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  Spends the night over his nasopharynx
Posted by: Muslimah - 09-29-2007, 04:21 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


Spends the night over his nasopharynx


Q. Reported in Sahih Muslim that the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him said: When one of you wakes up from his sleep, he must perform Istinthar (enter water into his nose, then expel it) three times for shyatan spends the night over his nasopharynx


(reported by Sunan Abi Daoud)


This hadeeth stands as an essential and integral part of the shield Allah Provided mankind with against Shaytan and his forms of assault. To address this point and be able to understand it, we can not do this in isolation of other instructions and information introduced in Quran and Sunnah.


Now first off what did Shaytan vow to do against mankind? According to Quran:


"Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them grateful and thankful."


7:17


And what else?


Iblees (Satan)] said: "By Your Might, then I will surely mislead them all,


38:82


To do this, what are his weapons?


And istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allah's disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit.


17:64


In light of this last Ayah coupled with the following:


O Children of Adam! Let not Shaytan (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Eve] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabeeluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the devils Auliyaa' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.


7:27


Thus, from those Ayahs we understand how Shaytan and his offspring:


• See us and we are unable to see them.


• Able to share mankind in his wealth, children, sexual intercourse..etc.


• Vowed to mislead mankind except the sincere devotees of Allah.


• Shall attack mankind from all sides.


By those noble Ayahs and major concern expressed by Allah – come to think about it – Allah Gave us full details about the antagonistic plans of Shaytan against mankind, and explained exactly his aim. But Allah Didn’t leave us without the necessary shield and means of protection, how could He?


Verily, those who are pious, when an evil thought comes to them from Shaytaan (Satan), they remember (Allah), and (indeed) they then see (aright).


7:201


The Ayahs explains that mankind when touched by shaytan they could be blinded (you see the man divorces his wife in anger, you see two people fight for no reason and a murder might take place, you see how shaytan may intercept and decorate zina..etc all this out of blindness that is caused by the touch of shaytan). But the remedy is easy, just doing remembrance.


Back to our core of interest here, what is the relation between waking up at night and washing one’s nose?


If the issue was related to merely dirt being accumulated inside the nose, the Istinthar wouldn’t have been encouraged when one wakes up during night .


Before I continue to reach into the main point of this article, in regard to Ayah 17:64 which introduced all the potential attacks, Allah Taught us through Sunnah several Duas (supplications) to be used for protection of each and every item. According to Sunnah, there is a supplication to be used before leaving the house, performing intercourse, receiving money..etc that all aim at protection against shaytan’s plots and assaults. In order not to go off topic, I will just refer to those supplications in total without detailing them. But the main point is that we are taught what to say when in order to protect ourselves against shaytan.


Come let us continue.


In another hadeeth the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said:


Narrated under the authority of Abdullah that it was told before the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam that a man slept all night till the morning, he explained saying that this is a man who Shaytan passed urine in his ears. Reported by Ahmed. (the point here is that shaytan was able to block his ear with this urine so that the man wouldn’t wake up and perform salah). That is why Istinthat is essential upon waking up just exactly as we encouraged to say la ilaha ila Allah wahdahu la sharika lahu lahulmolk walahul hamd wa howa ala kol shayen qadeer in case we wake up in the middle of the night.


Narrated Ibn Abi Said Al Khodry under the authority of his father that the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said when one of you yawns, one must put his hand over his mouth because Shaytan enters in (reported by Musnad Ahmad)


‏Narrated under the authority of Abi Horaira that the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said Shaytan ties on the back of the head of any of you when he goes to sleep three knots, and presses on the place of each knots saying may you spend a long night so just sleep. As soon as one wakes up and remembers Allah, one knot is untied, makes ablution the second is untied, when performs Salah anther knot is untied. Thus the person starts the day active enjoying a comfortable sould otherwise, the person shall start the day with a heavy chest and lazy (reported by Musnad Ahmed).


