Rape Victim Pardoned

[AlShamms]

Peace.....



Found this article and since I didn't see any discussions about it, thought I'd post it here (curious that John Doe didn't jump all over this)


<a>Saudi King Pardons Rape Victim</a>


It brings to mind a few questions:


1. If this case had not attracted world wide attention, would the King had pardoned the woman?


and


2. Does his pardon still imply the woman was guilty of the charges?


Just thoughts I wanted to get other's opinions on.


Shamms

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


as salam alykom Shamms


The link is not working, but any way, is this the case of the married woman who was raped after been taken for her male companion (who was not her husband)??


If this is the case, and she was pardoned, to me, the king should not violate Allah's law to please the world. The reason she was convicted is not because she was the cause for her rape, but rather she is a married woman who was in the company of a male stranger. She was not found in an intercourse situation, thus, she cannt be charged with Zina. I wonder if the same penalty was applied for her male companion.


Just my thoughts. wallahu A`lam.

[Dan]

Bismillah


For those who actually want to delve into this matter in detail, here is link to an article that addresses all the factors that played in this case:


http://calltoislam.com/pdf/The%20Hidden%20...ts%20Lashes.pdf

[AlShamms]

Peace.....



Now Dan, are you insinuating that I have not "delved into the matter in detail"? <_< Interesting....


Shamms

[SisterJennifer]

Asalaamu alikum


I think the link the brother Dan posted is very thorough and helpful in explaining this aspect of shariah to those who are not familiar with it. Jazak Allah khairn

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Shamms, did you even read my post or just wanted to comment on Dan's.


I said the link you posted is not working.


Jazakum Allah khairan Dan.

[reepicheep]

<b>Bismillah</b>


OK, I've read the first sentence of the article Dan links to, and already I have a couple of questions. The first sentence reads:


[size="4]<b>Because you only read the first sentence and then decided to hijack the thread and totally change the topic of disucssions which others - like Shamms - are really interested in discussing. Out of respect to those people and others, I deleted your totally out of context post. And I m asking you again reepi to pls stick to the topic, actually you just have dont that on another thread and I gave you a chance by not deleting the post. </b>


Now I think you need to respect others..[/size]

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Any more off topic replies will only have me close the thread.

[Karbala]

Salam,


That is an interesting but biased article Dan posted. I would like to think we arent gullible enough to simply trust whatever the Saudi officials have to say in order to defend themselves.


Interesting how the article begins with an attack on my people ie the Shi'a:

"The heretics (i.e. the Rawaafidh)used the incident as a means to fan the flames of sectarianism,
lashing out at the Sunnis of Saudi Arabia, referring to them as “Wahabis”."

I couldnt help but laugh how these people complain we fan the flames of sectarianism yet they themselves go around calling us Rawaafidh! and Heretics!. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Anyway heres my opinion on this article.

The Qatif woman was tried in a court of law and found guilty of Zinnah (in the general sense of the word). She
is a convicted Zaani (adulterer).

How easily these people manage to call the girl of Qatif an adulterer! How do they justfiy it?

"<b>Allaah has decreed for every son of Adam his share of</b>
zinaa, and there is no way to escape from it. The zinaa of the eye is a glance, the


zinaa of the tongue is speaking, and the zinaa of the mind is wishing and hoping;


then the private part either acts upon this or it does not.’” (Reported by al-


Bukhaari, 11/26; Muslim, 4/2046)."

Guys you know what WE ARE ALL CONVICTED ADULTERERS according to the "general" definition of zinaa used by the saudi courts. THis is a joke!!!!!


The crux of Call to Islams argument seems to be an admision of the woman that she was having an illegal affair. The evidence they site BBC and Arab News

The statement, which the ministry says is a response to media scrutiny of the
ruling, said that the rape victim confessed to having an illegal affair with the man


who was caught with her.

The statement, which the ministry says is a response to media scrutiny of the
ruling, said that the rape victim confessed to having an illegal affair with the man


who was caught with her.

Im not sure if the people at Call to Islam ever went to school or are simply unaware of source analysis. The only evidence they have that the woman admitted to an illegal affair is a biased statement from the ministry of justice themselves!!!! They expect the unbiased critical reader to just believe them?


Uh oh! it seems the very same source (arab news) now has another article in which the victims lawyer and the victims husband are disputing the statements claim and even going as far as complaining of defamation of the rape victim.

The lawyer and the husband reject claims by the ministry that the young woman had confessed to her moral crime. They said the judges were using witness testimony by the men who were found guilty of abducting and gang-raping not only the woman but the man she was with at the time.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&...ategory=Kingdom


All I want to say really is "Khalwa" is not the same as zinaa. I wonder where the humanity in this world has gone when a victim of gang-rape is punished and called an adulteres while the rapists are given lenient sentences.


Sort of reminds me how in the west rape victims are called whores and are blamed entirely for what happened to them.

[Dan]

Bismillah


Wow...


I am always amazed when there is one article but so many different and seemingly conflicting reactions.


"How easily these people manage to call the girl of Qatif an adulterer! How do they justfiy it?"


Re-read the article bc this IS addressed.


"Guys you know what WE ARE ALL CONVICTED ADULTERERS according to the "general" definition of zinaa used by the saudi courts. THis is a joke!!!!!"


This too...


"All I want to say really is "Khalwa" is not the same as zinaa. I wonder where the humanity in this world has gone when a victim of gang-rape is punished and called an adulteres while the rapists are given lenient sentences."


Did you really read this article?


Every "point" you have raised was addressed and explained.


Of course, I am not shocked that you as a Shi'a have issues with the way in which a Sunni nation runs its government.


I am just a little shocked that (as was stated in the article) how ready muslims lately are to trust western media over other muslims. Truly a sign of our sickness.