Jesus In Islam

[reepicheep]

I don't understand why Muslims place so much emphasis on the belief that Mohammad was illiterate. Whether he could, or could not, read and write proves nothing.


The Greek poet Homer was blind, and therefore couldn't read or write. Yet, he wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey, two of the world's most famous pieces of literature.


Does this prove that Homer was a prophet?

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Reepi we dont put the emphasis it is the Quran as I posted and I am not sure why people like u and ronniv repeat the same points and questions.


More for my brothers and sisters, take in mind that the student during the math class is in a weak position and wanting to prove capable in any way.


ronniv, your original post was how come we say we respect prophet Eassa much I think that point was covered. I am not sure if u read the Ayahs posted to u, sometimes I feel u dont. It does help for the student to read the explanation

[Anyabwile]

The Greek poet Homer was blind, and therefore couldn't read or write.  Yet, he wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey, two of the world's most famous pieces of literature.
Does this prove that Homer was a prophet?

But who said Mohammed being illiterate <b>proves he is a Prophet</b>. No one said that you moron, you simply are uncomfortable with the fact that he <b>was</b> Illiterate for your own pathetic reasons. The biggest or one of the biggest and best biographies on the Prophet (Peace be upon him), a first prize winner book in a huge competition in Mekkah Al-Makurramah "The Sealed Nectar" doesn't even mention the Prophet is Illiterate, or if they do it's no more than once because i haven't seen it. I'm reading it now right near the end and to my knowledge it hasn't been mentioned at all.


So why imply Muslims think he is a Prophet because he was illiterate, when it's not even mentioned in one of the biggest and most popular Biographies on him that won first prize in a competition judged by highly qualified scholars and judges who would obviously be bias toward Islam and want a bio (no doubt you would think)with as many positive things about the Prophet (Peace be upon him) as possible an illiterate being "the source" of the Qur'an a fairly important thing to note. But it's not even in there. Because even though it was true, Muslims don't need this as proof, when will it get through your skulls.


I personally find it amusing seeing how it frustrates Christians and others that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) was Illiterate. But it's not what convinced me he was the final messanger of God. So the above quote is just another excuse to have another dig. Honestly who are you people? Where are the nice smiling friendly Christians you see on the "God" channel?

[laian]

Response to ronni:

I have seen this "proof". IMHO, it takes a lot of twisting and mind contortions to accept this one.

(regarding the description of embryo in Qur'an)
Actually, to me this is a pretty amazing miracle. Not sure why you think it takes mind contortions to accept it

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I used to be Christian and yes, we learned that Mary married Joseph, but I learned that they married after Jesus (as) was born,

Learned from where, please? What source?

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I learned everything in Sunday school, dunno what else to say.

Quick question for you: Can you tell me what made you a Christian or how you initially became Christian and then what made you leave? Out of curiosity; it may help me understand your perspective a little better.

My parents and family were Christian, they raised me that way. I left when I actually began researching and studying and found that most of the beliefs are ridiculous. I should point out that my specific denomination was Mormonism, which I know is much much different than "regular" Christianity, but they are still Christians, still believe in Jesus (as) and all of that.


After leaving Mormonism, I just couldn't bring myself to join ANY Christian denomination because I felt very uncomfortable with worshipping Jesus (as), and I had visited other church services before and I didn't like how almost no one ever mentioned God, it was always Jesus (as) -- i.e. asking Jesus(as) for things, thanking him for things, praying to him, making him the creator of the earth, just basically making him all around more important than God. I just couldn't do that.


As far as what I learned in Sunday school, I was a kid. I stopped being Christian when I was 18, learned about Islam at 18 and a half, became muslim when I was 20.


Hope that helps

[reepicheep]

laian wrote:


> I should point out that my specific denomination was Mormonism,


> which I know is much much different than "regular" Christianity,


> but they are still Christians, still believe in Jesus (as) and all of that.


I just wanted to point out that the vast majority of Christian denominations do not consider Mormons to be Christians.