To further understand, shaytan is created from fire that is extinguished by water of course as in the hadeeth:


Narrated by Ibraheem Ibn Khaled saying my father narrated under the authority of my grandfather Attiah saying that a man had an upsetting conversation with him that made him angry, he said when he felt angry he left then returned to us after making wodu (ablution). He said the Messenger salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam said that anger is from Shaytan and Shaytan is created from fire, and fire is extinguished by wated. Thus, when one of you becomes angry, he should made wodu. Musnad Ahmed.


From all of the above mentioned, we can clearly see as established in the Ayahs of Quran that Shaytan does interfere with mankind, share their food (that is why we must say Bismllah before eating to prevent Shaytan’s interception), their money, intercourse. That Shaytan spares no time or effort or a chance to penetrate into mankind’s life and body. The nose is a passage to very important organs including the brain and lungs. If Shaytan is to be able to penetrate into those organs, mankind is in serious danger. Using Istinthar (washing with water), it becomes very difficult for shaytan to continue staying inside taking in consideration that he is created from fire.


As we know, Sunnah details Quran and teaches us what to do when. Thus, this hadeeth came in the context of how to protect one against Shaytan’s assaults and intervention.

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  Refuting misconception regarding
Posted by: Muslimah - 09-29-2007, 04:01 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


Refuting the misconception regarding Waraqa Ibn Nawfal:


Extremists, vengeful, and ignorant continue to forge lies against the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him. They continue to hinder and discourage his call by raising misconceptions.


Of those falsities, is what they claimed – it was much better for them not to reveal their low level of forging lies and ignorance – about the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him receiving the Quran and Prophethood teaching from Waraqa Ibn Nawfal.


Refute:


Praise be to Allah,


1st: This claim is baseless, thus, similar claims shall not be acceptable without the relevant support, otherwise, they need to tell us what exactly did Mohamed receive from Waraqa? When was that? And where was that?


2nd: Waraqa did not live the time sequence of the events as mentioned in Quran throughout 23 years when it started to be revealed. Matter of fact, he died at the beginning of the message. Where was Waraqa when pagans, Jews or other groups raised questions to the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him? We see that the reply was promptly produced with a full explanation in Quran including the proper position of Quran regarding the given point. An example of this is Allah’s Saying:” The people of the Scripture (Jews) ask you to cause a book to descend upon them from heaven. Quran 4:153.


They ask you (O Muhammad) about the new moons* Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for humankind and for the pilgrimage Quran 2: 189.


And Allah’s Saying:” They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit but And they ask you what they ought to spend 2:219.


In many situations, believers, Jews, hypocrites, or polytheists used to raise points that they need to understand. In other situations, questions were posed as a challenge to the Messenger in order to prove him unknowledgeable and further diminishing his position and awe. The schedule of Quran revelation was spaced in order to allow the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him receive the relevant answers to those questions according to what Allah Wants. Thus, in many positions in Quran, you will find (they ask you) or (people ask you). After this statement, the response usually follows. Counting the word (they ask you), it totaled around 15 questions raised to the Messenger throughout spaced timing. And Quran was revealed to introduce the reply. Where was Waraqa Ibn Nawfal when those questions were raised? He didn’t even live the sequence of time related to the events as mentioned in Quran during 23 years of revelation as he died at the beginning of the message??


Where was Waraqa during events that took place after his death and were introduced in Quran:


Let those liars did Warqa live the Ahzab battle as introduced in Quran?


Was he present during Hunain Day that was presented in Quran?


Did he live the story of Zaid as introduced in Quran?


Did he live the incident of falsehood against Aesha that was told in Quran?


Did he live the situation involving the Najran delegation and the Messenger’s invitation to make dua against the lying group?


Did he, and did he, and did he…..


3rd. Quran contains Ayahs that contradict the Christian creed, how would Waraqa write them? For example, in case the source of Quran was Waraqa who is a Nazarine, how would Quran deny the crucifixion of Jesus?


Quran also includes Ayahs that are not in harmony with the Jewish belief, and other Ayahs establishing the bad traits of the Jews, how would a Jew be the author? If the Messenger’s teacher was Jewish, how would Mohamed accept Jesus Prophethood when the Jews do not accept Jesus prayer and peace be upon him as a prophet?


