A two part question

[submit]

Certainly, your post this time was clearer and Alhamdulelah, but do u still reject ahadeeth??

Alhamdullah my post was clearer. I do not reject the hadith. But i do not accept every single one. I reject a few, because i believe them to be false.

Yet again Insh aAllah I m going to update the Answer the Prophet's Call thread with relevant material to help further explain this crucial point. It is a point where non Muslims are really working on to divert Muslims from their Deen.

This will help you inshallah: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Brother Submit, pls refer to:


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=...amp;#entry34239


Post #15 for the issue of Shahada.


Jazakum Allah khairan for the link u posted.

[USMA]

Whoever you are SUBMIT and those who are following your path by being arrogant and stubborn not listenning of what the true Muslims are saying and quoting explicitly Allah's words concerning obedience to our Dear prophet Mohamad salalahou alayhi wa salama.It appears to me that you are not absolutely interested in learning the truth and reason,however you are classified as INFIDELS MOUNAFIKINES whose purpose in this forum is to discredit ISLAM by rejecting the Sunna of our beloved prophet(saw).I strongly believe from your intervention and writings you aren't Muslims,either you are shii rafidi pagan or Mounafike who is striving to put doubt(s) on weak Muslim hearts(and lack of knowledge).Frankly,without any moujamala(being nice to you),either you follow the sunna or not,that's your problem if you fancy a short way to Hellfire for eternity.I am not going to supply and provide you with thousand of evidences regarding adherence to the book of Allah the almighty and the Sunna of our dear and beloved prophet mohamad(saw),as i have said above you and your alike are out of the fold of Islam(you have never been a Muslim before anyway).I am addressing to the genuine Muslims in this forum,there is no need to waste your time with this bunch of hypocrites kafara as they have shown to me exactly what they are after to.....i have noticed they are mocking about and insulting Muslims'intelligence.You SUBMIT,it's up to you rejecting AHADITHS and by doing so you think you are doing a great favour to Allah taala,nay,you are only erecting a horror house for you in HELLFIRE next to the Satan if ever you die as a unbeliever(which you are now).You are only a ZANDIQUE who deserves to be executed on the spot as it was done by the pious predecessors(salafe).SUBMIT,by attacking Imam BUKHARI it means you are slandering AHADITHS SAHIHA,and which means you are a RAFIDI SHII mounafike devilish....it's amazing,SUBMIT keeps emphasizing he isn't neither Quranite nor Sunni,so what's your problem with Islam??!!!this a pure hypocrisy and zandaka,dividing into sects,uniting,etc...do you fancy a visit to a mental clinic so as to check if there is any deficiency in your in modern brain....Ibliss the satan is better than you,at least he is not hypocrite,he believed in Allah taala when he refused to bow down to ADAM(AS) as gesture of respect and an order from Allah taala,whereas you and alike,you are simply insulting and critisizing Allah taala and his prophet(saw).Soubhanallah,thousand of westerners are converting/embracing ISLAM with the right understanding of it,by following the Quran and the Sunna,whereas this bunch of mounafikines is endeavouring to diffame ISLAM.

[Dan]

Bismillah


As Salam alaikum


It is interesting to see and hear people state that the ahadeeth are narrated by humans and we must thus understand that they can be faulty.


Anyone who believes this must then ask, Why do I believe that the Qur'an is from Allah as revealed to the Messenger of Allah?


How did we as an ummah get the Qur'an? It was transmitted by the Companions of the MOA just as the sunnah was.


Consider this hadeeth:


Jaakir bin Abdullah said: The Prophet, prayers and peace upon him, used to teach us to seek Allah's Counsel in all matters, as he used to teach us a Surah from the Qur'an. He would say: When anyone of you has an important matter to decide, let him pray two rak'ahs other than the obligatory prayer, and then say: (Du'a for Istikhaarah)... (to end of du'a). Al-Bukhaari 7/162.


Here we see the Prophet stating that something is incumbent to learn just like the Qur'an. This information has reached us the same way that the Qur'an reched us, the narrators.


If I am misguiding or misguided, I ask Allah to forgive me. If anyone REALLY wants to know the truth, they will study under known scholars, but just as with the christians and jews, some muslims start with their desires and then look for aspects of the deen to confirm those desires, rejecting anything that inpedes those desires.