[laian]

Ya I know that, which is why I said I know they are much different than "regular" Christians, but regardless... they are Christian, they believe in the trinity, salvation, etc etc etc. They do also believe in the Bible, and in fact I would say that as a Mormon I was taught/I studied the Bible more than any other book.


Anyway, it's a moot point because I don't believe in Mormonism, and I don't think there are any Mormons on this board. I was only answering the question from ronni about where I got my beliefs.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom Anya


As I posted Quran 29: 48-49 this Ayah is very important the fact that the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam was illiterate is essential, since there is no way he couldve composed the Quran. The Ayah in simple English say that u never were able to read a book before receiving the revealation or write with your right hand. The Ayah stand as evidence. Now we dont believe he was a Prophet because he was illiterate but we belive he was illiterate because it was in Quran.

[ronniv93]

Muslimah,


Resepct for Jesus


Hi. I do read the ayats people post, so I saw everyone's response to my original question. Nothing, though, was clear about how Muslims respect/revere Jesus. I suppose that I'll just let this issue go.


Unlettered Prophet


I can appreciate that you believe Quran 29:48 meeans he was illiterate. I don't think history is so clear on the matter myself. I found even another site, a very-well known one to many Muslims, which argues that interpretation as well. At submission.org they don't even agree that it meant illiterate, at least not during your prophet's time. They contest that this was a later rendering of the term and that people began to use this definition to make the Quran seem more miraculous.


- <i>That is in case anyone actually cares to read what *I* post. I'm often accused of being <b>desperate</b> and making things up. Then when I post links to <b>Muslim</b> sources, no one has a response to that. These are MUSLIMS who make compelling arguments and give evidence for the conclusions that they make.</i>


Laian,


Thank you for being open and sharing a bit of your background. I know you didn't have to do that.


With all respect, though, I didn't see anything in your story that said *you* were a Christian. I'm <b>NOT</b> saying you weren't one; it's not my place to judge that. Perhaps, some way, you did actually become a believer. I just didn't get from your story when/how/etc. it happened.


But Going to Sunday School every week doesn't equate to being Christian. And I fear that you were probably taught a lot of erroneous things by the Mormons; the fact that they take another "gospel" or another book beyond the Bible is evidence enough that they don't understand the Bible itself correctly. Then, they also believe things like Jesus being a "god" (little 'g') and that all men can attain the goal of being little gods, too, and running their own planet.... Very Strange.


I would not consider them as a group to be Christians at all, but a very heretical set of individuals.


It would be like me claiming that Bahai's are Muslim. Sure, they believe in the Quran and Muhammad and all that, but.... they also believe in other messengers/prophets AFTER Muhammad and other revelation AFTER him.


They are no more Muslim than Mormons are Christians.

[umm Zachariah]

Assalamu aleikum,


Would like to make a parable, since the nickname of one of our guests inspired me to it


The ship did carry Reepicheep and some other animals and the royal children of Narnia. The captain of the ship was king Caspian and they went looking for the land at the end of the world.


Did they find it? Don't remember.


But the one that sincerely takes the boat, the ship, by walking or whatever way they choose to find the truth of Islam, and with the assistance of our Only 'captain' will find it in the end, if not before.


Or they got lost on the way, navigated wrongly or could not read the map...


Wasalam

[umm Zachariah]

Hi Ronniv,


Just pulling one of your questions out that you directed to Muslimah, if you don't mind. Trying to come down to short responses.


One thought why you don't understand how we honour a prophet and how you honour him, may be our different approaches to prophethood and worship. As a Muslim it is wrong to worship a prophet, we only worship Allah, SWT. And since Jesus in Christinity has a double or rather tripple role, and therefore also is being worshipped, it is a concept not acceptable to Muslims.


So we honour all of His prophet's and make no distinction between them. And WORSHIP only Allah, SWT. BUT we do follow the last Prophet in our practices insha'Allah. And in Islam THAT is the way to proceed according to Allah, SWT.


Regards