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10-25-2008, 11:13 AM
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Quote:If I understand you correctly, Wel_Mel_2, you now admit you were mistaken when you claimed that:
No you didn't understand me (as usual) and I wasn't mistaken.
Quote:(1) muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh can read (i.e., speak) Arabic fluently,
Where did I say that <b>Pakistanis could speak Arabic fluently</b>? I said the can <b>READ</b> Arabic very well, meaning they can follow the Arabic Alphabets and vowels to create the sound of certain words, but they don't know the meaning… and so your brothers in faith, are giving them the 'true Furqan' (their own production), and promoting it as it is the Qur'an of the Muslims, to deceive them hoping that they might come to Christ by reading the Arabic Bible without realizing, but as I said earlier, they've failed miserably, because those Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis could recognize the real Arabic Qur'an, and this is one of the greatness of this religion.
Quote:(2) muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh don't know the meaning of even one word in Arabic (for example, the muslims who live in Pakistan and Bangladesh have no idea that the Arabic word for "God" is "Allah")
“<i>understand even a word</i>" was a figure of speech, it means that if I as an Egyptian talked to a Pakistani Muslim in Arabic during normal converstaion, he will not be able to understand a word, but he will of course reply me correctly if I said, <b>ASSALAMO ALIKUM</b> which is the Islamic greeting, or if I told him how are you? He will immediately response <b>ALHAMDULILLAH</b> (praise be to Allah), of course they know the Arabic name of God, <b>even Non Arabic speaking priests and Bishops prefer calling God by His REAL name, which is ALLAH.</b>
Quote:I'm glad that you have retracted your claims, since frankly I think they are ridiculous.
You just don't get things quickly.
Quote:wel_mel_2 wrote: My point was to expose the ways of those missionaries whose basic mission is to lie in order to spread their faith
I don't understand. What lie specifically are you referring to???
I am referring to those missionaries who copied the titles of our Qur'anic chapters in their own forged Furqan/Qur'an to deceive Muslims in the mentioned countries.
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Quote:Wael, what is really important for all of us to be aware of is that without them realising, they are turning themselves into tools to prove more and more how Quran is from Allah. The description of the Ayah fits this situation. Sobhan Allah wa Allah u Akbar.
This how it should be said, mash a Allah sister... they are not only proving that the Qur'an is Allah's word, they are also proving that their Bible carry no weight at all <b>by promoting it under the name of AL QUR'AN</b>/<b>Furqan.</b>
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10-25-2008, 02:05 PM
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<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: Where did I say that Pakistanis could speak Arabic fluently? I said the can READ Arabic very well, meaning they can follow the Arabic Alphabets and vowels to create the sound of certain words, but they don't know the meaning </b>
OK, so you now claim that the muslims who live in Pakistan and Bangladesh can read Arabic out loud, but not speak Arabic? If they aren't speaking Arabic when they read the koran out loud, then what language are they speaking???
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Reepi, I was really wondering what is your problem when I realized you may not understand something:
It is possible to READ ARABIC without understanding the language at all. All over the world you will find people who can read quran in Arabic but they dont speak Arabic. They learn just the same as you would learn any language, beginning with alphabets, sounds, connecting the letters, etc. The idea is that they commit it to memory in the early age to preserve it and then work on understanding the meaning. That is why I said I dont think this fake Quran would be successful. While they may not be able to understand the majority of what they have read in Arabic they do have a good understanding of it in their own language. So in order to understand the 'Furqan" they would also have to dig in their own language and it would not be difficult to see how stupid the whole thing is.
I hope you understand now and are not just being purposely obtuse.
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Clarification here, reepi, as a native Arabic speaker, I can ready Urdu and Farsi without understanding a work. Actually, for your information, Urdu, Farsi and Arabic all share the same alphabet which makes native speakers able to read all three languages but not understand a word. Thus, it applies on Quran.
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Sobhan Allah Reepi does not want to understand, he is just turning around the bush, check this video Dr. Mohammad Al-Orayfi and 2 Germans, maybe one of them is italian, they both embraced islam after hearing the sheikh recite Quran and then another sentence in Arabic in the same way, they said no definitely that was different, the first one made me feel different, and he does not understand one word, he asked him u think the first reading the word of whom and the second words of whom, he answered that the first readings is the words of the creator and the second is the words of humans, in spite he does not understand one word of Arabic nor in reading or writing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6X89Xao5IQ...feature=related
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Just listening to the word of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala makes a human being shiver inside him and those who deny that, have locks on their hearts & ears.
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10-25-2008, 09:50 PM
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Bismillah: Assalamo ALikum...
Reepi is not focused on the main point "<b>the Christian missionaries' deciption</b>"... I was expecting him to quote some verses from the Bible regarding lying and deceiving people, to apologize on his "<i>faithful Christians</i>'" behalf, to say that it is not a good way to propagate one's faith etc... But he has deviated from the original topic and refused to even comment on their attitude!!! It seems that he is ashamed to admit that they are lairs.
I hope that the clarifications provided by the sisters helped you to understand the Arabic language issue.
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We really hope that he does that, that is the essence of Islam to help people see the truth in order to guide them to the right path :)
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For more details about this topic, i advise everyone to watch the tape of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat (<b>how NOT to do Daw'ah</b>), in that tape he is presented even more materials used by the Christians to decisive the people in those countries.
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10-27-2008, 03:16 PM
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<b>wel_mel_2 wrote: It seems that he is ashamed to admit that they are lairs.</b>
Actually, I readily admit that they are liars. In fact, I don't think you are going far enough in your condemnation of them. My belief is the following:
I believe that every single Christian who has ever lived, is currently living, and that will be born in the future is a liar, a thief, and a murderer and deserves eternal damnation from God.
Are there are any specific lies by specific Christians that you wish to discuss???
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