12-18-2006, 06:02 AM
Bismillah:
My question was:
Quote:If you don’t mind me asking, but do you have any other solution for a married couple who can’t stand each other anymore and peace disappeared from their life? do you have anything to offer them from your Bible??
and this was your answer??
Quote:Wael, marriage is a natural bond. In the same way as I can't divorce my mother or my father or my brother or my sister... I can't divorce my spouse either. When we enter into a covenantal marriage, we are not signing a 50-50 contract, we are vowing to give 100-100. It's an exchange of persons, not goods. We make a faithful & everlasting promise to ourself, our partner & to God.
The Church allows couples to separate under severe circumstance, but they must always have an intention to reconcile. In the eyes of God & the Church, you'll always be validly married to your spouse, therefore, starting another physical relationship with someone is considered adultery.
You didn’t answer my question FHC… all the above is nice and sweet, <b>but do you have any solution for a married couple who can’t stand each other anymore and peace disappeared from their life?</b> <b>do you have anything to offer them from your Bible??</b> I don’t care much about what the Church allows or disallowed!! <b>There are many churches out there that impose their own laws and doctrines on their followers and they contradict each other continuously </b> . So let the Bible speak of itself. <b>does your Bible offer this couple any solution to their problem? </b>
Quote:Wael, habibi, I am a Christian not a Jew. The Old Testament is crucial in Christianity, but we are not, nor have we ever been bound by the Mosaic Law. Jesus Christ completed & perfected the Old Covenant by establishing the New Covenant. The O/T is important to us because it contains the history of God's chosen people & the events leading up to the coming of Christ.
I know you are not a Jew, but you must understand that Jesus pbuh brought no new religion, and that his was the confirmation of all the teachings that had gone before him. He says:
<b>Think not that I am come to destroy the law</b> (Hebrew - Torah), <b>or the prophets</b>: <b>I am come not to destroy, but to fulfil.</b>
For verily I say unto you. <b>Till heaven and earth pass,</b> <b>one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.</b>
Whosoever therefore shall <b>break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. </b> BIBLE Matthew 5: 17-19
Now you are saying that “we are not, nor have we ever been bound by the Mosaic Law”
You see, you may convince me if you can bring some verses <b>FROM THE LIPS of Jesus Christ </b> where he himself said that "we are not bound by the law" Otherwise, <b>Mathew 5:17-19 clearly states that you must follow the Law/Torah otherwise you will be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven. </b>
Quote:When Moses agreed to allow divorce amongst the Israelites, it was neither divine nor natural law. It was a man-made decision.
So you are saying that God inspired Moses to write something <b>which was not divine</b>? Or you mean that <b>the first 5 books of Moses were not inspired by God at all, and they were man made decision?</b> If they were inspired by God, <b>then they are indeed divine and so they are valid because Jesus did not come to change the law or the teaching of the Prophets. </b>
Quote:How sweet it is for a Muslim to preach the Gospel as though he's a Theology professor & Biblical scholar!
First of all I am not preaching “the Bible”, I am only a student of several other religions and using Timothy in this manner <b>was taught to me by a Bible scholar</b>. The above mentioned verse is crystal clear and doesn’t need any help from any Bible scholar to interpret. And if i misuse it as you claimed, then please explain to me what it means!!
Quote:I'd appreciate it if you didn't use the holy Word of God as a weapon to win your battles. Be humble enough to ask questions in a non-sarcastic way rather than dictate your own answers.
What are you talking about? <b>Did you understand why I’ve quoted 2 Timothy 3:16 in the first place?? </b>
Quote:There are no contradictions in the Bible! There are no one liners in the Bible! There are no errors in the Bible!
Everything in the Bible is inspired! God is the principle author of the Bible!
These are different topics in which we may discuss on other threads. We respect your beliefs anyways.
Quote:There is nothing more dangerous than a Muslim alone in a room with a Bible!
Wow… is this your own judgment?
Quote:I hope you understand what I'm trying to say & I sincerly apologize if I'm being too brutal. But I'm sure you get frustrated too when people misinterpret Islam.
No, not at all, I am fine and open for more discussions, in fact I always ask Non Muslims what do you think is wrong with Islam, and accept their criticism with smiling face. So don’t get emotional while discussing issues in the Bible, or else no need to discuss at all. :)
Salam
Wael.