Abraham, Moses and Jesus: Three Beloved Prophets of Islam

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In the Name of God - Father (Love), Son (Grace), Holy Spirit (Truth).

Peace be upon you too FHC :)

Thanks :) I just noticed that Christians say "with" & Muslims say "upon".

Of course am aware of this example, but you should realize that if water is present in 3 states (i.e solid, liquid, gas) as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states, the constituents, the component of water is the same, <b>H2O</b>. That’s very important.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Wael. That's exactly what is meant by God (water) - Father (ice), Son (liquid), Spirit (steam).


This is the third time I post these statements. I'd use different ones but it'll take too long to type them up - LOL! You'll notice that 3/4 of them were formed pre-Mohammad (PBUH). Keep in mind that Mohammad (PBUH) was commanded by Allah to test the truthfulness of his own message against the contents of the previous divine revelations given to Jews & Christians (Sura 10 Ayat 94).


<i>The three things are existence, knowledge & will. For I can say that I am, I know & I will. I am a being which knows & wills. I know both that I am & that I will. I will both to be & to know. In these three - being, knowledge & will - there is one inseparable life. One life. One mind. One essence. Therefore, although they are distinct from one another, the distinction does not separate them. This must be plain to anyone who has the ability to understand it. In fact, he need not look beyond himself. Let him examine himself closely, take stock, & tell me what he finds. For none of us can easily conceive whether God is a Trinity because all these three -immutable being, immutable knowledge & immutable will - are together in him. Whether all three are together in each person of the Trinity, so that each is threefold or whether both these suppositions are true & in some wonderful way in which the simple & the multiple are one, though God is Infinite He is yet an end to Himself & in Himself, so that the Trinity is in Itself, & is known to Itself, & suffices to Itself, the Supreme Being, One alone immutably, in the vastness of its Unity. This is a mystery that none can explain, & which of us would presume to assert that he can?</i>


(St Augustine 354-430 AD)


Here the mystery deepens. Three Distinct Persons & only One God. How is this possible? Reason understands that there is no contradiction, because it is a Trinity of Persons & a Unity of Divine Nature. But the difficulty remains. Each of the Persons is the same God. How can They be really distinct? The reply which our reason stammers is based on the concept of relation. The Three Divine Persons are distinguished among Themselves solely by the relations which They have with One Another. Precisely by the relation of the Father to the Son; of the Son to the Father; of the Father & the Son to the Spirit; & of the Spirit to the Father & the Son. The Council of Florence in 1442 could therefore state, "These Three Persons are One God, because the Three are One Substance, One Essence, One Nature, One Divinity, One Immensity, One Eternity... in God everything is one & the same, where there is no opposition of relation".


(Pope John Paul II 1985)


Christians acknowledge one God - Unbegotten, Eternal, Invisible, incapable of being acted upon, Incomprehensible, Unbounded - who is known only by understanding & reason. By whom all things through His Word have been produced & said in order & are kept in existence. We recognize also the Son of God. Let no one think it laughable that God should have a Son, for we do not conceive of either God the Father or God the Son as the poets do, who in their myth-making represent the gods as no better than men. The Son of God is the Word of the Father, in thought & in actuality. By Him & through Him all things were made, the Father & the Son being One. Since the Son is in the Father & the Father is in the Son by the Unity & Power of the Spirit, the Mind & Word of the Father is the Son of God. If in your exceedingly great wisdom it occurs to you to enquire what is meant by the Son, I will tell you briefly. He is the first begotten of the Father, not as having being produced, for from the beginning God had the Word in Himself, God being eternal Mind & eternally Rational. Who then would not be astonished to hear men speak of God the Father & of God the Son & of the Holy Spirit.


(St Justin Martyr 150AD)


God - Father Son Holy Spirit - have one nature or substance; one power & authority. There is a consubstantial Trinity; one deity to be adored in three subsistences or persons.


There is only one God the Father from whom all these come. There is one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things are. There is one Holy Spirit in whom all things come to be.


(2nd Council of Constantinople 553AD)

<b>Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never spoke about ‘trinity’- that father, son and Holy Ghost were one</b>

Wael, the Bride of Christ (Church) would never betray her Spouse. We don't invent teachings that go against Scripture. I honestly don't like using the Bible as a weapon or tool to prove anything but here are a few verses that the Church draws on to understand the mystery of the Most Holy & Blessed Trinity.


St Matthew 16:16; 28:18-20.


St Mark 1:1; 1:11.


St Luke 1:55; 1:68.


St John 14:26; 15:26, 10:25-39.


Acts of the Apostles 9:20.


1 Corinthians 2:11.


Galatians 1:15-16; 4:4-5; 4:6.

You misunderstood the verse as usual; the Qur’an is asking you to believe in God as ONE and to stop from referring to Him as Trinity. You rejected this message, its fine, but it is very clear and there is no paradox here.

I give up! I can't keep repeating myself, ya zalme!

Jesus Christ pbuh was given the ability to heal the deaf and dumb and to raise the dead by God’s leave, <b>not on his own</b>, and he said it many times in your Bible that I CAN OF MY OWN SELF DO NOTHING.

Hmmm... humour me... which verse are you taking out of context now :lol:

<b>What is funny about that by the way ?</b>

Nothing! I was being sarcastic :P

Any reference from the Qur’an?


There are no contradictions between the Hadiths and the Qur’an, unless you provide the verse that you are talking about, I cannot give you any answer. Prophet Muhammad pbuh performed many miracles but we do not normally speak about them unless somebody asks (like CC), the ultimate miracle of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that we always mention and advise people to ponder over its message is the Holy Qur’an.

I believe you. Please provide a further explanation though. Here are the verses... I've excluded the texts because I don't own a good translation of the Koran... Sura 17:90-93, Sura 17:59, Sura 13:7, Sura 6:124, Sura 6:37, Sura 2:118-119.

Correct, so you should not go around and talk about Jesus’ miracles as well and make a silly comparison between him and other Prophets (am referring to whoever trying to do this). All of these miracles were the work of God to support His Prophets while conveying His message to their people.

You know for a fact that I don't compete or compare. If anything, I'm trying to reconcile the two faiths. Not having much luck :banghead:

Is this person a Christian? :)

Yes... by the Grace of God. He lived in Morocco for a few years & was majorly exposed to Islam. He doesn't have anything against Muslims, he just can't make sense of the religion.

Because the message of Jesus pbuh was interpolated and fabricated by the hands of many men, these are not my words by the way, almost every honest Christian scholar would say that the Bible is the production of men, and that’s why Muhammad pbuh was sent to guide us to the right path.

Mohammad (PBUH) never taught the doctrine of Tarif. According to Mohammad (PBUH) we are to obey the Torah & Gospel. Do you believe the Qur'an or not? The Church has preserved over 5000 different manuscripts of various books contained in the Bible that date as far back as the 1st Century AD, e.g. Chester Beatty Papyri, Bodmer Papyri, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, etc), & believe it or not, they completely match the Bible I use today.


More importantly, Wael, "the Christian faith is not a 'religion of the book'. Christianity is the religion of the 'Word' of God, 'not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living'. If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, 'open our minds to understand the Scriptures" (Catechism 108). I LOVE THIS PARAGRAPH!!!


Thank you for continuing to educate me on Islam.


Barak Allah Fik.