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  أسئلة عن إلهية المسيح تنتظر الجواب من الن&#158
Posted by: abu-salih - 07-04-2004, 12:26 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


أسئلة عن إلهية المسيح تنتظر الجواب من النصارى


من كان الممسك للسموات والأرض، حين كان ربها وخالقها مربوطا على خشبة الصليب، وقد شدّت يداه ورجلاه بالحبال، وسمرت اليد التي


أتقنت العوالم، فهل بقيت السموات والأرض خلوا من إلهها، وفاطرها، وقد جرى عليه هذا الأمر العظيم؟ !!!


أم تقولون: استخلف على تدبيرها غيره، وهبط عن عرشه، لربط نفسه على خشبة الصليب، وليذوق حر المسامير، وليوجب اللعنة على نفسه،


حيث قال في التوراة: ((ملعون من تعلق بالصليب)) أم تقولون: كان هو المدبر لها في تلك الحال، فكيف وقد مات ودفن؟ ! أم تقولون - وهو


حقيقة قولكم - لا ندري، ولكن هذا في الكتب، وقد قاله الآباء، وهم القدوة. والجواب عليهم: فنقول لكم، وللآباء معاشر النصارى: ما الذي دلّكم


على إلهية المسيح؟ فإن كنتم استدللتم عليها بالقبض من أعدائه عليه، وسوقه إلى خشبة الصليب، وعلى رأسه تاج من الشوك، وهم يبصقون


في وجهه، ويصفعونه. ثم أركبوه ذلك المركب الشنيع، وشدوا يديه ورجليه بالحبال، وضربوا فيها المسامير، وهو يستغيث، وتعلق. ثم فاضت


نفسه، وأودع ضريحه؛ فما أصحه من استدلال عند أمثالكم ممن هم أضل من الأنعام؟ وهم عار على جميع الأنام!!


وإن قلتم: إنما استدللنا على كونه إلها، بأنه لم يولد من البشر، ولو كان مخلوقا لكان مولودا من البشر، فإن كان هذا الاستدلال صحيحا، فآدم إله


المسيح، وهو أحق بأن يكون إلها منه، لأنه لا أم له، ولا أب، والمسيح له أم، وحواء أيضا اجعلوها إلها خامسا، لأنها لا أم لها، وهي أعجب من


خلق المسيح؟ !! والله سبحانه قد نوع خلق آدم وبينه، إظهارا لقدرته، وإنه يفعل ما يشاء، فخلق آدم لا من ذكر، ولا من أنثى، وخلق زوجه


حوى من ذكر، لا من أنثى، وخلق عبده المسيح من أنثى لا من ذكر، وخلق سائر النوع من ذكر وأنثى. وإن قلتم: استدللنا على كونه إلها، بأنه


أحيا الموتى، ولا يحييهم إلا الله. فاجعلوا موسى إلها آخر، فإنه أتى من ذلك بشيء، لم يأت المسيح بنظيره، ولا ما يقاربه، وهو جعل الخشبة


حيوانا عظيما ثعبانا، فهذا أبلغ وأعجب من إعادة الحياة إلى جسم كانت فيه أولا. فإن قلتم: هذا غير إحياء الموتى. فهذا اليسع النبي أتى بإحياء


الموتى، وهم يقرون بذلك. وكذلك إيليا النبي أيضا أحيا صبيا بإذن الله. وهذا موسى قد أحيا بإذن الله السبعين الذين ماتوا من قومه. وفي كتبكم


من ذلك كثير عن الأنبياء والحواريين، فهل صار أحد منهم إلها بذلك؟ !!


وإن قلتم: جعلناه إلها للعجائب التي ظهرت على يديه، فعجائب موسى أعجب وأعجب، وهذا إيليا النبي بارك على دقيق العجوز ودهنها، فلم ينفد ما في جرابها من الدقيق، وما في قارورتها من الدهن سبع سنين!! وإن جعلتموه إلها لكونه أطعم من الأرغفة اليسيرة آلافا من الناس، فهذا موسى قد أطعم أمته أربعين سنة من المن والسلوى!! وهذا محمد بن عبد الله قد أطعم العسكر كله من زاد يسير جدا، حتى شبعوا، وملؤا


أوعيتهم، وسقاهم كلهم من ماء يسير، لا يملأ اليد حتى ملؤا كل سقاء في العسكر، وهذا منقول عنه بالتواتر؟ !! وإن قلتم: جعلناه إلها، لأنه


صاح بالبحر فسكنت أمواجه، فقد ضرب موسى البحر بعصاه، فانفلق اثني عشر طريقا، وقام الماء بين الطرق كالحيطان، وفجر من الحجر


الصلد اثني عشر عينا سارحة!! وإن جعلتموه إلها لأنه أبرأ الأكمه والأبرص، فإحياء الموتى أعجب من ذلك، وآيات موسى ومحمد صلوات


الله وسلامه عليهم أجمعين أعجب من ذلك!!