4th. We tell those liars, if Warqa was the source of this miraculous Quran, what is the source of the materialistic miracles performed by the Messenger himself prayer and peace be upon him before the naked eyes of his people?


5th. I will only remind you with a Hadeeth reported by Sahih Bukhary stating what Waraqa Ibn Nawfal himself said when he became very old and after the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him told him about his experience (at the inception of revelation). Waraqa replied: This is the revelation that Mussa received, I wish I will be still alive when your people drive you out. The Messenger replied, will they drive me out? Waraqa said yes, no a single person presented what you introduce except that he encountered anti attitude and harm. In case I will be still alive on that day, I will provide you with a major support. Shortly after that Waraqa died. Then the revelation was delayed for a while in order to allow the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him to collect himself and get over the fright he experienced. It was also meant to have him long for the revelation. That is what actually happened. However, that was not the only incident when the revelation stopped and delayed. But rather it happened more than once. It was narrated that the Messenger prayer and peace be upon him told Jebreel peace be upon him in one of those incidents: You just came when I was really longing for you. Jebreel replied:” And me too I was really longing for you but I m not but a devotee who received orders”. In this situation the Ayah:


And we (angels) descend not except by the Command of your Lord (O Muhammad 19:64


The above mentioned sums up the whole situation.. The meeting that took place between the Prophet and Waraqa was a brief one when Waraqa asked the Messenger questions that he replied to. He then died after a short while.. Can any one who is able reasoning believe that Mohamed prayer and peace be upon him would capture and grasp the Messenge and Quran during this very short meeting?


Allah Is the truth Sayer saying:”


Those who disbelieve say: "This (the Quran) is nothing but a lie that he (Muhammad) has invented, and others have helped him at it, so that they have produced an unjust wrong (thing) and a lie."


5.


And they say: "Tales of the ancients, which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."


6.


Say: "It (this Quran) has been sent down by Him (Allah) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


Quran 25: 4-6


Composed by brother Yusuf AbdurRahman


Translated by: islamsms.com/bb

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  Trinity analogies.
Posted by: wel_mel_2 - 09-27-2007, 04:23 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (24)


Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


Our new member "fisher of men" forces me to start this thread after reading his analogy when he was trying to explain Trinity, so I thought to collect most of the "Trinity analogies" that were invented by Christians to examine them, and insh a Allah to refute each and every one of them. So here we go... <b>BISMILLAH.</b>


<b>Analogy #1:</b> (as explained by "fisher of men" On this thread.




Quote:* Consider the molecules of water, H20. Now also consider <b>the different forms this same molecule may take. Ice, water, and steam</b>. Each are different in their own ways, have different characteristics and each serve different purposes

I do agree that water will remain always water even in three separate forms (<b>i.e. Ice, water, and steam</b>) but please bear in mind that we know very well that <b>the component of water remains the same as well in all the three states </b>, H2O/ 2 atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen. Only the forms keep on changing, but the component of water remain the same. The question now is, <b>are the constituents of the persons in the Trinity are same? Obviously NOT.</b>



1- God Almighty and the Holy Spirit are <b>made of Spirit </b> but Jesus is <b>made of flesh and bone </b> (the component is not the same)


2- Jesus <b>needed to eat in order to survive</b>, God the Father <b>does not require to eat at all </b> (they are not the same)


3- If by any chance, one of the components of water was removed, then <b>it is not WATER anymore</b>. Are you trying to tell us that when Jesus died on the Cross, <b>there was no GOD anymore?</b>


<b>Analogy # 2:</b>




Quote:Time is past, present, and future. There are not three times

Christians usually say, the Father <b>IS GOD</b>, Jesus <b>IS GOD</b>, and the Holy Ghost <b>IS GOD</b>, on the other hand, we cannot not say that the past <b>IS TIME</b>, or present <b>IS TIME </b> etc… but rather we say, <b>past is PART OF TIME</b>
. But Christians never say that Jesus is PART OF GOD. Ask any Christian the question "is Jesus God" ? They will never say no he is only part of God, they will simply say, "Yes he is God"


So shortly, this analogy might work if Christians would say that Jesus is PART OF GOD, the Father is PART OF GOD, and Holy Ghost is PART OF GOD, but this is not what they believe, they say The Father is GOD, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God.



