A Statement On The Beheading!

[Hazams]

Amen to that Jon. There are so many racists here, it's really unbelievable

[Dan]

Bismillah


Wow. Another great informative post.


Way to fight generalizations with generalizations.


How are you coming to the conclusion that Bush is a good man and wants peace? He told you? Where I am from, actions speak louder than lies. Bush IS a liar and had an agenda to accomplish even before entering office. For someone who wants peace, he seems to start alot of wars. Oh, I forgot about all of the weapons of mass destruction and the obvious Iraqi links to Al-Qaeda. "Saddam was a bad man and we are freeing Iraq." You know how many bad rulers are out there? Why Iraq? Isn't North Korea still arming themselves with nukes? Yet we do not want to tussle with them because that would actually be a fight. Plus do they have resources that we could use? Central and South America is riddled with horrible leaders.


Thanks for the undate about the forum as well. I did not even know that this forum was full of "small time english muslims."


May Allah Guide us ALL.


Peace

[Hazams]

Well Dan, we didn't have much of a choice. Let's look at what are choices were before Bush launched the war in Iraq.


1) Continued U.N. sanctions on Iraq which oppressed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis, including many women and children.


2) Remove sanctions from Iraq, and allow Saddam Hussein to possible devise a plan in order to create WMDs and sell them to the highest bidder on the black market (Al Qaeda anyone?)


3) Start a war to completely remove the Baathist party from power, in regards to the number of civilian casualties caused by the war.


The most logical conclusion comes down to number three. Sooner or later, Saddam was going to become a dangerous rogue leader. If you have actually heard a few of his speeches or read them (which I have) you will have come to the conclusion that the man is quite insane. A lunatic like him should not be leading any country. Now, whether you like it or not, the Iraqi people are 100x freer today than they were prior to March 2003. The security problem over their will become under control I feel within the next couple of years. This war will benefit the Iraqi people (as well as us and the rest of the world community) in the long term.


As for your continued blabbering regarding North Korea, it comes down to four things.


1) North Korea has no natural resources that would somehow be beneficial for our country


2) North Korea has a standing army of a little over a million troops which were and are continully being trained by the Chinese government.


3) The possible backing from China if we invade.


4) Iraq, and the Baathist regime. gave aid to many terrorist organizations around the Middle East. This ranges from Abu Nidal to Al Qaeda (the very organization that attacked our citizens). The war in Iraq would have never took place if 9/11 didn't take place, so try blaming the terrorist organizations instead of Bush


There are too many uncertainties about North Korea, and I feel that diplomatic talks will work.

[Shereen]

ALLAH URGED US TO DEFEND OUR SELVES .
THEY KILL US WE KILL THEM >>> SIMPLE AS THAT.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH , AND HE WHO BEGAN IS THE UNJUST ........ ALLAH SAID SO IN IS HOLY QURA'AN.


كتب على الذين آمنوا القتال بأنهم ظلموا


العين بالعين والسن بالسن والبادئ أظلم


and i hope you'd understand by now AMERICANS WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ UNLESS WE FORCE THEM TO !!!

elhando lillah ....ur very right.....what does they expect? that ALL the ppl just sit in homes happily as the USA troops destroy their houses & families........they started this mess & they'll have to pay atleast 'something'



USA troops have killed 13,000 Iraqies......& some beheadings is they 'cruelty'.......well they r the ones who r the viallans here

[Qutuz]

resisting the Crsuading savages and tearing them apart when we have to is not what we are discussing here i think...because it doesn't need discussion..they invaded an Islamic state, so lets cheer up everytime we hear that one of them is down on the hands of Islam Knights in Iraq.


but i say save your swords and profissinal beheading techniques...don't use it on the contractors (who came to Iraq to suck its blood in my opinion) because they are simply unarmed and i believe we have a strict policy against targeting the unarmed enemy in Islam even if they were used as human shields (at least thats Imam Malik opinion).....it would have been a very nice touch if they just whipped Nick Berg 300 times or something and warned him not to step on Iraqi soil again

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Salaam Alaikum!


I won't bother responding to that polemicist urging Musilms to "denounce" Islam.


