A Statement On The Beheading!

[abeer]

I have yet to see how this relates to Berg. Is there any evidence that he was one of the contractors conspiring to execute, rape and torture prisoners?

1# yes he's a jew isn't he ? and why would a jew go to iraq( all time enemy land) risking his life ??!!


2# is there any evidence that says the opposite ?


we have got to wake up and smell the stinking smell of our reality.


US ARMY, GOV. and those who cooperate with them would do every thing to harm our religion and our muslim brothers and sisters .. they are stealing our resources ..


israelies have stolen thousands of books ..


mosad killed more than 200 iraqi scientests


US striked mosques, universites schools , hospitals factories libraries museums etc..


only oil locations were reserved..


they arrested hundreds of thousands iraqies :- men women children..


they won't accept the red cross to search and see after the arrested


they torture kill rape abuse thousand of iraqies and afghanis


for the love of allah wake up .


there is a conspiracy whether you want to believe or not.


it won't make any diffrence


iraq was one of the most civilised and advantaged countries.


the war and the invasion and the occupation , the lies about WMD , links with osama bin laden and 9-11 ..... all lies to justify their criminal acts.


they are a group of terrorists who accuse any one who stands against them of terrorism.

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

as salam alykom
Ibn I think u r not also getting what we are trying to say here, try re reading my post at least.


U decided to judge the death of one person, rather than looking into military forces occupying I would not say Muslim land. Just any land, what do u expect of the native people. That is if the beheading is happening. why all people look at the symptoms, discuss the consequences without giving much concern to the cause of the problem? why dont u as an american, and other american muslims rather than condemning the beheading, simply put pressure on the government to withdraw from Iraq... I would not even mention Palsetine here, it is totally an independant situation.


Ibn re think to yourself, I experienced u to be more logical than this.

Salaam Alaikum


I am certainly adamant that I have clear hindsight of who I'm condemning; no bones about that. My sole condemnation goes to those bloody behead-o-philes who make mockery of Islam by avenging the imprisonment of the Al-Qaeda members with the treacherous decapitation of Paul Johnson, along with others. My berating tone is by no means a congratulation of the military occupation in Iraq, nor is it a unitary effort to "minimize" what went (goes) on there. I, like a significant percentage of Americans, avidly protested the war on Iraq and continue to do so with “unfatiguable” effort. Nonetheless, as deeply concerned Muslim, I am grossly disturbed--nay horrified and sick-- that these men (women?) took the life of an innocent man while in the same vein claim to be relinquishing justice for Islam.


Again, we Muslims must be unequivocal in our rhetoric and lash out at the injustice that is done in the name of our faith. Funny, we can condemn Israel, America, and Britain for their transgression--but when butchery is done in the name of Islam by fellow Muslims, we play a deflection game and retort to the infinitive logic of victimhood (Had it not been for the colonizing West and the amoral Zionists we’d be a great religion once more).


Mere silence will do nothing, and to perpetuate the silence is to forever misunderstand the gravity of such an offense. Don’t wait for <i>others</i> to condemn the acts. Beyond Ariel Sharon, George Bush, Tony Blair and Co. <i>others</i> are willing to paint a happy face on anything and everything as if nothing happened at all. Lets be Muslims and take the initiative ourselves to condemn the acts for what they were and make something worthy out of the Muslim religion. It is our duty and obligation to exterminate terrorism unflinchingly wherever it rears its audacious and loathsome head. That, my friends, is the way of a true Muslim.


--Ibn

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Jihad – The Misperceptions


Abrar Akbar


The novelist Tom Clancy, while commenting on the events of September 11, once remarked, “it is simply ridiculous to talk of “Islamic” terrorists, the media’s favourite epithet. These people don’t act because of their religion; it’s because they are fools”.


He was not very far from the truth. No religion, least of all Islam, condones terrorism or endorses indiscriminate violence. Offending this might be to certain factions; I would dare to aver that the suicidal path being followed by some and favoured by many among our brethren, for highlighting Muslim resentment, is utterly counter-productive and doomed to create more problems than it would ever solve.


It would be unfair to mistrust the dedication and valour of the jihadis but the lack of peripheral vision renders them incapable of anticipating the unfavourable consequences or unintended effects of their misperceived jihad. As a result, the self-appointed “defenders of Islam” are wreaking formidably more damage to Islam than serving its cause, with their do-first-think-later attitude and insular approach.