This is a sickness. Pray to Allah for the Truth to be shown, with sincerity, with an understanding that we (me including) are misguided. Allah will never misguide a sincere humble servant.


Allahu 'Alam


As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[submit]

Whoever you are SUBMIT and those who are following your path by being arrogant and stubborn not listenning of what the true Muslims are saying and quoting explicitly Allah's words concerning obedience to our Dear prophet Mohamad salalahou alayhi wa salama.

You insult me by calling my arrogant and stubborn, accuse me of being on the wrong path, and also completely misunderstand my post? Perhaps it is not i who needs reforming, but you.

It appears to me that you are not absolutely interested in learning the truth and reason,however you are classified as INFIDELS MOUNAFIKINES whose purpose in this forum is to discredit ISLAM by rejecting the Sunna of our beloved prophet(saw).

So now you call me an infidel? How ironic it is, that you accuse me of little knowledge, yet you call me an infidel. Do you know that kuffar doesn't mean infidel?And by the way, on the issue of infidels and hadith. Did you know the hadith say it is a great sin to call your Muslim brother a kuffar? In your eagerness to support the hadith, you seem to have ignored them.

I strongly believe from your intervention and writings you aren't Muslims,either you are shii rafidi pagan or Mounafike who is striving to put doubt(s) on weak Muslim hearts(and lack of knowledge).

"You aren't Muslims"...I'm one person, not many. This isn't a conspiracy. I am a Muslim. Or are you going to tell me that i'm not? Who are you to decide who is Muslim and who isn't? Leave the Judging to Allah and His messengers.

Frankly,without any moujamala(being nice to you),either you follow the sunna or not,that's your problem if you fancy a short way to Hellfire for eternity.

Let me finally correct your misunderstanding. If you had bothered to read my last couple of posts in this topic instead of name-calling, you would have seen my clarification of my earlier posts. Including my declaration that i believe in the hadith and sunnah. If you are going to say i don't because i believe some are corrupt, then you must educate yourself with regards to the hadith. Some hadith are corrupt, that is why Bukhari and others helped sort out the bad from the good.

I am not going to supply and provide you with thousand of evidences regarding adherence to the book of Allah the almighty and the Sunna of our dear and beloved prophet mohamad(saw),

Probably because you couldn't.

as i have said above you and your alike are out of the fold of Islam(you have never been a Muslim before anyway).

Again, who are you to judge whether i am Muslim or not? You do not even know me and therefore cannot even base your judgement on knowledge.

I am addressing to the genuine Muslims in this forum,there is no need to waste your time with this bunch of hypocrites kafara as they have shown to me exactly what they are after to

Perhaps, it's time to quote a hadith.Volume 8,
Book 73, Number 71:


Narrated Abu Dhar:


That he heard the Prophet saying,


"If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person)


or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his


companion (the accused) is innocent." (


Sahih Bukhari)So by calling me a kuffar, you are shooting yourself in the foot. I ask you to stop. You don't even know me. I am a Muslim brother who is interested in helping the Ummah, not weakening it. I haven't bothered to respond to the rest of your post which seems to compose of mostly insults and how i'll burn in hell. I hope you don't tell non-Muslims that, cos it doesn't inspire anyone with an urge to seek out the truth.If someone misunderstand something you should kindly correct the mistake. Not insult the person and condemn him to hell.Here is a beautiful story on correcting someone (source: http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/kids/...udu.html):


<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%;">When the grandsons of Blessed Prophet, Hasan and Hussain (radiAllahu anhum) were very young, an old bedouin once came to Madinah.

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When the time of salat (prayer) came, he began to make wudu, but he was making his wudu incorrectly.


Hasan and Hussain saw the old man making his wudu wrong, and wished to correct him, but were not sure how. He was an old man, and being young children, they didn't want to point out the old man's mistakes. They might hust or insult his feelings. It wasn't good manners to point out the mistakes of their elders. What could they do?


Both the brothers thought and thought over the problem, and at last hit upon an idea. Together they arranged a plan to teach the man how to make wudu correctly, without insulting him, advising him in a manner befitting of his age.


They went over to the old man, and asked him if he could help them. "My brother and I disagree over who amongst us performs Wudu the best. Would you mind watching us make wudu, and be the judge to see which one of us indeed performs Wudu more correctly? Could you please correct us wherever we are wrong?"