وإن جعلتموه إلها لأنه ادعى ذلك، فلا يخلو إما أن يكون الأمر كما تقولون عنه، أو يكون إنما ادعى العبودية والافتقار، وأنه مربوب، مصنوع،


مخلوق، فإن كان كما ادعيتم عليه فهو أخو المسيح الدجال، وليس بمؤمن، ولا صادق فضلا عن أن يكون نبيا كريما، وجزاؤه جهنم وبئس


المصير، كما قال تعالى: (ومن يقل منهم إني إله من دونه، فذلك نجزيه جهنم) وكل من ادعى الإلهية من دون الله، فهو من أعظم أعداء الله


كفرعون، ونمرود، وأمثالهما من أعداء الله، فأخرجتم المسيح عن كرامة الله، ونبوته، ورسالته، وجعلتموه من أعظم أعداء الله، ولهذا كنتم أشد


الناس عداوة للمسيح في صورة محب موال!!


ومن أعظم ما يعرف به كذب المسيح الدجال أنه يدعي الإلهية، فيبعث الله عبده ورسوله مسيح الهدى ابن مريم، فيقتله، ويطهر للخلائق أنه كان


كاذبا مفتريا، ولو كان إلها لم يقتل، فضلا عن أن يصلب، ويسمر، ويبصق في وجهه!! وإن كان المسيح إنما ادعى أنه عبد، ونبي، ورسول


كما شهدت به الأناجيل كلها، ودل عليه العقل، والفطرة، وشهدتم أنتم له بالإلهية - وهذا هو الواقع - فلِم تأتوا على إلهيته ببينة غير تكذيبه في


دعواه، وقد ذكرتم عنه في أناجيلكم في مواضع عديدة ما يصرح بعبوديته، وأنه مربوب، مخلوق، وأنه ابن البشر، وأنه لم يدع غير النبوة


والرسالة، فكذبتموه في ذلك كله، وصدقتم من كذب على الله وعليه!!


وإن قلتم: إنما جعلناه إلها، لا لأنه أخبر بما يكون بعده من الأمور، فكذلك عامة الأنبياء، وكثير من الناس يخبر عن حوادث في المستقبل


جزئية، ويكون ذلك كما أخبر به، ويقع من ذلك كثير للكهان والمنجمين والسحرة!! وإن قلتم: إنما جعلناه إلها، لأنه سمى نفسه ابن الله في غير


موضع من الإنجيل كقوله: ((إني ذاهب إلى أبي)) ((وإني سائل أبي)) ونحو ذلك، وابن الإله إله، قيل: فاجعلوا أنفسكم كلكم آلهة، في غير


موضع إنه سماه ((أباه، وأباهم)). كقوله: ((اذهب إلى أبي وأبيكم)). وفيه: ((ولا تسبوا أباكم على الأرض، فإن أباكم الذي في السماء وحده))


وهذا كثير في الإنجيل، وهو يدل على أن الأب عندهم الرب!!


وإن جعلتموه إلها، لأن تلاميذه ادعوا ذلك له، وهم أعلم الناس به، كذبتم أناجيلكم التي بأيديكم، فكلها صريحة أظهر صراحة، بأنهم ما ادعوا له


إلا ما ادعاه لنفسه من أنه عبد. فهذا متى يقول في الفصل التاسع من إنجيله محتجا بنبوة شعيا في المسيح عن الله عز وجل: ((هذا عبدي الذي


اصطفيته، وحبيبي الذي ارتاحت نفسي له)). وفي الفصل الثامن من إنجيله: ((إني أشكرك يا رب)) ((ويا رب السموات والأرض)). وهذا لوقا


يقول في آخر إنجيله: ((أن المسيح عرض له، ولآخر من تلاميذه في الطريق ملك، وهما محزونان فقال لهما وهما لا يعرفانه: ما بالكما


محزونين؟ فقالا: كأنك غريب في بيت المقدس، إذ كنت لا تعلم ما حدث فيها في هذه الأيام من أمر الناصري، فإنه كان رجلا نبيا، قويا، تقيا،


في قوله، وفعله عند الله، وعند الأمة، أخذوه، واقتلوه)). وهذا كثير جدا في الإنجيل!!


وإن قلتم: إنما جعلناه إلها لأنه صعد إلى السماء، فهذا أخنوخ، وإلياس قد صعدا إلى السماء، وهما حيان مكرمان، لم تشكهما شوكة، ولا طمع


فيهما طامع، والمسلمون مجمعون على أن محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم صعد إلى السماء، وهو عبد محض، وهذه الملائكة تصعد إلى السماء،


وهذه أرواح المؤمنين تصعد إلى السماء بعد مفارقتها الأبدان، ولا تخرج بذلك عن العبودية، وهل كان الصعود إلى السماء مخرج عن العبودية


بوجه من الوجوه؟ !!


