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Quote:The quran is complete without doubt which commands us to do actions and forbids us from carrying out certain actions.


However, it does not give us detailed information on what steps to take in-order to fulfill the command.


For example, Allah SWT tells us to perform salah, sawm and hajj etc. But the quran does not give us ellaborate detail on how to achieve or carry out these commands. So when we do our salah, we do it because it is a command from Allah SWT and how we do it is based upon the sunnah/hadith of Rasool (SAW). The Qur’aan does not mention how many Rak`ahs (units of prayer) we should make, or how to physically move during prayer, or the time for prayer. Similarly, the Qur’aan does not mention the minimum amount of money to have before giving Zakaat (charity) or the conditions by which to pay it.

Peace be upon you.


<b>Salah</b>


The Five Times Are Specified in the Quran


(1) The Dawn Prayer is mentioned by name in 24:58. Before sunrise.


(2) The Noon Prayer is specified in 17:78. When the sun declines.


(3) The Afternoon Prayer is in 2:238. Midway between noon & sunset.


(4) The Sunset Prayer is mentioned in 11:114. Immediately after sunset.


(5) The Night Prayer is in 11:114, and is mentioned by name in 24:58.


"O you who believe, in preparation for the Contact Prayer, you shall


(1) wash your faces,


(2) wash your arms to the elbows,


(3) wipe your heads with wet hands, and


(4) wash your feet to the ankles." [Quran 5:6]


If water is not available, one must touch clean dry soil, then wipe his hands and face. This suffices as a substitute for ablution (4:43, 5:6).


The Major Ablution:


Following any sexual activity that results in a climax (orgasm/ejaculation), one must bath or take a shower (4:43).


Qibla:


Face the direction of Mecca (Qiblah): 2:125.


Your Tone of Voice During the Contact Prayers:


"You shall not be too loud during your Contact Prayers, nor shall you say them secretly; you shall maintain an intermediate tone" [17:110].


1. The Dawn Prayer must be observed during two hours before sunrise [11:114], [24:58].


2. The Noon Prayer is due when the sun declines from its highest point at noon [17:78].


3. The Afternoon Prayer can be observed during the 3-4 hours preceding sunset [2:238].


4. The Sunset Prayer is due after sunset [11:114].


5. The Night Prayer can be observed after the twilight disappears from the sky [24:58].


The Friday noon congregational prayer is an obligatory duty of every Submitting man and woman [62:9]. Failure to observe the Friday Prayer is a gross offense.


Who founded Salah?


Abraham. [21:73] [22:78]


Submission.org (note: they have wrong ideas, and Rashad Khalifa may have lost his mind, but the mathmatics is true...):


All the 5 contact prayers confirmed.


[1] Sura 1 is God's gift to us, to establish contact with Him (Salat). Write the sura number and the number of verses next to each other and you get 17, the total number of units in the 5 daily prayers.


[2] Let us write down the sura number, followed by the number of each verse in the sura. This is what we get:


1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.


[3] Now, let us replace each verse number by the number of letters in that verse. This is what we get:


1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43 also a multiple of 19.


Theoretically, one can alter the letters of Sura 1, and still keep the same number of letters, however, the following mathematical phenomena rule out that possibility. For the gematrical value of every single letter is taken into consideration. Here it is:


Properties of Sura 1,The Key


Verse No. No. of Letters Gematrical Value


1 19 786


2 17 581


3 12 618


4 11 241


5 19 836


6 18 1072


7 43 6009


[4] Let us include the gematrical value of every verse, and write it down following the number of letters in each verse:


1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009 also a multiple of 19.


[5] Now, let us add the number of each verse, followed by the number of letters in that verse, then the gematrical value of that verse.


This is what we get:


1 1 19 786 2 17 581 3 12 618 4 11 241 5 19 836 6 18 1072 7 43 6009a multiple of 19.


[6] Instead of the gematrical value of every verse, let us write down the gematrical values of every individual letter in Sura 1.


This truly awesome miracle shows that the resulting long number, consisting of 274 digits, is also a multiple of 19.


1 7 1 19 2 60 40 1 30 30 5 1 30 200 8 40 50 1 30 200 8 10 40 2 17 ...50


This number starts with the sura number, followed by the number of verses in the sura, followed by the verse number, followed by the number of letters in this verse, followed by the gematrical values of every letter in this verse, followed by the number of the next verse, followed by the number of letters in this verse, followed by the gematrical values of every letter in this verse, and so on to the end of the sura. Thus, the last component is 50, the value of "N" (last letter).