The bottom line is that to live gracefully is far more difficult than to die gallantly. To deliver a fearsome punishment to an aggressor is one thing, but to invite an armed conflict is sheer insanity. Without comprehending the wider implications of their fanciful agenda of hoisting the Islamic flag in New Delhi, Tel Aviv and Washington, these self-styled “soldiers of Allah” have become a major source of embarrassment for Muslims in the international arena.


I have full understanding and profound appreciation for the grievances of Muslims towards the West. No doubt, only through sheer dishonesty, a complete absence of empathy, biased perception of the facts and/or absolute lack of analytical prowess, can one deny the gravity and the genuineness of some, if not all, of these complaints. Reciprocating savagery will nevertheless lead nowhere. Like dogmatic theocracy.


At the same time, it would be self-deception to blame everything on the US and the Zionist lobby. It is equally important to realise that firstly most of our predicaments are of our own makings and secondly solution to them doesn’t squarely come from the barrel of gun. Demonising the West alone – that too without a whit of understanding of their socio-political structure -- is not only tantamount to denial but also hampers serious analysis of the underlying causes of the petrifaction and thereafter initiating astute handling of the intricacies being faced by the Ummah.


It would also be pertinent to note here that with the exception of the Palestinian armed struggle, to some extent the uprising in Kashmir and Chechnya and prior to the bombing of the American embassies in Africa, the prime target of the “holy warriors” had always been fellow MUSLIMS, under the pretext of “jihad”. Even in Afghanistan, jihad or no jihad, the sordid truth is that Afghans have been for the most part fighting fellow Afghans.


As a matter of fact, the intensity of dissension amongst Islamic states runs at least as deep, if not deeper than the hatred against infidels. Apropos, was it jihad, what we did in East Pakistan? Iran – Iraq war – over 1 million deaths -- was it a fight to salvage Islam? The Taliban waging “jihad” against other Afghan factions or the other way round -- all of them Muslims -- what was that? Sunnis maiming Shiites and vice versa, Deobandis slitting throats of Brevlis -- is it what holy war all about?


Without any exaggeration, during the last 40 years, over 80 per cent of the victims of so-called jihad, the world over, have been none but Muslims. Followers of Islam have in any case butchered 10 times more Muslims themselves than the number of faithful fallen to the aggression of unbelievers. It seems, we Muslims don’t need external rivals to slaughter us; we do it ourselves -- with enthusiasm.


[These scaled-down figures are retrieved from an article published by the leading Swedish morning newspaper “Dagens yheter” some three years back.]


Peculiarly, the political manipulation of Islam has resulted in a bizarre paradox where Islam is equally (mis)used by diametrically different groups for widely divergent ends. Sometimes it is justification for the state to curb demands for reforms and fundamental human rights -- cloaking it as a drive to contain Islamists -- as in Turkey, Egypt and Algeria, and at times Muslims are being deprived of every freedom in quest to “enforce” Islam like in Iran and Afghanistan under the Taliban.


Likewise, manifold more Muslims have been persecuted, “disappeared” and/or summarily executed at the behest of our own despotic “Islamic” regimes than all casualties inflicted upon us by our “enemies” put together. The bloody track record of Middle Eastern governments in general and dreadful Iraqi, Syrian & Iranian regimes in particular, would convincingly substantiate this assertion.


To be honest, the religion has become a tool in Muslim societies to fool people, to divert their attention from the real issues. ”Jihad hysteria”, not-so-seldom fomented by the official quarters to acquire cheap legitimacy for their autocratic rule, serves as a ready-made smoke screen to cover the failure of the state in delivering even the basic most necessities of life and to deflect the resulting anger.


Then, what a tragedy, not a single member state of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) can be pointed out where citizens enjoy comprehensive social and political rights? Similarly, across the Muslim world not a fraction of the civil, social and political rights -- explicitly stipulated by Islam -- can be taken as granted. Not even one nation, out of 56 members of the OIC, comes half the way vis-à-vis well-being of their residents compared with most of the non-Muslim Western countries tending their general public, (immigrant) Muslim communities included.