وإن جعلتموه إلها لأن الأنبياء سمته إلها، وربا، وسيدا، ونحو ذلك، فلم يزل كثير من أسماء إله عز وجل تقع على غيره عند جميع الأمم، وفي


سائر الكتب، وما زالت الروم، والفرس، والهند، والسريانيون، والعبرانيون، والقبط، وغيرهم، يسمون ملوكهم آلهة وأربابا. وفي السفر الأول


من التوراة: ((أن نبي الله دخلوا على بنات إلياس، ورأوهن بارعات الجمال، فتزوجوا منهن)). وفي السفر الثاني من التوراة في قصة المخرج


من مصر: ((إني جعلتك إلها لفرعون)). وفي المزمور الثاني والثمانين لداود ((قام الله لجميع الآلهة)) هكذا في العبرانية، وأما من نقله إلى


السريانية فإنه حرفه، فقال (قام الله في جماعة الملائكة)). وقال في هذا المزمور وهو يخاطب قوماً بالروح: ((لقد ظننت أنكم آلهة، وأنكم أبناء


الله كلكم)).


وقد سمى الله سبحانه عبده بالملك، كما سمى نفسه بذلك، وسماه بالرؤوف الرحيم، كما سمى نفسه بذلك، وسماه بالعزيز، وسمى نفسه بذلك.


واسم الرب واقع على غير الله تعالى في لغة أمة التوحيد، كما يقال: هذا رب المنزل، ورب الإبل، ورب هذا المتاع. وقد قال شعيا: ((عرف


الثور من اقتناه، والحمار مربط ربه، ولم يعرف بنو إسرائيل)). وإن جعلتموه إلهاً لأنه صنع من الطين صورة طائر، ثم نفخ فيها، فصارت


لحماً، ودماً، وطائراً حقيقة، ولا يفعل هذا إلا الله، قيل: فاجعلوا موسى بن عمران إله الآلهة، فإنه ألقى عصا فصارت ثعباناً عظيماً، ثم أمسكها


بيده، فصارت عصا كما كانت!! وإن قلتم: جعلناه إلهاً لشهادة الأنبياء والرسل له بذلك، قال عزرا حيث سباهم بختنصر إلى أرض بابل إلى


أربعمائة واثنين وثمانين سنة (يأتي المسيح ويخلّص الشعوب والأمم)). وعند انتهاء هذه المدة أتى المسيح، ومن يطيق تخليص الأمم غير الإله


التام، قيل لكم: فاجعلوا جميع الرسل إلهة، فإنهم خلّصوا الأمم من الكفر والشرك، وأخلصوهم من النار بإذن الله وحده، ولا شك أن المسيح


خلّص من آمن به واتبعه من ذل الدنيا وعذاب الآخرة. كما خلّص موسى بني إسرائيل من فرعون وقومه، وخلّصهم بالإيمان بالله واليوم الآخر


من عذاب الآخرة، وخلّص الله سبحانه بمحمد بن عبد الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عبده، ورسوله من الأمم والشعوب ما لم يخلّصه نبي سواه، .


وإن قلتم: أوجبنا له بذلك الإلهية، لقول أرمياء النبي عن ولادته: ((وفي ذلك الزمان يقوم لداود ابن، وهو ضوء النور، يملك الملك، ويقيم الحق،


والعدل في الأرض، ويخلص من آمن به من اليهود، ومن بني إسرائيل، ومن غيرهم، ويبقى بيت المقدس من غير مقاتل، ويسمى الإله)). فقد


تقدم أن اسم الإله في الكتب المتقدمة وغيرها، قد أطلق على غيره، وهو بمنزلة الرب، والسيد، والأب، ولو كان عيسى هو الله، لكان أجل من


أن يقال ويسمى الإله، وكان يقول: وهو الله، فإن الله سبحانه لا يعرف بمثل هذا، وفي هذا الدليل الذي جعلتموه به إلهاً أعظم الأدلة على أنه


عبد، وأنه ابن البشر، فإنه قال: ((يقوم لداود ابن)) فهذا الذي قام لداود هو الذي سمى بالإله، فعلم أن هذا الاسم لمخلوق مصنوع، مولود، لا


لرب العالمين، وخالق السموات والأرضين.