[7] Since I cannot write very long numbers here, let us substitute [*] for the long number consisting of the number of every verse, followed by the number of letters in the verse, followed by the gematrical value of every individual letter in the verse. If we write down the number of the sura, followed by its number of verses, we get 17, the number of units (Rak'aas) in the 5 daily prayers.


Next to the 17, write down the number of the first prayer (1), followed by its number of Rak'aas, which is 2, then two [*]'s, followed by the number of the second prayer (2), followed by the number of Rak'aas in the second prayer (4), followed by four [*]'s, and so on.


Not only is the resulting long number a multiple of 19, but it is also the number of its component digits; 4636 (19x244) ....


Please note that any representation of Sura 1 can replace the [*]'s without affecting the outcome; all of them give multiples of 19.


For example, a short representation of "The Key" consists of the Sura number (1), followed by the verses (7), followed by the total number of letters in Sura 1 (139), followed by the total gematrical value of the whole sura (10143). The resulting number (1713910143) can also represent [*].


1712[*][*]24[*][*][*][*]34[*][*][*][*]43[*][*][*]54[*][*][*][*]


Confirmation of the Friday prayer


[8] Since the Friday prayer consists of two sermons and two Rak'aas (total is still 4 units), we read only 15 "Keys" on Friday, compared with 17 on the other days. If we replace the 17 by 15 in the long number in [7] and remove two "Keys" from the noon prayer, we still get a multiple of 19. This confirms the Friday Prayer, at noon, with 2 "Keys." The long number shown below represents Friday's five prayers; it is a multiple of 19.


1512[*][*]24[*][*]34[*][*][*][*]43[*][*][*][*]54[*][*][*][*]


The Key must be recited in Arabic


[9] The first sura in the Quran is mathematically composed in a manner that challenges and stumps the greatest mathematicians on earth. Now we appreciate the fact that when we recite Sura 1, "The Key," during our Contact Prayers something happens in the universe, and we establish contact with our Creator. The result is perfect happiness, now and forever.


By contacting our Almighty Creator 5 times a day, we nourish and develop our souls in preparation for the Big Day when we meet God. Only those who nourish their soul will be able to withstand and enjoy the physical presence of Almighty God. All submitters, of all nationalities, recite the words of "The Key" which were written by God Himself, and given to us to establish contact with Him [2:37].


When you recite "The Key" in Arabic, your lips touch each other precisely 19 times. Your lips touch each other where the letters "B" and "M" occur. There are 4 "B's" and 15 "M's" and this adds up to 19. The gematrical value of the 4 "B's" is 4x2=8, and the gematrical value of the 15 "M's" is 15x40=600. The total gematrical value of the 4 "B's" and 15 "M's" is 608, that is 19x32.


Word Letter Value


1 Bism B 2


2 Bism M 40


3 Rahman M 40


4 Rahim M 40


5 Al-Hamdu M 40


6 Rub B 2


7 `Alamin M 40


8 Rahman M 40


9 Rahim M 40


10 Malik M 40


Word Letter Value


11 Yawm M 40


12 Na'budu B 2


13 Mustaqim M 40


14 Mustaqim M 40


15 An`amta M 40


16 `Alayhim M 40


17 Maghdub M 40


18 Maghdub B 2


19 `Alayhim M 40


608 (19x32)


Number of bowing (Ruku'), prostration (Sujood), and tashahud


[10] One of the common challenges...is: "If the Quran is complete and fully detailed (as claimed in [6:19, 38, 114], where are the details of the Contact Prayers?"


These people ask this question because they are not aware that the Quran informs us that the Contact Prayers came from Abraham ([21:73] [22:78]. If we write down the numbers of the prayers with their bowings, prostrations and Tashahhuds, we get:


1 1 2 2 4 1 2 4 4 8 2 3 4 4 8 2 4 3 3 6 2 5 4 4 8 2


This long number consists of the sura that we recite in the 5 prayers


(1) followed by the number of the first prayer (1), then the number of "Keys" that we recite in this prayer (2), then the number of bowings (Ruku`) (2), then the number of prostrations (4), then the number of Tashahhuds (in the sitting position) (1), then the number of the second prayer (2), then the number of "Keys" that we recite in the second prayer (4), then the number of bowings (Ruku`) in this prayer (4), then the number of prostrations (8), then the number of Tashahhuds (2), then the number of the third prayer (3), and so on to the last prayer. This long number is a multiple of 19, and this confirms the minutest details of the prayers, even in the number of Ruku`, Sujud, and Tashahhud.