The man watched carefully as the two grandsons of the Blessed Prophet performed Wudu in an explicit manner. Soon he knew the correct way of making wudu, realising his mistakes.


After Hasan and Hussain (radi Allahu anhum) had completed their wudu, the old man thanked them and said, "By Allah, I did not know how to perform wudu before this. You have both taught me how to do it correctly."


Peace.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom brothers


I know I already welcomed you USMA, but seems there is a conflict here. Brother re read Submit's post #31. He clearly stated that his first post communicated a wrong message.


Even if he has some confusion regarding a certain issue, our role as muslims to spend time with him, and he has priority over a non Muslim to try and help settle those issues. In doing this, we need to be really calm and kind other wise, we will be repellant rather than inviting.


Dan good to see you on board brother.... :D :wavey:

[USMA]

Let us remember Hadiths and Sunna were issued by a simple camel trader??!!!!!Do you really think we are gullible and idiot to take us for a ride with your philosphie comments,etc....you don't threaten me with any hadith for a milion reasons amonsgt which is that you reject totally all ahadithes and even the Quran,and you have the guts to insult our dear prophet(saw),you are an hypocrite,in fact Aba jahle was better than you and all the Kouraiche mouchrikines before the Arabia turned all into Islam.I remind you one thing,the hypocrites of your kind were graduated from Islamic Universities whose purpose is to discredit Islam by indulging/casting doubts into Muslims'mind(those with less/lack of Islamic knowledge).We run into agents(hypocrites) who infiltrated Muslim circles/groups in order to create sedition/dissention amongst them,so go back to your training with MOSHE DAYAN or SHARON or IBLISS.Whoever insults the prophet(saw) or mocking about him as you did or telling lies about him and his compagnons(sahabas) deserve a severe punishement in this world and hereafter.So you will never scare me off with any hadith,and anything i quote about you i mean it 100% without a slight doubt ya MOUNAFIKE.

[USMA]

<b></b>SUBMIT and whoever you are,cut all the thrash off coming ouf you and i need an explicit answer from(i have already got one):DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND SUNNA OR NOT?i need a straight response and not a philosophie one,do you get me WIERD SUBMIT.By the way,don't even dare mention any hadith of the beloved prophet Mohamad(saw) to contre-attaque me as you don't believe and show no respect in our prophet(saw),let alone the Word(s) of Allah taala....Whoever obeys the prophet(saw) he has obeyed me,and whoever desobeys him he has desobeyed me.O,you who believe,if you disagree about a matter(any issue) refer it to Allah and his Prophet(saw).....narration from an authentic hadith:whoever adheres to Quran,the Sunna and sunna of the guided caliphe will never be misguided(after me).etc....So,weird SUBMIT,cease insulting us and if you don't like ISLAM the way it was revealed to our prophet Mohamad(saw) and transmitted to us by his SAHABAS(ra),you can go and visit a jewish site who is preaching ISLAM and interpreting the Quran in a distorted way(an unbeliever interpreting the Quran???!!!!!era of sedition/fitane).So long SUBMIT,GO BACK TO YOUR BARRACKS

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom USMA


I have no idea why this overly tone and amount of insults in your posts, leave alone accusations. I could have easily deleted the posts. See USMA, on this board, we are really concerned to maintain a polite and logical tone and manner. Being on the right side does not allow you to insult others leave alone helping them see the correct aspects you are trying to communication. But it rather deters them. You are even accusing the member of not believing in Quran when he explicitly said he does.


Now I think that you are making replies to a one year old post that already those points were raised and responded to. Me personally commented on the camel trader part. Altough being so does not underestimate our beloved Messenger and teacher. Just think of him, would he react the same way you did towards a similar situation. This is how you establish Sunnah brother.


Pls do reconsider your position and manner of talking on the board.


Jazakum Allah khairan.

[lifutushi]

Assalamualaikum,


I don't know if i can agree with the statement "Al-Qur'an is complete and very detailed'. Complete? Yes! Very detailed? i don't think so.


Sunnah is the ones that gives the details on what are in al-Qur'an.


for example, al-Qur'an says about slaughtering animals for food. but the sunnah gives detailed explaination about how to slaughter and exceptions to some animals that cannot be slaughtered (fish, prawn, crab etc).


Wallahu'alam