A newly arrived Pakistani refugees seeking asylum in the “kaafir” EU, that’s too usually on fabricated premises, even the scores of countrymen illegally residing and earning a living over there, (justifiably) feel more secure there than back home in “the land of the pure”. Their legal/social rights being taken care of in a far better manner than that of 2nd generation Pakistani Muslims born, brought up and ever since living there in “brotherly” Muslim Gulf emirates/kingdoms, or for that matter anywhere in the Muslim world.


Social equality might be a fundamental tenet of the theoretical Islam but virtually non-existent in all Muslim countries. Nowhere in the entire Muslim world, rule of the law runs supreme and/or judiciary independent enough and free of executive interference to deliver justice in a true sense. Consequently, hardly surprising, burgeoning Muslim male population with no outlet for dissent and debate is turning to radically militant Islam, but plausibly not a fault of others.


We must find time for some soul-searching, self-reflection, honest introspection and the courage to speak out now. Without addressing the internecine problems of the Ummah, upholding the spiritual vision of Islam and safeguarding the grand religious heritage of our great faith, we are damned to fail. It is imperative to be clear about the difference between vice and virtue. Jettisoning Islam’s most salient attributes i.e., mercy, peace, equality, compassion, duty and moral perfection for secondary obligations and superficial rituals will (if not already have) shatter the very foundation of Muslim societies.


The emphasis on armed struggle alone is to interpret jihad in its narrowest sense leaving aside other superior forms of the concept. By the way, why shouldn’t we start with a jihad against tyranny, persecution and repression within our frontiers first? Ignorance, bigotry, social injustices and poverty are the agonies ought to be urgently obliterated (or at least alleviated) among us before we take on external foes.


It is preposterous that head-on collision with the West is a more urgent task for the “guardians of Islam” than the plight of the majority of faithful living under abject poverty and despair. It would be scarcely a hyperbole to assert that quite a few exploit certain (dubious) religious interpretations merely to camouflage various personal as well as collective misdeeds/shortcomings.


One really wonders, why can’t we strive to move forward, instead of craving to put the clock back? Instead of incessantly revelling in our distant glorious past, it is time to come to terms with present day realities. Sagacious grading of the priorities, a bit horizon broadening and re-alignment of the long-term objectives, not more drum-beating or emotional rhetoric, would steer us out of the mess.


In the age of the information revolution, nations are as inter-dependent as they are independent. It would be a fatal miscalculation to assume that crude violence and capricious militancy, sans an effective political strategy, could benefit Islam in any sense.


Therefore, the propensity for violence has to be replaced with the zeal to make progress in social, cultural and academic sectors. Frankly speaking, before ensuring a decent living standard for our peoples and eradicating social disparities, I am not willing to be a part of any jihad exclusively meant to destroy the US or for that reason any other nation state.


Our penchant to consider social, cultural and intellectual diversity as a threat bodes ill for our abilities to meet the space-age challenges. Undeniably, the salvation of the Muslim Ummah rests in producing Noble laureates not suicide bombers. Only by recognizing that the long-term dividends of emulating the MIT, Harvard & Oxford exponentially surpass that of the “Jihad Academies” at Khost, Muridke or Akora Khattak, we can make progress. Metaphorically, construction of the Petronas Towers, Kuala Lumpur, not the demolition of the World Trade Centre, should be the line of attack to counter Western hegemonic designs.


Imagine the results, if we could divert our energy and passion towards weeding out umpteen social evils we are suffering of, and pool our immense resources for education, health care for the poor and overall reformation of the Muslim societies. What a pity, “jihad-e-akbar” i.e. to improve oneself has taken the backseat for not-so-negligible number of the Muslims.


While the West too must heed the legitimate recriminations of the Muslim world for accomplishing viable peace, the Ummah has also got to do its part of the job to come out of this morass. Blindly accusing the so-called foreign hand for all of the debacles, all the times, is at best a naïve attempt to wangle (false) alibis and at worst an imbecility akin to doggerel, insulting the reader`s intelligence.


"Where all think alike, no one thinks very much."


- Walter Lippmann

[abeer]

To JohnDoe:-


muslims are responsible of islam indeed, but it's those satanists like G.W. bush who are trying to destroy it by any means possible.


it's a fact and you can see the evidence of it : EVERY WHERE ON DAILY BASIS.


but don't you worry about ISLAM.


it's in good hands ....... in ALLAH's HANDS.


and no matter what you write JohnDoe about islam it's still is the right,most truthful and the strongest religion ever and forever.


and i really hope from the bottom of my heart that every man and a woman in the whole wide world give ISLAM a real chance, think about islam with no prior stored thoughts, buy a copy of qura'an just read it like any other book ...


who knows what'll happen !!


may god guide us all by his mercy to the right path.


