Are American and European muslims more liberal?

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom

khairan, just to confirm, was your post regarding alcohl drinking for the sake of argument or this is how u understood it????

[naseeha]

as salam alykomkhairan, just to confirm, was your post regarding alcohl drinking for the sake of argument or this is how u understood it????

heheheh good question

[Khairan]

as salam alykomkhairan, just to confirm, was your post regarding alcohl drinking for the sake of argument or this is how u understood it????

No, it wasn't. Dan made a point about the later verses of the Qu'ran abrogating each other on the topic of alcohol. With your first post, it wasn't clear to me what position you were taking on the issue, so I was asking you to clarify (and you did).

[Muslimah]

additional important point Khairan, IT IS NOT MY POSITION.

u seem always confused about this, the ayahs are very clear, I think I explained them two times.

U seem to always fall into this problem regarding issues as my opinion or historical position. which again makes me concerned about u brother.

[Khairan]

additional important point Khairan, IT IS NOT MY POSITION.  u seem always confused about this, the ayahs are very clear, I think I explained them two times.

U seem to always fall into this problem regarding issues as my opinion or historical position. which again makes me concerned about u brother.

Muslimah, I regard EVERYTHING as someone's opinion. I don't see how any other response is possible. Just because I say it is your opinion doesn't mean I disagree -- in this case I happen to agree with you completely. However, every bit of information that passes to us must first come through the filter of our consciousness. We are never free from subjectivity or from the influences of the language, the culture, and the era in which we are raised.I'm not an advocate of moral relativism, but I am most certainly an advocate of acknowledging our limitations. In this case, that would be our inability to ever have a perfect understanding of God's Will or of the Qur'an. We do our best, but in the end all we have, right or wrong, are the opinions we form.

salaam

[SisterJennifer]

Muslimah, I regard EVERYTHING as someone's opinion.  I don't see how any other response is possible.  Just because I say it is your opinion doesn't mean I disagree -- in this case I happen to agree with you completely.  However, every bit of information that passes to us must first come through the filter of our consciousness.  We are never free from subjectivity or from the influences of the language, the culture, and the era in which we are raised.

Asalaamu alikum,

I once hear a lecture in which the Shieykh was telling about how one must approach the Quran with humility and sumission. He pointed out how the Quran begins with "Alif, Lam, Meem" and read any tasfeer and you will see the answer to this is ALLAHU ALIM. So look, we begin with a sign that we are of course limited in our knowledge. A fact that we have to acknowledge not only with our tongues, but our hearts as well.

If one approaches the Quran trying to use his or her own logic and pervious understanding it cannot be a guidance because that person has not submitted to the book. The book of Allah swt, to whom Muslims are in submission to.

I dont think it is so much opinion. No one is greater than the author of the Quran, how than can we insert our own logic and expect to come with sound theory when all our knowledge comes from Allah in the first place? And just as He gave it, He can take it away. He is the only Knower of all things.

May Allah help us all and increase us in Taqwa. Ameen.

[Khairan]

Asalaamu alikum,I once hear a lecture in which the Shieykh was telling about how one must approach the Quran with humility and sumission.  He pointed out how the Quran begins with \"Alif, Lam, Meem\" and read any tasfeer and you will see the answer to this is ALLAHU ALIM.  So look, we begin with a sign that we are of course limited in our knowledge.  A fact that we have to acknowledge not only with our tongues, but our hearts as well.

If one approaches the Quran trying to use his or her own logic and pervious understanding it cannot be a guidance because that person has not submitted to the book.  The book of Allah swt, to whom Muslims are in submission to.

I dont think it is so much opinion.  No one is greater than the author of the Quran, how than can we insert our own logic and expect to come with sound theory when all our knowledge comes from Allah in the first place?  And just as He gave it, He can take it away.  He is the only Knower of all things.  

May Allah help us all and increase us in Taqwa.  Ameen.

Jennifer,

what I mean is that there is nothing we can do BUT use our own logic. God has sent us the Book of Guidance but in the end humans must still use their minds to understand that book, and it is my contention that the process of taking God's words and turning it into something we can comprehend is inherently flawed and that we will, despite our best intentions, make mistakes. For this reason I believe in questioning everything.

salaam

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom

Khairan for the sake of arguing I see u chaning your approach a lot, (subhanall plus u fail to make your point clear leaving one puzzled if u even understood the post or not :confused:

again and again brother seriously consider Dan, naseeha's and my previous posts,

I did not ignore the rest of the points, Insh a Allah I will cover them, not for the sake of argument but for the sake of Allah

[Khairan]

as salam alykom  Khairan for the sake of arguing I see u chaning your approach a lot,  (subhanall plus u fail to make your point clear leaving one puzzled if u even understood the post or not :confused:

Hmmmdon't see how I am changing my approach - but if I'm being unclear tell me how.



What is it that you think I am saying?