Jesus In Islam

[ronniv93]

Hello laian,

As for the Qur'an, there are plenty of miracles in the Qur'an that I think would be proof enough. But I think you are just choosing to ignore those because you want to draw parallels between the Muslim and Christian beliefs regarding their respective books.

No I am not choosing to ignore anything. A few years ago, I heard about a book called "130 evident miracles of the Quran." I thought, "WOW! This is exciting. This book will probably serve as proof once and for all whether the Quran is a Divine revelation and miracle or not."


I wish I could get my money back.


Out of the 130 so-called evidences, not more than 10 made me even want to take a deeper look into it. It was a ridiculous book and if that's all the "proof" available, then I will forever remain unconvinced. Any "miracle" you could point to, I have probably already read about in this book.


It amazes me how much scrutiny Muslims put the Bible under and how simple the "tests" or "proofs" are that are accepted for the Quran.

Just one example out of the countless in the Qur'an, is the description of the embryo in the womb as it develops. It is described perfectly, with the different time phases and the physical description of what it looked like. How would anyone in Prophet Mohammed's saws time know what an embryo *looked like*?

I have seen this "proof". IMHO, it takes a lot of twisting and mind contortions to accept this one. It's not necessary to go into why I don't accept this "miracle" here as it doesn't have anything to do with my initial question anyway.

I just want to clarify that believing Mohammed saws to be illiterate is not a requirement to be a Muslim. However, a Muslim will believe in his book (Qur'an) and the Qur'an states that he was, so Muslims believe this.

Not exactly, as the sites I quoted brought up. It calls Muhammad an <i>ummi</i>, which in Arabic apparently COULD mean illiterate OR one who has never received scriptures before. Remember what I said earlier, the same term was used of Muhammad's people at the time, too.


So, if it <b>really</b> means illiterate, then that means ALL the Arabs to whom he carried his message to were illiterate. If that is the case, how could any of them write down what he said if they were all illiterate?


Does the Arabic word mean one thing when it refers to Muhammad and something else when used for the Arab community he preached Islam to? If so, then what explains the difference?

I used to be Christian and yes, we learned that Mary married Joseph, but I learned that they married after Jesus (as) was born,

Learned from where, please? What source?

and that yes both Mary and Joseph were visited by Gabriel so they both knew what was going on, so that Joseph seeing Mary with a baby would not think she was unchaste and would still marry her.

You say you WERE a Christian? Where did this information come from, then, about Joseph seeing Mary with a baby. He was with her BEFORE the birth of the baby, so he didn't just meet her afterward.

Now I have a question... as a Christian, I never learned that Mary or Joseph or anyone HID the fact that Jesus (as) was not Joseph's son.... where did you learn that?

Nor am I saying that they *hid* anything. It is other individuals who are somehow reading that into my statements.

And I sincerely have the question, why would people have accepted Jesus (as) as the Messiah later if they had all thought he was Joseph's son?

Actually, you should remember the story ([/i]since you say you were a Christian before[/i]) where that exact challenge was made about Jesus' claim. Some people said (and I'm paraphrasing), "Hey, isn't that Joseph's son? We know him; we know his parents. Don't we know his brothers?" Why don't I just quote the actual story?

<b>John 6</b>
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.



42 <b>And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?</b>


43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

What about the nativity scene story? Wise men were bringing gifts, why would they do that if they thought it was just another human?

Those men KNEW He was the promised Messiah and King because they saw a sign in the sky - a star in the east- and they came to worship Him.


That's why I said in an earlier post to Umm_Zachariah that you can't limit the signs of Jesus to just this one thing. Do you all limit YOUR "signs" of the Quran or Muhammad to just one thing?


Then why are some people trying to do that to Jesus?

That's a sincere question on my part, because that idea doesn't make sense to me.

Quick question for you: Can you tell me what made you a Christian or how you initially became Christian and then what made you leave? Out of curiosity; it may help me understand your perspective a little better.

Also, as Umm pointed out, Joseph is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an, so it really becomes a non-issue for Muslims.

So, I guess that's something Christians just made up, too, according to Islam?