====================================


TO BROTHER Ibn:-


Say no for killing civilians, say no for torture, say no for stealing, say no for raping, say no for ending acivilization, say no for occupation, say no for the unjust and double standards world, but >>>


DON'T SAY NO FOR FIGHTING BACK ALL OF THE ABOVE.


this is not a war between two equals...


there is no iraqi army that fights for freedom and even for a decent life.


those are civilians who commited these beheadings that you don't accept.


they are taking reveng for our raped muslim sisters, our killed brothers our infants, our dignity, our bride, our rights our stolen land, oil,money


they have the right to take thier revenge from the us army and the coalition and anyone who sided aided supported agreed benefited from them.


=========paul marshal========


i suggest that you read my earlier post regarding this man.


who is now between the hands of allah all mighty, and he'll take his punishment make no doubt about that.


allah all mighty promised him and his likes hell forever.


wa asslaum alaykum wa rahmat allah wa barakatoh

[Hazams]

<b>muslims are responsible of islam indeed, but it's those satanists like G.W. bush who are trying to destroy it by any means possible.</b>


The war in Iraq was and is a just war. Just in the late 80's Saddam Huseein killed over 180,000 of his own countrymen. Over a hundred Iraqi women were beheaded in 2000-2001. He was an animal that needed to be tamed (and soon to be killed for that matter).


<b>it's a fact and you can see the evidence of it : EVERY WHERE ON DAILY BASIS.</b>


but don't you worry about ISLAM.


it's in good hands ....... in ALLAH's HANDS.


Prove it


<b>and no matter what you write JohnDoe about islam it's still is the right,most truthful and the strongest religion ever and forever.</b>


and i really hope from the bottom of my heart that every man and a woman in the whole wide world give ISLAM a real chance, think about islam with no prior stored thoughts, buy a copy of qura'an just read it like any other book ...


Yes, I am sure if more people see quotes such as the following that I will present, that they will logically feel inclined to devote their life to Islam.


[2.193] And fight with them until there is no


persecution, and religion should be only for Allah


[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they


have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike;


therefore take not from among them friends until they fly


(their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then


seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take


not from among them a friend or a helper.


[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not


having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's


way with their property and their persons are not equal


[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers


for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that


you should give to Allah a manifest proof against


yourselves?


[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the


Christians for friends; they are friends of each other;


and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then


surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the


unjust people.


[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more


persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if


they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.


[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then


slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them


captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in


every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and


pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely


Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the


poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith


[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in


the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His


Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of


truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until


they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and


they are in a state of subjection.


[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and


the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah;


these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the


saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy


them; how they are turned away!


[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and


the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail


over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.


[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers


who are near to you and let them find in you hardness;


and know that Allah is with those who guard (against


evil).


<b>who knows what'll happen !!</b>


may god guide us all by his mercy to the right path.


You can't guide yourself? Awwww, poor baby

[spider]

1# yes he's a jew isn't he ? and why would a jew go to iraq( all time enemy land) risking his life ??!!


2# is there any evidence that says the opposite ?

Asalaamu alaikum,


Really, I can't believe what I am reading. If you accuse someone of something the onus is on *you* to provide the evidence to support your accusation. I could accuse you of being one of Berg's "cohorts". Please provide evidence that you are not.

we have got to wake up and smell the stinking smell of our reality.


US ARMY, GOV. and those who cooperate with them would do every thing to harm our religion and our muslim brothers and sisters .. they are stealing our resources ..


israelies have stolen thousands of books ..


mosad killed more than 200 iraqi scientests


US striked mosques, universites schools , hospitals factories libraries museums etc..


only oil locations were reserved..


they arrested hundreds of thousands iraqies :- men women children..


they won't accept the red cross to search and see after the arrested


they torture kill rape abuse thousand of iraqies and afghanis


for the love of allah wake up .


there is a conspiracy whether you want to believe or not.


it won't make any diffrence


iraq was one of the most civilised and advantaged countries.


the war and the invasion and the occupation , the lies about WMD , links with osama bin laden and 9-11 ..... all lies to justify their criminal acts.


they are a group of terrorists who accuse any one who stands against them of terrorism.