وإن قلتم: إنما جعلناه إلهاً من جهة، قول شعيا النبي: قل لصهيون يفرح ويتهلل فإن الله يأتي، ويخلّص الشعوب، ويخلّص من آمن به، ويخلّص


مدينة بيت المقدس، ويظهر الله ذراعه الطاهر فيها لجميع الأمم المتبددين، ويجعلهم أمة واحدة، ويصرّ جميع أهل الأرض خلاص الله، لأنه


يمشي معهم، وبين أيديهم، ويجمعهم إله إسرائيل)). قيل لهم: هذا يحتاج إلى أن يعلم أن ذلك في نبوة أشعيا بهذا اللفظ، بغير تحريف للفظه، ولا


غلط في الترجمة، وهذا غير معلوم، وإن ثبت ذلك لم يكن فيه دليل على أنه إله تام، وأنه غير مصنوع، ولا مخلوق، فإنه نظير ما في التوراة:


((جاء الله من طور سيناء، وأشرق من ساعير، واستعلن من جبال فاران)) وليس في هذا ما يدل على أن موسى ومحمداً إلهان، والمراد بهذا


مجيء دينه، وكتابه، وشرعه، وهداه، ونوره. وأما قوله: ((ويظهر ذراعه الطاهر لجميع الأمم المبددين)) ففي التوارة مثل هذا، وأبلغ منه في


غير موضع، وأما قوله: ((ويصرّ جميع أهل الأرض خلاص الله، لأنه يمشي معهم، ومن بين أيديهم)). فقد قال في التوراة في السفر الخامس


لبني إسرائيل: ((لا تهابوهم، ولا تخافوهم، لأن الله ربكم السائر بين أيديكم، وهو محارب عنكم)) وفي موضع آخر قال موسى: ((إن الشعب


هو شعبك، فقال: أنا أمضي أمامك، فقال: إن لم تمض أنت أمامنا، وإلا فلا تصعدنا من ههنا، فكيف أعلم أنا؟ وهذا الشعب أني وجدت نعمة كذا


إلا بسيرك معنا)). وفي السفر الرابع (إني أصعدت هؤلاء بقدرتك، فيقولان لأهل هذه الأرض: الذي سمعوا منك الله، فيما بين هؤلاء القوم


يرونه عيناً بعين، وغمامك تغيم عليهم، ويعود عماماً يسير بين أيديهم نهاراً، ويعود ناراً ليلاً. وفي التوراة أيضاً: ((يقول الله لموسى: إني آتٍ


إليك في غلظ الغمام، لكي يسمع القوم مخاطبتي لك)). وفي الكتب الإلهية، وكلام الأنبياء من هذا كثير. وفيما حكى خاتم الأنبياء عن ربه تبارك


وتعالى أنه قال: ((ولا يزال عبدي يتقرب إليّ بالنوافل حتى أحبّه، فإذا أحببته كنت سمعه الذي يسمع به، وبصره الذي يبصر به، ويده التي


يبطش بها، ورجله التي يمشي بها، فبي يسمع، وبي يبصر، وبي يبطش، وبي يمشي)).


وإن قلتم: جعلناه إلهاً، لقول زكريا في نبوته لصهيون: ((لأني آتيك وأحل فيك، واترائي، وتؤمن بالله في ذلك اليوم الأمم الكثيرة، ويكونون له


شعباً واحداً، ويحل هو فيهم، ويعرفون أني أنا الله القوي الساكن فيك، ويأخذ الله في ذلك اليوم الملك من يهوذا، ويملك عليهم إلى الأبد))... قيل


لكم: إن أوجبتم له الإلهية بهذا، فلتجب لإبراهيم، وغيره من الأنبياء؛ فإن عند أهل الكتاب وأنتم معهم ((أن الله تجلى لإبراهيم، واستعلن له،


وترائى له)). وأما قوله: ((وأحل فيك)) لم يرد سبحانه بهذا حلول ذاته، التي لا تسعها السموات والأرض في بيت المقدس، وكيف تحل ذاته في


مكان يكون فيه مقهوراً مغلوباً، مع شرار الخلق؟ !! كيف، وقد قال ((ويعرفون أني أنا الله القوي الساكن فيك)). افترى، عرفوا قوته بالقبض


عليه، وشد يديه بالحبال، وربطه على خشبة الصليب، ودق المسامير في يديه ورجليه، ووضع تاج الشوك على رأسه، وهو يستغيث ولا


يغاث، وما كان المسيح يدخل بيت المقدس إلا وهو مغلوب مقهور، مستخف في غالب أحواله. ولو صح مجيء هذه الألفاظ صحة لا تدفع،


وصحت ترجمتها كما ذكروه، لكان معناها: أن معرفة الله، والإيمان به، وذكره، ودينه، وشرعه، حل في تلك البقعة، وبيت المقدس لما ظهر


فيه دين المسيح بعد دفعه، حصل فيه من الإيمان بالله ومعرفته، ما لم يكن قبل ذلك.