And by the way, since Jesus is not the Father, and the Father is not Jesus, then please count with me how many Gods have we got?..... Two
is the correct answer. But Christians trying hard to prove that they worship only one God; <b>we can agree with them insh a Allah if they start practicing what they preach. </b>


Back to TIME. We do not have <b>3 times but ONE TIME</b>, but the past alone is NOT time, present alone is NOT TIME, etc... And so if Christians decides one day to say that Jesus <b>IS NOT God</b>, then we could easily use this analogy to explain Trinity, but the fact is that <b>there is no Trinitarian would ever dare to declare that Jesus is NOT FULLY God.</b>


<b>Analogy#3:</b>







Quote:I am a father, a brother and a husband at the same time. ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.

It is true, I can see myself in this example (<b>Father, brother and husband</b>)... Now the question here to Trinitarians is this:


Q: if I (as a brother for example
) told my sister a secret, will I (as a Father and Husband
) know that secret?


A: Naturally I say <b>YES</b>. But the case with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is totally different. <b>The knowledge of the last Day was left to the Father ONLY</b>, which means that <b>the Son and the Holy Ghost are not knowledgeable enough to know the SECRET and the time of the Last Day</b>. So how can you call any of them God?


Matthew 24:36


<b>But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
.</b>


<b>Analogy# 4:</b>




Quote:Family of God: I am a father, one person, my wife is another person and our son the third person in our family, we are only ONE FAMILY and not three.

Well, that makes sense <b>ONLY if you will not bear another child</b>. Once you have another kid, then God becomes four
, just like that. So my advise to Christians not to use this analogy.


<b>Analogy# 5: </b>




Quote:An egg. (Shell, yolk and white, ONE EGG).

The problem is that according to Christians, <b>each of the persons within the Trinity is fully God</b>, so they failed to realize that the <b>yolk does not possess the fullness of the egg; neither do the white or the shell. </b>


<b>IMAGINE how Christians trying to prove their belief!!!!
</b>


So let us make it simple for our Christian friends who would like to explain the Trinity.


<b>You must describe Trinity following three simple rules which you are promoting and preaching to Non Trinitarians. THEY ARE:</b>


<b>1- God is unique is His Oneness. </b>


2- Each person of the Trinity is FULLY GOD.


3- And the Trinity itself is ETERNAL.


So, bring one analogy that can match with <b>ALL</b> the above points, or admit that this trinity is full of confusion. and as you know, <b>God Almighty IS NOT the author of confusion as the Bible states in 1 Corinthians 14:33</b>. and so in conclusion I would say that this Trinity dogma has nothing to do with God Almighty.


For more discussions on Islam and Christianity, please visit this thread.


INTERESTING TOPICS.


Salam


Wael.

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  'Crazy' Prices Spoil Jordan Ramadan
Posted by: SisterJennifer - 09-22-2007, 05:59 PM - Forum: Ramadan - Replies (2)


<b>AMMAN</b> — Hefty prices of foodstuffs and other essential products are casting a pall on the Jordanians' joy of Ramadan, leaving many cash-strapped people scrambling to cover expenses during the holy fasting month.


"I have five children and had to borrow money to cope with a sudden jump in food prices during Ramadan," Salem Saeed, a school teacher, told Agence France-Presse (AFP).


"I do not know what I will do when `Eid (the feast marking the end of Ramadan) comes."


Prices of dairy, poultry and other essential products have shot up between seven and 30 percent in Jordan during Ramadan.


This has left many low-and middle-income Jordanians unable to meet the needs of their families during the dawn-to-dusk fasting month.


"Greedy merchants have increased the prices without a mercy," said Saeed.


"I love the holy month, but they have spoiled our joy."


<b>Crazy</b>


Issa Salem, a public servant, blamed both merchants and the government for the "crazy" prices.


