Bismillah:
Quote:Peace be with you, Wael!
Peace be upon you too FHC :)
Quote:It's difficult to discuss the mystery using human terms because the Blessed Trinity is a supernatural reality.
You just said it, it is a mystery and no human being could really understand it, you just have to accept it as it is. (If you say I do understand it, then its fine I will believe you)
Quote:God isn't divided up into 3 persons or things. Christians don't believe that the Father is 1/3 of God, the Son is 2/3 of God & the Holy Spirit is 3/3 of God. A distinction needs to be made between "person" & "nature". Each of the Divine Persons is one & the self-same God.
Confusion. :conf06:
Quote:Just think of water: liquid, ice & steam :)
Of course am aware of this example, but you should realize that if water is present in 3 states (i.e solid, liquid, gas) as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states, the constituents, the component of water is the same, <b>H2O</b>. That’s very important.
Now let’s analyze the example you gave of ‘trinity’ - Father, son and Holy Ghost. <b>are the constituents of all these three things, father, son, and holy ghost, the same?</b> We know very well that human beings have got flesh and bones, a spirit and God Almighty have got no flesh and bones. Human beings require to eat, God Almighty does not require to eat. And the same message Jesus Christ pbuh gave <b>in the Gospel of Luke Ch. No.24, V.No.39 to 43</b>. That, ‘Behold my hands and feet - Its I myself. Handle me and see - that a spirit has got no flesh and bones as you see me have.
And he gave his hands and feet - And they were overjoyed. To prove what? that he was not a spirit, that he was not God Almighty. And the verse continues ‘Do you have meat to eat’
and the next verse says that he ate broiled fish and honey comb
. <b> To prove what? -</b> that he was God? <b>To prove that he was not God!</b> Jesus Christ pbuh said, ‘A spirit has no flesh and bones, as I have proving that he was not a spirit - he was not Almighty God. <b>they are not the same and so your example of water carry no weight am sorry. </b>
<b>Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never spoke about ‘trinity’- that father, son and Holy Ghost were one</b>
Quote:Yes, Christians believe that Allah is One God - you even said it yourself 5 minutes ago. We're not polytheists who believe in a trinity of 3 gods. This verse contains a paradox.
You misunderstood the verse as usual; the Qur’an is asking you to believe in God as ONE and to stop from referring to Him as Trinity. You rejected this message, its fine, but it is very clear and there is no paradox here.
Quote:Very funny, Wael :rolleyes:
my wife always say that :D but in case you did not understand what I said, I would like to repeat... Jesus Christ pbuh was given the ability to heal the deaf and dumb and to raise the dead by God’s leave, <b>not on his own</b>, and he said it many times in your Bible that I CAN OF MY OWN SELF DO NOTHING.
<b>What is funny about that by the way ?</b>
Quote:A few days ago someone told me that in the Qur'an, Mohammad (PBUH) confessed to not performing any miracles.
Any reference from the Qur’an?
Quote:Therefore, the texts (Sahih Bukhari + Al-sira Al-Nabawiyya) are either referring to "alleged miracles" or true signs in which case Islamic tradition contradicts the Qur'an. What do you think?
There are no contradictions between the Hadiths and the Qur’an, unless you provide the verse that you are talking about, I cannot give you any answer. Prophet Muhammad pbuh performed many miracles but we do not normally speak about them unless somebody asks (like CC), the ultimate miracle of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that we always mention and advise people to ponder over its message is the Holy Qur’an.
Quote:By the way, a prophet's duty isn't to perform miracles, so it really doesn't matter if Mohammad (PBUH) did or didn't...
Correct, so you should not go around and talk about Jesus’ miracles as well and make a silly comparison between him and other Prophets (am referring to whoever trying to do this). All of these miracles were the work of God to support His Prophets while conveying His message to their people.
Quote:although, that same person also told me that Mohammad (PBUH) failed to prophesize too. Whatever! Trivial if you ask me!
Is this person a Christian? :)
Salam
Wael