(وجماع الأمر): أن النبوات المتقدمة، والكتب الإلهية، لم تنطق بحرف واحد يقتضي أن يكون ابن البشر إلهاً تاماً: إله حق من إله حق، وأنه


غير مصنوع، ولا مربوب، بل بِمَ يخصه إلا بما خص به أخوه، وأولى الناس به محمد بن عبد الله، في قوله: ((أنه عبد الله ورسوله، وكلمته


ألقاها إلى مريم، وروح منه)). وكتب الأنبياء المتقدمة، وسائر النبوات موافقة لما أخبر به محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم،

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  Brithdays
Posted by: atlgirl89 - 07-04-2004, 02:09 AM - Forum: Islam - Replies (12)


assalamo allikum


i was wondering if it is haram to celebrate brithdays?

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  Need Help: Searching Some Arabic Reference Article
Posted by: abd_allah - 07-04-2004, 01:19 AM - Forum: General - Replies (2)


Need help: searching some Arabic reference article about Islam in china


Alsalamu alaikom:


I need some Arabic articles introduce the history of Islam in china, such as how Islam go to china? and spread in there? The communication between Arabs and Chinese at that time? chinese muslim Contribution to Chinese Civilization in different aspects etc. and some introduction about the China's first mosque--known to this day as the 'Memorial Mosque.'


Please, I want these reference articles in Arabic language, cause one Chinese Muslim travel agent want to promote its Arabs tourist market, promote more Arabs tour to China,visit chinese muslim ummah, chinese masjid, custom, taste food,etc.


he need prepare these information and print out to some brochures and booklets to introduce


Please those who know and have these article,


please E mail to me: wbhe@hotmail or post the website link here. Jazak Allahu kheirun


some reading refer to islam in china:


...........


China, which has been close to Muslim hearts for over 1400 years, is home to millions of Muslims.


Islam's contact with China began during the caliphate of 'Uthman ibn Affan (Allayhi Rahma, ra), the third caliph. After triumphing over the Byzantine, Romans and the Persians, 'Uthman ibn Affan, dispatched a deputation to China in 29 AH (650 C.E., Eighteen years after the Prophet's death), under the leadership by Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqaas (Allayhi Rahma), Prophet Muhammad's (Salla Allahu wa Allahai wa Sallam, pbuh) maternal uncle, inviting the Chinese emperor to embrace Islam.


The Muslim mission built China's first mosque, the magnificent Canton city mosque known to this day as the 'Memorial Mosque.' Over the years Muslim trading activity through traders and merchant naval movements led many to settle in China. One of the first Muslim settlements in China was established in port city of Cheng Aan during the era of the Tang dynasty....

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  What...islam?
Posted by: Yusrah - 07-03-2004, 10:41 PM - Forum: Islam - Replies (4)


As salamu aleykum wr wb


I'm a new user here, peace be upon you all! I hope I will be a good guest and y'all be good host. Keepme in ur duahs. :[Image: smile.gif]


I finished writing my latest article which took me about a hour and 1/2. Plz , list your comments so that I might understand my qualities and errors contain within my writing. Take care all [Image: tongue.gif]


What... Islam?


One thing we are surronded by is a modern world in which religion should have "no" influence in ones life. When a person is submitted to worshipping and sticks to the practices, we look at them in a different way. But it really depends on which religion. For example, a nun is respected by some as well as a rabbi du to the fact that they have giving up their desires to worship their God. But lets talk about Muslims, yes, Muslims. They aren't looked at as religious practicing people but rather, "extremist". One thing that does not make sense is the fact that when a woman, whether she be Christian, jew or anything els, stays home to help with the kids, she is a good person and is sacrficing her time but when a "Muslimah" stays home, she needs to be liberated. But from what? Hardship or is it religion? You think. Another thing thats racist is when a jew grows a beard, he is looked at as a practicing person but when a Muslim man posseses a beard, we have no chose but to mark him as extremist.


In the past, we were thought to be weird people who's belief was abnormal, but we proved them wrong. With the scientifics facts that was found within the Holy Quran- the book Muslims call the word of God- we presented them reality in the best of forms. The Holy Quran is known as the Miracle of Miracles. How can such a book which was brought down 14 centuries ago have such knowledg that man has only descovered recently? The answer is simple and truthful, it is the litterit word of the Al-Mighty Creator, Allah. But one thing that is always bore in mind, is if this book that was proven to be the word of God by Muslims as well as non-Muslims, how is it that so many turn away from it? Well, I am no Creator but rather a creation of Allah (swt), however I might have an idea of the truth behind it.