I do not disagree with you that the war is totally unjustifiable, that there are acts committed by the Mossad, the American government & others against our Muslim brothers and sisters. But that doesn't mean we should act in the same way, should it? We are Muslims, our code of conduct is the Qur'an and the sunnah - we don't hold the kafirs' actions as justification for doing exactly the same thing to them.


When did America become a role model for Muslims?


If you cannot see that just because I condemn the beheadings does not mean I am pro-America or pro-war or anti-ummah then really there is no point continuing & this will be my last communication with you in this thread.


May Allah guide us all.


-spider

[spider]

Spider u r asking what would u be fighting for? La ilaha ila Allah, isnt this enough to fight for? being Australian, american or whatever.

Asalaamu alaikum,


Yes, sister but who are my enemies here? The Americans or the terrorists? I think both.

Being in jeopardy to die? well we all will some way or the other but dying in Jihad is favourable isnt it? Let alone that I didnt tell u go and take a gun, I simply said let us dedicate our efforts in the correct way. Cannt u see our efforts and attention are diverted. I dont know how to explain this more, really I think used many styles of writing and rephrased it.


We need to focus on how to share our fellow Muslims their struggle. Cannt u see this is an unprecedented chance for all of us to really fight in the name of Allah.

Ok, tell me what you are doing to share the struggle and inshaAllah we will follow your example.

Are u getting my point and u still didnt answer my question, r u living under occupation or anyother person here. or all of us sitting comfrotable in front of TVs then comping to computers, taking forums as a chance for all of us to write and write and write and write. Many of us wanted to do so for a reason or the other, not judging the intention here. But shall we really do something frutiful that may testify for un on the Day of Judgment or just to satisfy non Muslims we must say yes I condemn.

No, I have not lived under occupation and I really don't see what that has to do with people beheading non-combatants. If I was under the situation of being under occupation, I am sure I would be fighting but I would be fighting the SOLDIERS. What I am against is Muslims who proclaim to be acting according to shariah or for Allah's cause and yet what they do is totally AGAINST the cause.


Goodness, if you believe I am condemning the actions just to satisfy the kafir then you are sadly mistaken. I am angry and I condemn the actions because it is wrong, because these people claim to speak for me, for my religion. Someone else in another post asked why are Muslims the only ones to act in the right way (I'm paraphrasing here). The answer is : WE ARE MUSLIM! I don't expect any compassion from the American government, from the Mossad, from the Israelis because their code of conduct is not Qur'an or Sunnah. I expect a great deal more from Muslims because they are representing my religion and supposedly representing the truth.

<b>and if u can add on how people can help in this because the situation is really gettingn serious.  can u see what I mean Spider????????</b>

I am eagerly awaiting some suggestions of how I can help inshaAllah.


-spider

[abeer]

to Hazams:-

you still buyin that lie !





i advice you to log on to cnn.com go to the 9\11 video section watch all the videos


you'll see the proof that US jet's striked the wtc with missiles - really i'm telling you the truth. when playing the video frame by frame you'll see small very fast jet's kinda like those NASA's developing.


some other time i'll post it here with all info. and pics.




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but don't you worry about ISLAM.


it's in good hands ....... in ALLAH's HANDS.


Prove it

i don't have to prove the sky is blue, it's obvious

Yes, I am sure if more people see quotes such as the following that I will present, that they will logically feel inclined to devote their life to Islam.


[2.193] And fight with them until there is no


persecution, and religion should be only for Allah

it's about mecca and madina, this order doesn't include the civilians it's about kuffar - arabs that fought mohammed in beginning of islam- after years of killing and tourtring weak muslims in mecca .

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they


have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike;


therefore take not from among them friends until they fly


(their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then


seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take


not from among them a friend or a helper.

again about the arab disbelivers at that time -notice (their homes) - and again they were the ones who fought islam in the beginning!

[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not


having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's


way with their property and their persons are not equal

yes that's so true, EXAMPLE:- your country is under danger, those who fight for their country are patriots and logically they are in better grade than those who didn't fight.


well .. this ayah is all about that = the same situation!

