Jesus In Islam

[Anyabwile]

Your way of speaking is becoming increasingly offensive, but i'll continue. For example here....

Oh, so you're saying that the Quran wasn't written by men? Did Muhammad see the "hand of God" writing onto pieces of paper or something?

you know clearly what i mean, yet the usual Christian attempt to have a little poke is used. Forget i said written by men then, if you really want to do this kind of back and forth then forget i said written by men. What i should have said was the bible isn't the direct word of God. It's what men have documented and jotted down changing bits here and there as they please. Christians agree with me as far as the changing goes. You seem to be the only one who doesn't.

Prove to me that this passage is incorrect or has been corrupted or inserted. And what would have been the reason or motive for adding these supposed "false words" into Jesus' mouth?  If one cannot show me that THIS PASSAGE was somehow purposely altered then there's no argument.  We must deal with the passage as is unless you can prove it to be falsified.

Once again, where did i say the passage was altered, i was simply saying i'm not interested in taking it as any kind of fact, simply because of where it came from. What is the bible? Is it the Divine un altered words of God like the Qur'an? Or is it a mess of changes, alterations and stories. If there was something in the Bible which seemed likely Jesus said, outside of the Qur'an i'd probably go with it. But anything else, like directly opposing what is said in the Qur'an, i wouldn't feel comfortable taking as fact.

I cannot agree with you that there is nothing solid in the Bible.

And there's a surprise...you're forgetting i've actually read through this thing. And am reading it now.

Muslims pick and choose selective verses to try to prove to Christians that they respect Jesus.

I thought you've read the Qur'an? Have you actually read the chapters on Mary "chosen above women of all nations" and the chapters on Jesus? To say that we pick and choose things to try and show we respect Jesus is either something you've mistakenly said at the spur of the moment just now, or is something you've said because you haven't actually read the Qur'an, even though i belive you told us you had. Jesus is mentioned by name something like 25 times more than The Prophet is (Peace be upon them both)

Okay, so should I accept the words of some Islamic scholars who say that the Quran has different Arabic versions or that some ayats of the Quran are missing or were left out?  Or what about the people who say that there were some verses (i.e., the so-called "satanic verses") that WERE in the Quran but later removed.

It's funny how you say this like it's something i should stop in my tracks suprised about. I know of the oddballs who have said all of these things, this is the stuff i got assaulted with when i first became Muslim remeber, i have looked into it all, and seen it's all the usual quite honestly, tedious shock tactics one or two people resort to get some attention. If this kind of thing was going to stop me being Muslim i would have stopped when i was first shown these things and claims about the Qur'an. But i havent,i looked into it, i've read everyhting possible on and offline and found all the claims to be completely untrue and have moved on. It's only when you breifly read it you think "hold on what this" then you read about the people, their history and the lies start to seep out of their works. But you don't want to hear this so...however start a new post is the Qur'an the word of God has it been tampered, and the others here will be able to give you better responses with more detail than i ever could. I would simply sigh and say "Yes..yes it is the word of god" and leave it there.


I can confidently say with my hand on my heart the Qur'an is untouched, not only because since it was revelead it has been fully memorised by a large number of Muslims in their heart who have a special name i forget now, so this erases any added verses and whatever in it anyway. It's been memorised from day one to beginning to end. I can confidently say with my hand on my heart the Qur'an is untouched because i belive it to be the word of God and it says in it, that it will be be <b>Guarded from corruption</b>. So if i belive in God as a Muslim i belive it's been guarded...but this wouldn't be enough for you i understand so...i can also say with my hand on my heart the Qur'an is untouched because after having to research myself into whether it was or not, as far as i can with my limited talents in this field do, i came away confident it wasn't and thus i am Muslim. You're forgetting Ronni, i've had all these cheap tactics before the first few months i was Muslim, honestly i have, it's not new to me. Been there and done it all.


So i can say with my hand on my heart 100% confidence, that the Qur'an is untouched, whether you belive me or not is irrelevant, i can actually personally from my heart, say this with 100% confidence, the Qur'an is completely untouched...<b>can you do the same with the Bible Ronnie?</b>

Will you stop being Muslim because some other Muslims believe these kinds of things?

Wow thanks a lot, you sound like my ex. "you became Muslim because they forced you to be" Forgetting, as i have told you now several times, i became Muslim because i looked into all other religions, found them to be completely unsatisfactory, Christianity being the worst as far as authenticy what with it being tampered with etc and chose Islam.


This was when i was Agnostic. So saying i'm Muslim because i belive what other Muslims think would be a fair accusation....if it was true. Thank you for resorting to the old patronising tactics and style of writing we used to <b>both </b>go at each other with. Why i don't know, i thought we were doing ok just debating. Still...


You know full well i can battle if this is what you want...seems so. Look at my early posts to you, i was trying my best with Allah as my witness. But yeah we can do this if you want. It's good sparring practise. I get this stuff daily.