Islam is the most simplest religion indeed, but it is also complex. We says Islam is like an ocean. When a Muslim prays, the process seems a little bit too much. The movements, the words, and even the concentration you must posses renders life a little bit more hard. But no, it does not. In Islam, this world which is refered to as Dunya should have no value. We believe that man was put on this earth to be tested. We have obligations to fulfill but we have been given the free will. We can chose the right conduct of life or the wrong conduct in which we follow our own desires. Each choice has its own concequences, be they good or bad. People don't want to commit or surrender to the laws, attitude and conduct of life because of the rules which prevent its followers to follow some of their own desires which can be harmful and shameful to them. Such as driking, gambling, eating pork, have intimite relations with someone without being married to them and so on and so on. These acts are not just like any acts, each have their our bad concequences and bad concequences. Its funny how what is bidden for us is also beneficiel like fasting (Sawm) and praying Salat (obligatory prayer). Its been proven that fasting is beneficiel for ones spiritual life and soul and helps to control ones own desires. Salat eases a person after they have preformed a well done prayer in which devotion, love, fear, and humility as well as concentration is constant. So many things to do and so many things to refuse but trust me, it will be worth it at the end


Another possible and logical reason is the way Islam is presented to people. What I mean is the image people portray to represent Islam. Unfortunatly, there are so many portraits but only one is the right one. There are so many groups who clame to be the "right followers". I follow the one which is known through out the earth and make sense 100%. That is I follow the Quran and the Sunnah. We are already aware of what the Quran is (the word of Allah, Glory be to Him), but what's the Sunnah? The Sunnah is what our Prophet, or Apostle did, prohibited or approved of. In other words its his life. We follow what he has told us and we must as it has been told in the Quran. La illaha illah la, Muhammadan rasululah. There are no other gods but Allah (swt) and Muhammad is His messenger (peace be upon him). Our Prophet has warned us of such a time in which there would be corruption. He told us that there would 73 rows of Muslims on the Day of Judgement in which only one would enter Paradise. Indeed we have reach that time and there are so many groups. But what did he say about that group who would enter Jannah? He ordered us to stick to the Quran and his way, yes the Sunnah.


But even though more the 80% of the Muslims agree with the Quran and Sunnah being the sources of Islam,not so many are practicing.


We are portraying such an image that many have comme to the conclusion that our beliefs are abnormal and untruthful. We see on TV the beheading of innocent non Muslims by people who say that they are Islam. Even though clarics, leaders and Imams are begging them not to do such acts, they refused. Like I said, so many groups but only one truthful.


Its funny how the majority of "Muslims" who go on TV are giving the opposit reality of Islam. But I think that they are being broadcast on TV by the kafirs who know they will give a bad Image to Islam. But one thing that can be assured is that through all these accusations, lies and blasphemist tales of Islam, Islam is the world most fastest growing religion.


There are so many other possible reason behind people rejecting Islam, but I will not list for I might be wrong and I have already stated my 2 most logical reason for the lack of people accepting Islam. I can not say that I'm right or wrong. I concider that lack of Muslims one of the great wonders of the world. Hey, maybe it will be revealed on the day all things will be revealed. Until then, I guess just have to wait and continue to answer the questions of the kafirs who say What... Islam?

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  Non-muslim?? Pass By
Posted by: peace bird - 07-03-2004, 03:41 PM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - Replies (74)


helo every one ..

I wanna to ask a question for each one here but I want honest answer ,

Do you have the feeling that u are going to live too much, how many years u will live ?

Whatever the numbers of years u will go to grave one day !!

Maybe tomorrow or maybe today !!no one know but Allah,,

Do u think that u r ready enough to face (Allah)?

Do u prepare the answers when He asks your about your past days?

When he ask u about prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) why didn’t u follow him?

What your answer will be ?

Don’t u think that Muslims don’t believe in Jesus the Christ or other prophets , or the Bible but he is not the son of Allah the only religion that will be accepted is Islam , when will you understand this ?

I feel pity toward you whom never see beyond their feet and their fun in life !! this life will be dust and we ourselves will be so ,,there is no life except the in paradise ,,

Seize the opportunity before nothing will help but the real faith ,,

Excuse me about the language...

I just wanna to say something in my heart about my feeling toward my great religion Islam

And I am so proud for being Muslim hope everyone in this world are Muslims, to try this great ,wonderful religion,,,




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  My Journey To Islam
Posted by: Abdu11ah_au1981 - 07-03-2004, 12:42 PM - Forum: Islam - Replies (30)


Assalamu Alaikum


I'm a 22yo Aussie guy who converted/reverted to Islam only 2 months ago now. I come from a non religious background although as a teen I occasionally went to Christian church to see friends who were Christians. I'd never taken any interest in other religions as I assumed Christianity was the right religion...although I didnt really practise it! Recent events in the media brought about my awareness of Islam, I still didnt have a clue what it was then either, you never see Islam being portrayed as good in the media. About a year ago I had made a new friend of Middle Eastern background, the first thing I asked was wether he was a Muslim, he was, although he doesn't really practise it. I asked a lot of questions, but couldn't get the answers I wanted...He didn't want me to think he was preaching. I ended up studying books and started reading an interpretation of the Qu'ran, in which my friend had lent to me.