"Prices and living expenses have drastically risen because a lot of merchants exploited the high demand on food during Ramadan and the government does not monitor them," Salem said angrily.


But Haidar Murad, who heads the Amman Chamber of Commerce, said that the merchants were not to blame for the soaring prices.


"Honestly, I have to say that prices increased in Ramadan because they have surged internationally, and local merchants should not be blamed for all of this," he said.


The problem has prompted King Abdullah II to ask the government to clamp down on food price rises.


Last week, Prime Minister Maroud Bakhit urged producers to set up "public markets" to sell directly to consumers at wholesale prices to help reduce the soaring prices.


But this never helped meet the people's expectations.


"The high prices have killed us," said grocer Abu Hatem as he talked to an old woman who wanted to buy a small container of yoghurt, whose price has more than doubled in the past 10 days.


"I am afraid that people might stop buying from my shop at all because of such prices," he said.


Prices have already skyrocketed during Ramadan in several Muslim countries including Qatar, Egypt and Tunisia.


In Bangladesh, the government was selling rice at 20 percent reduced prices.

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  Polish Children Vs Muslim Children
Posted by: Iftikhar - 09-21-2007, 11:58 AM - Forum: General - No Replies



Polish Children Vs Muslim Children


John Reid, the ex-Home Secretary has predicted that more Catholic schools are needed due to influx of East European migrants. An estimated 20,000 Polish children need schools for their faith. He highlighted the growing pressure on faith school places because of the growing number of Polish Catholic children in the United Kingdom. There is a demand for Catholic school places because 95% of Polish are Catholics. Polish ambassador to the United Kingdom said that there are now so many Polish children in British schools that they should be taught Polish language, history and culture, so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Many schools are recruiting Polish teachers as role models. Churches have started Sermons in Polish language so that the Polish people can feel at home.


Muslim communities have started to arrive during the 50s, mainly from the sub-continent. They brought their cultures, languages and faith. They contributed for the British economy by paying all sorts of taxes. They built Masajid for offering prayers and community centers for the education of their young generations. Not a single politician ever thought and campaigned for state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. Instead, Muslim children are being discouraged to learn and speak their mother tongues even at home by the politicians. Even Imams are being forbidden to use Urdu in their sermons, inspite of the fact that majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan. Bilingualism should be encouraged because it is enormously beneficial to children development. It should be introduced as early as nursery level. I believe the result would be amazing. It is absurd to send bilingual children to schools with monolingual teachers.


Muslim schools in Britain emerged as an answer to a major challenge that Muslim communities faced in the West on how to educate their children and inculcate Islamic values and morals among them. Muslim children have been suffering academically, linguistically, socially, emotionally and spiritually for the last 50 years. They have been in a wrong place at a wrong time. The state schools have become exam factories. They have no time and energy to educate children. Institutional racism, incivility, drug, crime, binge drinking, anti-social behaviour, high rate of abortion and an increase in teenage pregnancies are common part of life in state schools. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity. Muslim children need to learn to be proud of their Islamic, cultural and linguistic Identities without fear of discrimination and bullying. There are over 500,000 school age Muslim children and only 4% of them attend Muslim schools. There is a need for more Muslim schools but they are being asked by the politicians to open their doors for the children of other faiths or no faiths. The demand for Muslim schools is immense and every school has a lengthy waiting lists. Muslim communities do not have enough resources to set up schools for each and every Muslim child. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority, in my opinion all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools.


Iftikhar Ahmad


www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

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  Tijarapages
Posted by: Muslimah - 09-20-2007, 08:08 PM - Forum: Links - No Replies


Bismillah


http://www.tijarapages.com/


With over 5.7 million searches and


more than 6,500 listings, thank you for making us


the web’s leading Muslim Business Directory.


Tijara Pages… Muslim Search… Solved!

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  Ramadan Recipes
Posted by: SisterJennifer - 09-18-2007, 01:09 PM - Forum: Ramadan - Replies (1)


A nice site for Ramadan or all year round:


http://www.recipezaar.com/recipes/ramadan

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  they should not be called Christians.
Posted by: wel_mel_2 - 09-18-2007, 07:56 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (2)


Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


This is one of the best articles I've red so far. Christians should not be called with this name, they should be called NAZARENES, Subhan Allah, the Qur'an described them with this name.




