Jesus In Islam

[Anyabwile]

No one, not even you, Ronni, can deny that the same cannot be said of the Bible. I have never seen or heard of a Bible that has the <b>original</b> text right next to the translation. So with the Qur'an, any variation in *translation* can be easily resolved by looking at the arabic.

This....is....all...i'm...trying....to....say. Those links are presented to us like it's the first time we've seen them. This is all the stuff i went through when looking into Islam. No matter how many changes, additions even in the earliest days, the <b>orginal </b>is always there to reference when any errors come up. It's like the reepicheep corruption thing. Reepichep will not even accept the bible is corrupted as in, it is a...<i>departure from the original</i>. Then Reepicheep asks me to show verses which are corrupt, when he/she doesn't even accept my definition of the word corrupt anyway. Completely pointless...i'm never going to play a game like this.


It's the same with you Ronni, i could put a lot of work into showing you what i found when i first looked into the Qur'an being corrupt way back. Most of it i jot down, or type down to send to people ask questions find out for myself and i have it all somewhere on PC. But then if i present to you why i belive the Qur'an is authentic, in a full post. Would you accept it? Honestly? Knowing how you obviously feel about Muslims and Islam would you? I think even you know i would be wasting my time.


People have ignored your links because we've seen them before, been through it all and moved on from this way back. They would be referred to if you approached us in the spirit of wantng to learn. If a Christian came to this board and said "i'm a commited Christian but have a question about Islam, this website says the Qur'an may have been changed etc etc, can someone please help with this" I would be the <b>first</b> to show him/her the stuff i learned about the early so called variants. This wouldn't be a mission to convert to Islam, i would simply show the stuff i learned and why so and so doesnt prove The original Qur'an has been changed to me, and to every other Muslim. As a Muslim God saying the Qur'an <b>will always remain in it's original form </b> is obviously a big confidence boost no other religion has If it wasn't in it's original form then by defintion God would have made a mistake. And i wouldn't have become Muslim, because this was one of the first verses i read in the Qur'an. Unlike the bible, the book will be guarded. This fascinated me, because obviously now if it isn't then Muslims follow a God who makes mistakes, so this really got me looking. So yes...As a Muslim God saying the Qur'an <b>will always remain in it's original form </b> is obviously a big confidence boost


But of course non muslims won't and obviously shouldnt have to accept this, so i would be more than willing to show them links that prove otherwise or my own research i found in my agnostic searching stages. Why not, i know Islam is the truth, there is NOTHING to hide, if there was, i would be fooling myself. I'm too proud to fool myself, so i look into everything, even if it's offensive. So please understand this Ronni.


Do you see what i'm trying to say then? You don't even want to learn, look at your last comment here, all Muslims DONT WANT TO BELIVE IT. This is why they accept the Qur'an is untouched, you include me in this as well i assume. How offensive. This is like me saying all Christians are stupid if they follow the Bible, this is obviously not true, i don't understand how they follow it i admit. But clearly some of the worlds most intelligent people must be Christians, amongst those of other faiths. I just think they havent looked deep enough into it, or find the family rejection etc so difficult, or various other reasons, but i cannot say they are ALL stupid as you say ALL MUSLIMS DONT WANT TO BELIVE IT. How offensive.


You really have got to watch how you speak. Come with the right approach then people will take the time needed to go though your links....and it does take time, but if someone is genuinely confused with something like i was, all i can do is show them how i came to my conclusions, which i would gladly do. But with your attitude right now, all Muslims belive it because they accept what scholars say like idiots, personally i haven't got the time for deep debate with someone such as this.


I'll chuck in a bit of sarcasm as they do, throw some harshness as they do, but nothing serious. As i've said before, as long as you keep coming at us in the way you do, you will never get your answers, and rightly so. Only a few have the patience to bother Umm, Lailan, Muslimah, Dan i'm not amongst that type with that much patience when someone is being directly offensive to me (my religion) personally. Most people at this forum know i'm not, and i'm not going to pretend to be. I'm too old school, if someone is nice to me i'm nice to them, if they're not nice to me i'm not nice to them. An Imam has told me this is the wrong attitude and it is, i know it is. Members here have told me to chill, be nice to you but i've had 25 yrs of being told if someone is nice to you, treat them like a King, if they kick you in the shins, kick back. So please everyone give me time!!!! I'm only still a fresh Muslim learning daily. Insha Allah my attitude will change but for now. I've even made Dua to try and ignore the rudeness and be positive. I need to make more.


I approached Islam with a lot of negative things about it on my back as a whole, Mohammed (peace be upon him) is this, as a person of African origin i would have been a slave to Mohammed (peace be upon him) and in his eyes, the Qur'an has satanic verses, there are missing Chapters, the original Qur'an was burned, Christianity will accept me, Islam is an Arab religion, A group of Christians and Jews wrote Qur'an, there are changed chapters. All of this i have gone through Ronni, please please listen to me <b>all of this </b>i looked into, many months researched and came through happy confident that the Qur'an is the 100% untouched word of God. And the comments about Islam were from contorted texts and the results of fear, this is what i saw as a clear thinking person still an agnostic at this point. I hadnt even taken Shahada or anything. So i have to repeat...





All of this i have gone through Ronni


I'm stunned by the assumption that as a Muslim i have gone into this Blind, i mean for goodness sake, how many times have i said how i found this. The arrogant assumption that i'm some fool who takes what i'm told and accepts it without looking for myself. Honestly, you know i am passionate about my religion now obviously, but i would like to think you know i would genuinely answer a question you had, if you approached me nicely as opposed to offensively. I felt the same about you, this is why i requested your help with some posts i had about Christianity a few weeks ago, or a week or so ago.


If you or anyone came to me and asked "Is the Qur'an the original look i've seen this site" I would never say "NO NO NO DONT LOOK ITS NOT GOOD TO LOOK AT THISE SITES, ITS THE ORIGINAL END OF STORY" <b>Of course</b> i wouldn't have such an approach...if someone would have came to me with that approach it would have put me RIGHT off Islam, so i know if i want to show people the truth of Islam, it's through stages, breaking down the portions that people question giving them my opinions, what i have researched...and then leaving them to think on it. But i'm never going to take this time with someone who's coming at me like an offensive *******


So as i've said to you about three times now, you change your tone, and watch how you'll get the answers and the debates you want, but carry on and this will continue as two sides clashing and getting no where. Not much more i can say on this. Also to everyone else, you'll have to ban me if you want me to change how i respond to attacks on my religion because i will never leave an offensive post on here from a Christian or Athiest unanswered Insha Allah. So the only way to silence me would be to ban me, i love Islam too much.