Jesus In Islam

[laian]

Assalamu alaikum everyone,


wow this has become a HUGE topic.


I only want to respond to the thing about the Bible vs Qur'an...


Ronni, you said:

Out of all that I have read, there has never been enough to prove that the Quran was divinely revealed. For all that YOU all have read, there is nothing that proves that the Bible was divinely revealed.

I'm sure you have heard before that Muslims believe the Bible was *originally* a divine message, but has since been tampered with, edited, changed, mistranslated, or whatever else could have happened to it by humans. I'm sure this concept is not new to anyone on this board.


As for the Qur'an, there are plenty of miracles in the Qur'an that I think would be proof enough. But I think you are just choosing to ignore those because you want to draw parallels between the Muslim and Christian beliefs regarding their respective books.


You also said,

Now, for me and many other Christians, we actually see the manifestation of the things written in the Bible AND FOR US, that serves as proof.

As I just mentioned there are many miracles in the Qur'an that can serve as proof, and they have been "manifested" over time. Just one example out of the countless in the Qur'an, is the description of the embryo in the womb as it develops. It is described perfectly, with the different time phases and the physical description of what it looked like. How would anyone in Prophet Mohammed's saws time know what an embryo *looked like*? But with modern science now we know, so that description has been "manifested." There are way too many other examples of things like this in the Qur'an, only Allah can know everything about his creation, where else could that information have come from?


Another thing you mentioned was

Where in the Quran does it say that to be considered a Muslim, you have to believe that Muhammad was illiterate?

I just want to clarify that believing Mohammed saws to be illiterate is not a requirement to be a Muslim. However, a Muslim will believe in his book (Qur'an) and the Qur'an states that he was, so Muslims believe this.


Lastly, about Mary and Joseph...


I used to be Christian and yes, we learned that Mary married Joseph, but I learned that they married after Jesus (as) was born, and that yes both Mary and Joseph were visited by Gabriel so they both knew what was going on, so that Joseph seeing Mary with a baby would not think she was unchaste and would still marry her.


Now I have a question... as a Christian, I never learned that Mary or Joseph or anyone HID the fact that Jesus (as) was not Joseph's son.... where did you learn that? And I sincerely have the question, why would people have accepted Jesus (as) as the Messiah later if they had all thought he was Joseph's son? What about the nativity scene story? Wise men were bringing gifts, why would they do that if they thought it was just another human?


That's a sincere question on my part, because that idea doesn't make sense to me.


Also, as Umm pointed out, Joseph is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an, so it really becomes a non-issue for Muslims.