Strange Things

[ronniv93]

Muslimah, this entire post is dedicated to you. Don’t you feel special?


I’m kidding with you. *smile *


Okay, to clearly answer your questions”

Could not u see her question is if the Quran was complete why did we have to learn prayer in Sunnah.

I believe this is a legitimate question to ask. Others, I’m sure, have asked the same question. I’ve even known of other Muslims who had this same question. So, I was really just trying to understand; not to imply anything one way or another.

If a Muslim attacks Quran as u brought in the other link then he is not a Muslim.

I sort of decided to leave alone the issue of the textual history of the Quran for the time being, as that can become a VERY lengthy discussion with everyone having to go away and check source of information, verify things, etc. I don’t believe, however, as you say; I don’t believe that this author was in any way attacking the Quran. Did you get a chance to read a little bit of his book? He comes across as a very true Muslim; he never implies that the Quran is anything less than the very words of Allah. He cites many books, articles by other Muslims in his bibliography section. He defends the belief that there has never been a change in any doctrine of Islam at all.

In the anti Islam sites, they even dont fight in a logical way, but what they do for people like u, is they post Ayahs from Quran but missing parts.

Well… I feel the same way about anti-Christian sites. Quite illogical and the "evidence" is usually weak, at best. But, that’s another issue, right? Anyway, I know that anti-anything sites can be biased and can tend to turn people off. That’s why you won’t see me posting very much from them. The site I posted from was a pro-Islam, pro-Muslim site.

Also I will appreciate if u tell us why u r here?

I think I answered this in an earlier post. If insufficient, let me know.

Obviously u read Quran, u feel somehow insecured specially with reverts around u, telling u u might be wrong.

I don’t agree with this statement. I don’t even know anyone on this site, yet, who’s reverted except Anyabwile and there’s one other person, I believe, who may have mentioned it.


To be honest with you, the majority of the “revert” (i.e., from Christian to Muslim) stories I’ve heard or read usually only solidified in my mind what I believe already. If I keep reading those, they'll just help make me stronger as a Christian. I mean, it's funny and yet sad at the same time to read some of them. Most of the time, the people show such a pitiful lack of understanding of even some basic Christian doctrines that I have to wonder if they ever actually STUDIED or were ever truly Christian in the first place.


Especially the people who say things like, "I always went to church, got baptized," yada... yada... yada... Well, if they knew even something basic about the faith, they would know that THAT does not make you a Christian.


I know there are claims of former priests and ministers who converted, too, but guess what? That ALONE means nothing to me. A lot of THEM had the "silliest" questions and doubts in their mind regarding the Bible that I have to wonder if they're lying or not about their position.


So, I look for answers for MYSELF, because other people’s stories have been so unconvincing to me. Anyway, let me get off this point for now.

the QURAN WAS NOt WRITTEN by Mohamed peace and prayer be upon him. It was revealed from Allah to him

Wasn’t clear with my words. This is what I meant.


BTW, on this point, are you of the belief that Muhammad was illiterate? I hear different interpretations of the word, I think it’s <i>ummi</i>??? Something like that. Sorry, I can’t remember it exactly.

u never answered this point:
ronniv make up your mind:


(To me, Jesus Christ *is* the Word of God. He is described as the Son of God in the Gospels; not as some physical son as if our Creator had some sort of intercourse with a human being to produce Him. I believe that Jesus Christ has always existed and always will. He came to be the mediator of a new covenant and redemeed mankind by being the sinless, spotless sacrifice for our sins.)


(For the Christian, Jesus is/was God manifest in the flesh.)


Now which is which

He is all of the above and more.


Jesus is the Word of God, according to John chapter 1. Everything He spoke was an expression of God’s word and will.


He is God manifested in the flesh also. When we say this, we mean that Jesus’ essence was Divine. He had ability DIRECTLY as a result of his very nature being holy, pure and Divine. He was never created; Jesus has always existed as He said with His own mouth. Jesus was the only person in history to never sin in thought, word or deed. He was perfect in everything. There can be none perfect except God, thus this is further proof to me that Jesus was Divine.


The title “Son of God” is an expression of Jesus’ relationship with God the Father. Jesus WILLINGLY submitted to God the Father in coming to earth to be the propitiation for man’s sins.

The expression "Son of God", is an analogical term.  It indicates origin, a close association, or identification.  In Christian theology it describes the relationship of two persons of the triune God.  It expresses an intimate relationship between two persons:  God the Father, and God the Son - Jesus the Messiah.

Jesus was prophet, priest, king, savior... I could go on and on about the names, titles and authority that Jesus has.