What to say during the bowing


[22:77] "O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, worship your Lord, and work righteousness, that you may succeed."


See also, 2:43, 2:125, 5:55, 9:112, 22:26 and 48:29.


For falling prostrate also see; 3:113, 4:102, 7:206, 13:15, 15:98, 16:49, 17:107, 19:58, 22:18, 25:64, 41:37, 48:29, 53:62, 76:26, and 96:19,


What to say when we bow down: (Subhana Rabbya Al-Azeem), can be found in 56:74


[56:74] "You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great. ' (Fa-Sabbeh Be-Ism Rabbeka Al-Azeem)


What to say when you get up from bowing


"Sami-a Allahu Le-man Hamedahu" (God hears those who praise Him)


[3:38] "That is when Zachariah implored his Lord: "My Lord, grant me such a good child; You are the Hearer of the prayers."


AND,


[52:48] "You shall steadfastly persevere in carrying out your Lord's command - you are in our eyes - and glorify and praise your Lord when you get up."


What to say during the prostration


"Subhana Rabbya Al-A'ala " can be found in 87:1


[87:1] "Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High." (Sabbeh Ism Rabbeka Al-A'ala)


Shahada (Tashahhod)


La Elaha Ella Allah (There is no god besides God).


The Shahada recited after the prostration of the second Rakaat and at the end of the prayers can be found in 3:18. This is the Shahada of God, the angels and those who possess knowledge. The Shahada of the hypocrites can be found in 63:1


[3:18] "GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, (La Elaha Ella Ho, Ho in reference to God, Allah ) and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise."




Quote:Many of our `Ibaadaat cannot be performed without stopping at the explanations related to the regulations, pillars, and conditions of nullification. It is thus a must to return to Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) to know the rules in a comprehensive and clear manner.


So therefore, we cannot follow the quran without following the sunnah as there are many evidences to support this.


"And We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought." [Qur’aan 16:44]

That's pretty weak evidence. What is Muhammed, peace and blessings upon him? He's a messenger. What do messengers bring? Messages. He brought the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the message.




Quote:Allah also made it clear to us that the duty of Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) is to clarify the truth to people when there is a dispute:


"And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe." [Qur’aan 16:64]

Glorious Qur'an [16:63]: By God, We have sent others to nations before you, but the devil adorned their work for them. So he is their ally today, and they will have a painful retribution.


Glorious Qur'an [16:64]: And We did not send down the Scripture to you except that you may clarify to them that in which they disputed, and as a guidance and mercy to a people who believe.


It's obvious the 'scripture' is talking about the Qur'an. There is nothing to do with Muhammed, peace and blessings upon him.




Quote:We are obligated to follow any ruling by Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) in any dispute:


"But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." [Qur’aan 4:65]

It says in the surrounding verses: 'We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with GOD's will...Never indeed, by your Lord; they are not believers unless they come to you to judge in their disputes, then find no hesitation in their hearts whatsoever in accepting your judgment. They must submit a total submission.'


Notice how the verses speak in the PRESENT tense! Wow...i never knew Muhammed, peace and blessings upon him, was still alive. We're having a dispute now. Let's take it to him now. We have to accept his judgement.


Lol. It's obviously speaking about when the Rasool was ALIVE.


It does not mention following his teachings.


Infact it tells us to follow his judgement. However he cannot judge our situation. Why? Because he is dead. We'll have to wait for Isa, peace and blessings upon him, or the Mehdi, if we want a judge now.




Quote:Therefore, muslims cannot follow attain Allah SWT's pleasure without referring to the sunnah as the quran and sunnah is what makes Islaam just like H2O makes water!

Not really. I'm a Muslim. Never read the Sunnah or Hadith properly. Don't need them. I just need the Qur'an.


Let us remember Hadiths and Sunna were issued by a simple camel trader. The Qur'an was issued by an All-Powerful God.


may God bless you.

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