our beloved Prophet pbuhh which do not contradict reason.
One of the glories of Islam is that it is founded upon reason, unlike certain other faiths, which insist upon their followers implicitly accepting certain dogmas without independent inquiry, but simply on the authority of "The Church/Your mother", The Prophet Muhammad pbuh once said: "Allah hath not created anything better than reason” he pbuh also said: "Verily, I tell you, a man may have performed prayers, fasts, charity, pilgrimage and all other good works, but he will not be rewarded but by the manner in which he hath used and applied his reason."
So if you are REALLY looking for reasoning and, willing to use your brain, then Islam is your proper place.
Quote:Most Islamic scholars are correct in acknowledging that Christians are monotheists. Please read the final paragraph of post #1: http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=4080 The impression I get (& Wael confirms this in that same thread) is that Muslims are confused about the Most Holy Trinity - Three Divine Persons subsisting in the One True God. Which is totally fine but my one request is that Muslims be humble enough to admit that they don't understand this truth rather than pretend to know what Christians believe & falsely accuse us of polytheism. I guess both sides need to be more open to learning. Just a suggestion
First of all, we do not consider the Trinity to be ‘<i>truth</i>’ AND we do not understand it, and so we do not believe that it has anything to do with God.
Secondly, we are not pretending to know what you believe, we have already posted thousands of quotes from Christians themselves presenting in plain English about what they believe, <b>so maybe you are considering them to be disbelievers.</b>
And lastly, we are not accusing Catholics of being polytheists; we are only using our <b>REASON</b> based on the Qur'an and that which was written in the Bible to conclude that your acts of worship are exactly <i>a photo copy</i> of how pagans of olden days used to worship their gods.
And please stop telling us that we do not understand what you believe, we are not fools, we can simply understand what is written in the Bible, but the problem here is that you are <i>ONLY </i> giving your ears to the Church and refused to use your OWN BRAIN or listen to any other opinion that contradict your beliefs. then how will you ever learn?
Salam
Wael.