I looked up sites on the net and found out about the scientific proofs of the Qu'ran which first put belief into my heart. All I can say really is I admired everything about Islam, from Economics, Modesty, Zakat which helps the poor and needy, the Oneness of Allah, the Messenger(saws), the Qur'an from which I could find no flaws, the reasons behind Fasting and much much more! It was exactly the guidance and way of life I always craved.


I fell in love with Islam and I ended up teaching my friend about his religion! I didn't tell him, but I knew I would become a Muslim, but when? I asked my friend to take me to the Mosque each week so I could see what it was like, he never went himself and was hesitant in taking me there, after 6 months my wish was fulfilled and we went. That day I uttered my Shadahah that Friday at the Mosque in front of the 30 or so who were there and I haven't looked back. It took 5 weeks to learn how to perform Salat by memory and not reading off paper in front of me!!


My family are supportive, especially my mother, Alhumdulillah. She's thinks it's a load of crap but is happy to see me happy! I used to be down a lot and now I'm always smiling! At first she didn't believe me when I said I converted, but she was expecting it as she already knew I was reading Qu'ran and books about Islam. I admit I have lost some friends...but I made new friends Alhumdulillah who inspire me and I inspire them!


I hope anyone who is thinking of reverting who reads this may benefit from this testimony. Feel free to ask any questions if you like and I hope I can answer inshAllah.


PS. If you feel you are called to Islam, answer that call...because you never know when it is your time to go. Alhamdulillah I answered that call and I know I will die a Muslim.


Wassalamu Alaikum [Image: smile.gif]

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  :bush" You'll Be Sorry.
Posted by: abeer - 07-02-2004, 08:39 PM - Forum: General - Replies (31)


I find that the intentional abuse of detainees by


military police personnel included the following acts:


a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees;


jumping on their naked feet;


b. (S) <b>Videotaping and photographing naked male and</b>


female detainees;


c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various


sexually explicit positions for photographing;


d. (S) <b>Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and</b>


keeping them naked for several days at a time;


e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's


underwear;


f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate


themselves while being photographed and videotaped;


g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and


then jumping on them;


h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box,


with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his


fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;


i. (S) Writing "I am a Rapest" (sic) on the leg of a


detainee alleged to have<b> forcibly raped a 15-year old
</b>


fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;


j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked


detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a


picture;


k. (S) <b>A male MP guard having sex with a female</b>


detainee;


l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles)


to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least


one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;


m. (S) <b>Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees</b>.


a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the


phosphoric liquid on detainees;


b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;


c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;


d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a


chair;


e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;


f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the


wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed


against the wall in his cell;


g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and


perhaps a broom stick.


h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and


intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one


instance actually biting a detainee.


"the MI staffs to my understanding


have been giving Granier compliments on the way he has


been handling the MI holds. Example being statements


like, "Good job, they're breaking down real fast. They



answer every question. They're giving out good


information, Finally, and Keep up the good work . Stuff


like that."


TAGUBA REPORT


http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/libra.../800-mp-bde.htm

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  The Ideal Muslimah
Posted by: abu-salih - 07-02-2004, 12:37 PM - Forum: Woman and family - No Replies


Salam to all i found this book link and i hope you visit this link and salam to all


http://www.wefound.org/texts/Ideal_Muslims...dealMuslim3.htm

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  Equation Of One God Without Partners
Posted by: abu-salih - 07-02-2004, 11:33 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


Equation of One God without partners


Father = 1.0 Son = 1.0 Holy Spirit =1.0


{total} = 3.0


Even if we use the Christian mathematical equation of "trinity", it does not add up.


The Christian's technique of addition is that {Father}& {Son} & {Holy Spirit} are all "equal" and therefore 1.0


Yet the Bible gives us a different equation for the numerical value of Jesus.


Jesus admits "..my Father is greater than I", {John 14:28} This subtracts a Decimal {-0.1}


"I can of mine own self do nothing...," {John 5:30} This subtracts another decimal {-0.1}


At this point, Jesus in no longer a complete 1.0 but now a {0.8}


Now the list of figures are {Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 and {Holy Spirit} = 1.0, Bringing the Total to {2.8}


Reading and depending on the Bible, there is a "quantity" that is overlooked by Christians which has clear value in this equation.


Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood like Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10;6:20)


Melchizedek has no beginning and no end, no Mother and no Father {Hebrew 7:3}, now that is what I call an immaculate conception!


First, Jesus sought to be a High Priest like Melchizedek.


Second, Melchizedek had a more Miraculous birth, without a "mother" or "father", with no beginning or end, although Melchizedek clearly worshiped 1 God so we will give Melchizedek a value of {0.9}


Now the total according to the Bible and Christian belief is


{Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 {Holy Spirit} = 1.0 and {Melchizedek} = 0.9


Bringing the Total to {3.7}


There are more variables which we can add for example Genesis 32:24-30 Jacob wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob.