Quote:It would probably come as a shock to most Christians today that <b>the original followers of Jesus were never called Christians. They were called Nazarenes
</b>



Quote:It was in Antioch that the words "Christian" was first used [4], to describe the followers of Paul! (Acts 11:25)

to read the full article (and other interesting articles) please visit this web: Nazarenes and Christians


Salam


Wael

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  The Holy Ghost.
Posted by: wel_mel_2 - 09-18-2007, 07:44 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (4)


Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.


As requested by brother Hadji, I am going to try my best insh a Allah to present the real picture of "<i>the Holy Ghost</i>" according to the Biblical account.


Brother Hadji asked on the other thread:




Quote:Why do Christians regard the Holy Ghost as a part of God? Is there anything in the Bible that states that?

No brother, the Bible <b>never claimed that the Holy Ghost is God Almighty</b>, and that doesn't mean that the Holy Ghost in the Bible is considered to be even part of God.


Now Christians told me that the HOLY GHOST is the SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY, and so while reading their Bible I've found that the purpose of this "<i>Spirit</i>" is to be breathed by God Almighty into our mother's womb so that we can come into existence.


When you send your Spirit, <b>they are created</b>, and you renew the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)



This is just one of the roles of the Holy Spirit found in the Bible.


Now, if it is really God or part of God, then the Holy Ghost should process the qualities of God Almighty, (i.e. All knowing, All seeing, All powerful, etc) however,<b> this is not the case</b>. If you read the Bible, you will notice that the Holy Spirit is not All knowing and so you can easily conclude that it is not God Almighty.


Matthew 24:36



But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, <b>but my Father only</b>


Here we can see that the disciples of Jesus were asking him about the Day of Judgment, or the end of time and Jesus responded that <b>only the Father knows about this day</b>, indicating that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not All knowing and so not one with God as Christians claim.


I remember that I've brought this point to our Christian guests here sometimes ago but they argue that Jesus <i>AS A MAN </i> didn't know about the hour, but in as a Divine he knew perfectly. Now I am asking, <b>how about the Holy Spirit?</b> Jesus claims that NO ONE but the Father knows about the last day, which means that <b>even the Holy Spirit doesn't know</b> therefore, it is not God or part of God!!


The Bible said:


Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, <b>and there is none
like me</b>, (Isaiah 46:9)


<b>None means no one</b>, and according to the Christians, <b>the Holy Spirit is a person/one </b>, and in the above verse, God Almighty declared loud and clear that <b>NO ONE is like Him</b>, including the Son and the Holy Spirit.


Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is <b>heavenly being</b> created by God, and God says in the Bible that <b>nothing in HEAVEN is compared to him</b>, proving that the Holy Ghost is not God or part of God.


For <b>who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD?</b> who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? (Psalms 89:6)



Of course this is not it, there are still some verses talking about the Holy Spirit and its roles, there are other verses speaks of "<i>different Holy Spirits</i>", there are plenty of other verses showing that the Holy Spirit is just the creation of God Almighty etc.. but I guess we wait for awhile till we get some feedbacks and comments.


Salam


Wael.

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  Evidence against Muslim charity appears fabricated
Posted by: Muslimah - 09-16-2007, 09:54 PM - Forum: Current Affairs - No Replies


Evidence against Muslim charity appears fabricated


An official summary of an FBI-wiretapped conversation contains anti-Semitic slurs that do not appear in the actual transcript.


By Greg Krikorian


Times Staff Writer


02/26/07 "Los Angeles" -- - -When the Bush administration shut down the nation's largest Muslim charity five years ago, officials of the Dallas-based foundation denied allegations it was linked to terrorists and insisted that a number of accusations were fabricated by the government.


Now, attorneys for the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development say the government's own documents provide evidence of that claim.


In recent court filings, defense lawyers disclosed striking discrepancies between an official summary and the verbatim transcripts of an FBI-wiretapped conversation in 1996 involving Holy Land officials.


