01-12-2005, 04:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2005, 04:23 PM by umm Zachariah.)
Hi Ronniv,
Thanks for your prompt reply.
Let me back a bit to have the chain complete?
<i>''The most important for example is that he spoke in the cradle to prove his mother's innocense from committing zina (sex outside the wedlock).''</i>
Sister Muslimahs answer - to that you responded
<i>''What would be the purpose of this "miracle" since Mary was married to Joseph? People would just assume (as they did) that Jesus' was Joseph's son.'' </i>
She wasn't a single mother.''
And then your respons to me
''<i>...ESPECIALLY since WE KNOW that Joseph was NOT His biological father, because the apostles have related that fact to us.''</i>
Yes, you are right I believe that the Messiah does not have any father, but Christianity gives a double face on this, since you said that ''people assumed that Jesus' was Joseph's son''? So Joseph then let them believe that it was his son, is that what you are telling me? Ronniv, this is confusing, WHO is the true father of Messiah OR CREATOR as I know it?
Next point,
<i>''Who could then blame people if they didn't believe in him if they were told that Messiah HAD a father, Joseph, as you are saying here? '' - </i>
''This was not the only qualification, though. You cannot limit Jesus' signs to just this 1 thing.''
I feel you avoid the question a bit, since we were not discussing his other qualifications, I am aware of some of them since I as a Muslim also believe he is the Messiah, and that is not the issue here.
Next point,
<i>''There's no charade involved. There's no fooling people since no one would have thought to question the matter in the first place.''</i>
I don't know if we are following the same thread here. IF Joseph pretends that the son is HIS, isn't that living on falsehood?
I cannot see 'lying' or avoiding to tell the truth about fatherhood as a virtue - it doesn't make sense, I repeat that again, sorry.
Regards