Brother Hazams, the problem with #3 is that it would ultimately lead to perpetual war, which no American that I know of is willing to accept. Certainly Saddam was a loathsome and vile man that needed to be dealt with--no doubt. But there are many of his kind, and it would take a significant amount of money and strength to eradicate them all.

[Hazams]

Yes, there are many of his kind, and I feel that each of them will be dealt with in time. The first thing we need though are leaders that are willing to risk the lives of his countrymen in order to free the people living in oppressed societies. Just think, if it were up to Chirac, Putin, and the rest of the bureaucrats in the U.N., Saddam would still be in power cutting the heads off of women and children who simply want the basic human rights that they are entitled to.

[Qutuz]

well..Caliph Al Moa`tism Billah was a bad person too and so Ibn Al Alqalmi decided to seek the help of a foreign power to overthrow the bad bad bad caliph...and at last he found the one who will <i>liberate</i> Iraq from the bad bad bad caliph....Hulaqo!!....who killed 2 million Iraqi Muslims in 40 days.


off topic question..how many Iraqi was killed by Americans so far?? 1000? 2000? 3000?? i'm dying to know the answer!!

[Hazams]

qutuz..it's roughly 10,000

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Salaam Alaikum!


Forgive my tardiness, sister Musilmah. I've currently been moving at the moment and I haven't been able to set up my computer at home. Though, I want to reply to your questions if I may.


1. I live in the United States of America. So: I do not currently live under an occupation of any sort.


2. I share your sympathy with suffering Muslims worldwide. However, the alternative does not have to be armed struggle for "every" action. The Palestinians are living under occupation but need not to carry out nihilistic terror attacks on innocent civilians. Such undermines their rhetoric and directs judgement right back on them, does it not? It's not like the Israeli's are preventing them from making Salat, confiscating Qurans, or forcing Musilmah's to remove hijabs. So why does the alternative have to be devoid of sympathy or compassion? Why must Islam always be on the defensive? Fight oppression with rhetoric and reason.


I have two points. First, our first ambition is Islam. Everything else is within the realm of Islam. If we are to bring forth the fruits of Islam we must snuff out the "blind" eye that causes us not to see.


Secondly, the real "occupiers" are the fundamentalists*. They've sanctioned thought, denied simple rights to women, caused non-Muslims harm of proportions that I don't even have time to cite, and reduced Islam to nothing more than a mere political ideology. Those avid freaks are the "Sharons" of the Muslim world. As far as I can recount, the only one to deny Muslims anything of Islam was the fundamentalists, not Israel. They impinge on our thoughts and bandy those who don't conform to their Islam "westoxificated" Muslims. I'm tired of making concessions for them by sidestepping attention to Israel or the USA. Their agenda is to literally push the clock back on us Muslims and mold us into medieval thinking drones. Ever since they've taken hold of "Islamic knowledge," we're not equipped to deal with issue's such as epistemology, philosophy, theology, cosmology or any other "ology" you can think of. There's a whirlpool of debates and dialogues on the "origin of the universe." Thanks to the "all-knowing" fundamentalists, Islam has contributed absolutely nothing to the debates. How on earth can we expect non-Muslims to give Islam a stint of consideration when Islam is not even apart of serious debates and discussions? The ultimate consequence, of course, is an outdated mode of thinking and a mechanical Islam that has nothing but rote believers in which Islam plays little relevance in the "real" world. The days of mere assertions like..."I am Muslim, hear my roar".... are out, and the days of the ability to reason and argue are in.


My gist is to repudiate fundamentalism and its bastard offspring "terrorism". By doing so we can open up Islam and allow it to gain conscious on Muslims. An Islamic state where Islam is relevant and discussed without fear. Where Muslim intellectuals can engage in dialogue with non-Muslims about the above "ologies" and offer an Islamic perspective on things. It would be a place where Muslims and non-Muslims can live together, in harmony, in one state. This, I know, is the dream for all Muslims. But the road to it is hard and will be long fought. Only through a long and difficult introspection will the road to victory be clear.


*I used the term "fundamentalism without defining it. I do not believe in "fundamentalism" because I don't believe terrorists are retorting to anything "fundamental". Since my subject is hard to locate outside of the term fundamentalism, I have chosen to label them such.


--Ibn