06-11-2006, 06:21 PM
Riots in Iran
What kind of government religious or otherwise kills citizens who want to watch their nation play a football match? Is this sort of lack of freedom condoned in the Islamic world?
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There is no freedom for Muslims in Iran
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 Riots in Iran What kind of government religious or otherwise kills citizens who want to watch their nation play a football match? Is this sort of lack of freedom condoned in the Islamic world? 
06-12-2006, 03:52 AM
Bismillah: Quote:Riots in Iran First of all, Iran is not “the Muslim world”. But I do agree in some Muslim countries freedom is not properly given to people, but this have nothing to do with Islam. In fact Islam has nothing to do with what individual Muslims do or what the Muslim society does. Salam Wael
06-12-2006, 02:09 PM
Howdy partner! Dat aint Iran , Its SOmalia..... Iran lost btw 3 -1 to the gringo's from el-mexico none need to Defend Islam, as islam is not in question/ The means used do not justify the end here. Simple.
06-12-2006, 09:53 PM
Quote:Bismillah: I know it doesn't constitute "the Muslim world" in it's entirety....but is not Iran a Muslim Theocracy??? If countries not giving freedom to their citizens has nothing to do with Islam than how come this problem is so prevelent in the Muslim world?? I can only think of 2 non-muslim countries like this. North Korea and Cuba.
09-17-2006, 10:57 AM
Quote:I know it doesn't constitute "the Muslim world" in it's entirety....but is not Iran a Muslim Theocracy??? No freedom? I guess that is how you define freedom. They have a constitution and they are allowed to leave the country when they wish? They may not have the freedoms awarded in some countries but freedom is subjective. I the USA do I really have freedom? I have to ask the government permission to do almost anything I wish to do. Can I build a shed on my property without permission? Can I build the shelter appropriate for me and my income? NO I must follow zoning laws for the selfish so their property values do not decrease. Can I hunt without permission and licensing? NO Can I even fish with permission and licensing? NO Can I cut someones hair as a business without a License and permission? NO I cannot even cut someones hair with permission? I think you misunderstand freedom and that it has vanished from the USA!! Peace to all Voice of reason
09-21-2006, 02:00 AM
Quote:No freedom? I guess that is how you define freedom. They have a constitution and they are allowed to leave the country when they wish? They may not have the freedoms awarded in some countries but freedom is subjective. Yeah...you are right. Iranians are way better off than Americans in the Freedom Department!
09-21-2006, 02:03 PM
Quote:Yeah...you are right. Iranians are way better off than Americans in the Freedom Department! Nice strawman, (that is a form of logical fallacy) Can you please show me the quote where I state that Iranians are better off than Americans in the freedom dept.? Unless of course you are assuming and you would be incorrect. Your post title is NO FREEDOM for Muslims in Iran. Did I misunderstand your post? Also you speak of a government killing? The USA killed all those at Waco, Texas including woman and children. For what? We all know they could have captured David Koresh in town but no that was not good enough, extermination had to take place. Iran is an Islamic Republic, the USA is a Constitutional Republic. Iran holds elections. USA holds elections. Iranians are free to leave the country when they wish. Americans are free to leave the country as they wish. Instead of watching the news and forming your opinion on Iranian and Muslim freedom why not do a little research and actually read the Iranian constitution. They do have one it is based on Islamic law. They have more "freedom" than you think. Peace to all, Voice of Reason
09-21-2006, 03:40 PM
Lets see...here are some links that you may find interesting since you are so interested in "facts." Iran Human Rights Violation...list of 20,000 killed by Mullah Amnesty International Iran human rights violation article. Why would an Iran Freedom Project Exist if Iran was Free? The best you can do to knock American freedom is to bring up the Waco thing from like 15 years ago? Are you serious? No doubt Janet Reno completely mishandled the situation but if that is the worst thing you can say about American freedom than you need to rethink your position. 
09-21-2006, 05:19 PM
Quote:Also you speak of a government killing? The USA killed all those at Waco, Texas including woman and children. For what? We all know they could have captured David Koresh in town but no that was not good enough, extermination had to take place. Peace...... Now, now Voice. What proof do you have to back up the claim that the government killed everyone in the Koresh compound in Waco, Texas. Even the women and the children? I would like to read the government report that states that. Shamms
09-21-2006, 07:05 PM
Quote:Peace...... If one innocent person died that is too much. I do not have a government report but I feel that the government does not always tell the truth. Many things are hidden from Americans and there may have been some survivors I was going from memory alone. The jest of the matter is the USA government attacked Waco's private property and killed many that is horrendous no matter how you look at it. Peace to all, Voice of Reason |
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