The summary attributes inflammatory, anti-Semitic comments to Holy Land officials that are not found in a 13-page transcript of the recorded conversation. It recently was turned over to the defense by the government in an exchange of evidence.


Citing the unexplained discrepancies, defense lawyers have asked U.S. District Judge A. Joe Fish in Dallas to declassify thousands of hours of FBI surveillance recordings, so that full transcripts would replace government summaries as evidence.


The demand could force government prosecutors to either declassify evidence it has fought to keep secret or risk losing a critical portion of evidence in its case.


In December, the judge denied a defense request to declassify the documents so they could be examined by defendants in the case. Seven former foundation officials, six of them U.S. citizens, have been charged with funneling money to overseas charities controlled by Hamas, which the U.S. has designated as a foreign terrorist organization. The defendants have denied the charges.


Though defense attorneys already have government clearances that allow them to review the material, under the federal Classified Information Procedures Act they have been prohibited from sharing it with their clients. And unless the act's rules are declared unconstitutional in the case, defense attorneys argue, the defendants will have no way of proving that the statements attributed to them were misconstrued or never made.


The recently declassified summary of surveillance on April 15, 1996, asserts that during a conversation wiretapped by the FBI, Holy Land's former executive director Shukri Abu Baker told two associates there was no need to worry about the foundation being unfairly targeted because U.S. courts were not under the control of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee or its sponsor, "the government of the demons of Israel."


The summary portrays Baker as raging against "the Jews of the world" and as claiming that Jews have no allegiance to anything but "their pockets and to preserving the illegal Zionist state of Israel ."


Additional anti-Semitic comments the FBI summary attributed to Baker or Ghassan Elashi, Holy Land 's former board chairman, included:


• "Their [Jews'] only purpose here in the U.S. is to purchase as many politicians as possible and to warp the way the American Christians feel and think not just about the Christian religion but mainly about the Palestinian people … and to rob as much money as possible from American taxpayers for the illegitimate excuse of protecting and preserving the chosen people of God."


• "Even Jesus Christ had called the Jews and their high priests … the sons of snakes and scorpions."


• "I am confident that in the end justice, and not the Jews, will prevail. I believe that there is still justice in America ."


None of those quotes was contained in a 13-page transcript of the conversation, defense lawyers said in their motion to expand access to classified evidence.


"Throughout the run-up to trial, the government has insisted that the defendants can learn what is contained in the [surveillance] intercepts by reading the so-called 'summaries' of those intercepts," defense attorneys said in their papers.


But the recently disclosed transcript, attorneys said, shows that "not only are the summaries so inaccurate and misleading as to be useless," but that the "author of the attached summary has cynically and maliciously attributed to the defendants racist invective and inculpatory remarks the defendants never uttered."


"It is appalling that such summaries even exist, much less that the government represented that this is all our clients need to know in order to defend themselves."


Defense lawyers declined to comment about their motion. A federal prosecutor said the government would respond with its own filings to the court.


How the summary and transcript could be so different was unclear, though experts in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act arena theorized that its top-secret nature may have led some analysts to believe that the work product would never be publicly disclosed, much less entered into evidence in a trial.


Because the court records are heavily redacted, it could not be determined who provided the summaries of the FBI wiretaps.


Other alleged discrepancies also have dogged the case. Holy Land lawyers challenged the accuracy of an FBI memo, for example, that quoted a foundation office manager as telling Israeli authorities that charitable funds were "channeled to Hamas."


But defense lawyers told the court the translation from Arabic to Hebrew to English distorted the official's original statement, and that he should have been quoted as saying, "We have no connection to Hamas."


The Holy Land Foundation was closed weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon. The action followed years of efforts by Israel and many pro-Israeli groups in the U.S. to close the foundation on the grounds that it was a fundraising front for Hamas.


The former Holy Land officials facing trial are charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists by sending money, goods and services to Palestinian charities controlled by Hamas, a U.S.-designated terrorist group since 1995.


greg.krikorian@ latimes.com


Copyright 2007 Los Angeles Times


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