This information would make Jacob a {1.1} the Father would remains at {1.0} since through out the Bible, Isaiah 43:10-11,Deuteronomy 4:39, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah44:6, Isaiah45:6, Isaiah 45:22, Exodus 20:3, Exodus 34:14, the Bible "Clearly" States that God is {1.0}


"For there is One God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus", (I Timothy 2:5).


Of course I am not that good in math, there is a form of advanced mathematics in Christianity that I just can't comprehend, that is the "changing variables" Which means, at one point in the Bible, God is given a quantity and then later on that quantity is either subtracted from or added to or in other words, "fluctuating values".


For example:


God is given the value and quantity of "Never sleeping",


(Psalm 121:4): "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." And Yet according to trinity then Jesus is supposed to have this "Equal" power but "Jesus sleeps"


How can Jesus be 100% Equal if he worshipped God as any other mortal (Luke 5:16):


"And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed."


Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 4:1-13) but in James 1:13 is said: "...for God cannot be tempted with evil.."


I am confused, If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "Equal", why doesn't the Bible "consistently" say they are equal instead of giving them and "others" changing values.


I think I will refer to the "Teachers Edition" to get the answers to this complicated question "


"O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was [no more or less than] a messenger of Allah, and His word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers.


Say not "Three": desist!, it is better for you, for Allah is one God, Glory be to Him, Far exalted is He above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs." Qur'an (4):171.


Now it all makes sense, the Qur'an clarified what the Bible is saying. I would be going against the Bible itself if I had "unsupported inconsistent faith in trinity" because the Bible says: "For God is not the Author of confusion, but of peace.." (I Corinthians 14:33).


salam alikum

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  The Original Sin
Posted by: abu-salih - 07-02-2004, 09:12 AM - Forum: Discussion of Beliefs - No Replies


I am sure you must have heard it said that we were born in sin—and perhaps you even believe that. But let's think about that for a moment. Would the Just God blame you for a sin you never committed? Would He hold you responsible for what someone else did? Definitely not! God's book teaches that you are responsible for only your own actions. You cannot sin until you do something wrong. And you certainly could not have done wrong before you were even born.


Yet we often meet people who say that we are somehow born in sin. Could that possibly be true? They say that the first human being, Adam, sinned, and through him sin entered the world; and now sin corrupts everything, including every newborn baby. Can you follow that logic? Can you believe that human beings are condemned before they do anything? Which judge would condemn people for crimes they never committed? A just judge cannot do that except by mistake. But what about God? Would He make such a mistake? We cannot imagine such false ideas about God. He is Just. He holds you responsible for what you do, and He does not blame you I am sure you must have heard it said that we were born in sin—and perhaps you even believe that.


But let's think about that for a moment. Would the Just God blame you for a sin you never committed? Would He hold you responsible for what someone else did? Definitely not! God's book teaches that you are responsible for only your own actions. You cannot sin until you do something wrong. And you certainly could not have done wrong before you were even born.


Yet we often meet people who say that we are somehow born in sin. Could that possibly be true? They say that the first human being, Adam, sinned, and through him sin entered the world; and now sin corrupts everything, including every newborn baby. Can you follow that logic? Can you believe that human beings are condemned before they do anything? Which judge would condemn people for crimes they never committed? A just judge cannot do that except by mistake. But what about God? Would He make such a mistake? We cannot imagine such false ideas about God. He is Just. He holds you responsible for what you do, and He does not blame you for what the first human being did.


But even after you do wrong, God is always willing to forgive. He is full of loving kindness, and He loves to forgive. He is willing to forgive anyone who turns to Him and seeks forgiveness. This means that if you did something wrong you can still turn back to God and He will forgive you, if you sincerely decide to give up that sin. Isn't this refreshing to know? Isn't it wonderful to know that even if we lived a whole life of sin but we decide now to change our lives and obey God He would forgive us this minute? And that's just between us and God. We don't need any confession box, and we don't need anyone to suffer for our sins. Can we resist the loving kindness that God is offering us?


God wants us to know about His love. He wants us to know that He is Just. He wants us to know the truth about Him so that when we turn to Him we know to Whom we are turning. But there is so much misinformation about God. Where can we get correct information about Him? In His book! That's so obvious, isn't it? God told us about Himself in His book. We owe it to ourselves to see what God has to say about Himself. Shouldn't you be reading God's book? Here's God's message to you in His book:


The Qur'an is God's final book which He revealed for the guidance of all humankind.


O mankind! Now has a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; as for those who believe in Allah and hold fast unto Him, them will He cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and will guide them unto Him by a straight road. (Qur'an 4:174-5)


The Qur'an is God's final book which He revealed for the guidance of all humankind


SALAM ALIKUM

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