[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers


for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that


you should give to Allah a manifest proof against


yourselves?

we can have a mutual respectful realtionship as long as they didn't attack us or occupy us ...


as long as they don't talk ill of our religion and our prophit


let me ask you a question:- can you be friends with someone that beats you, call you names and makes fun of you intentionally ?


NO, so how about someone who does more than that.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the


Christians for friends; they are friends of each other;


and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then


surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the


unjust people.


[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more


persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if


they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.


[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then


slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them


captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in


every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and


pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely


Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the


poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith


[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in


the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His


Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of


truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until


they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and


they are in a state of subjection.


[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and


the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah;


these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the


saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy


them; how they are turned away!


[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers


who are near to you and let them find in you hardness;


and know that Allah is with those who guard (against


evil).

al humdu lilah


remeber allah - god- created us all... he ordered us to believe in him - one and only-


he sent prophet's and teachings .. but people refuse to obey their MASTER.


christians say jesus is the son of god , but jesus said i am the son of man.


jews killed their prophets refused their teachings they even tried to kill jesus and mohammed ..!


so when a the all mighty king order but his servents refuse to deliver he get's his revenge ..


even muslims - by name or birth- who don't obey the orders are unbelivers !


because if they believed truly they'd obey.


so i can understand this situation ,, and you should too


GOD DIDN'T CREAT US JUST TO HAVE FUN, WE BELONG TO HIM, HE IS THE KING THAT WE SHALL OBEY..


HE GAVE US ALL THAT WE NEED AND WANT... WE SHOULDN'T BE SO UNGRATFUL AND GO WORSHIP SOMEONE ELSE .


so when some of his people don't follow his orders this KING sends his soldiers to punish them.


and even if his soldiers happen to refuse orders as well, he'll send other soldiers to punish the first soldiers.


because islam is all about justice:- no racism, no god's sons. no chosen ones.


you're a muslim if you worship allah - god - the one and only and do good deeds.


and for your information allah ordered muslims not to fight the christians and jews unless they begin first.


[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and


the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail


over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

who knows what'll happen !!


may god guide us all by his mercy to the right path.


You can't guide yourself? Awwww, poor baby 

<b>Yes my brother in humanity, indeed i can't guide my self nor can you ... we all are poor , for allah is the one who guide us all and he is the rich one.</b>

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[abeer]

to brother Spider:-

I do not disagree with you that the war is totally unjustifiable, that there are acts committed by the Mossad, the American government & others against our Muslim brothers and sisters. But that doesn't mean we should act in the same way, should it? We are Muslims, our code of conduct is the Qur'an and the sunnah - we don't hold the kafirs' actions as justification for doing exactly the same thing to them.

i can't understand this :-


if iraqies fight back = it's terrorism


and even somw muslims think so !?!


who said berg was a civilian ?? he was a contractor supporting US in their occupation. so he's not a civilian . it's so simple.

When did America become a role model for Muslims?

it never did , even in those situations - occupation and all that come with it - HAVE YOU SEEN Oprah show about few soldiers that were kidnapped by iraqies.?


there was a black woman among them that said on the show: thank god i was lucky, they treated me well. not like the guys.


and when Oprah asked one soldier about the treatment of the kidnappers he said that he's still under theropy and having a hard time and told the most horrifying incident :-


i was eye blinded when aman investigated me, i wasn't giving him anythin then he - kidnapper- threatned me and aimed a gun to my forehead it was horrifying , suddnely he pulled the trigger >>> and i thought i'm never gonna see my family again..


but thank god it was empty he-kidnapper- was just torturing me!


end of story.


YOU SEE SPIDER HOW IRAQIES TORTURE THIER HOSTAGES.

If you cannot see that just because I condemn the beheadings does not mean I am pro-America or pro-war or anti-ummah then really there is no point continuing & this will be my last communication with you in this thread.


May Allah guide us all.


-spider

Yes my brother i see your point but i can't accept it .... how can i .... it's hard for me and for all of us who are near iraq .. we see and hear of things you don't even imagine in your wildest nightmares.


imagine your daughter or sister being raped infront of you - allah forbidd- by 5 american soldiers and some filthy iraqi spies .... one after another !!! how will you react to any one that sides the occupation responsible of this .


this is a true story that happened many times -diffrent names though-


i ask you to put your self in thier shoes ...


and remeber allah ordered us to fight them and as long as they're killing us we shall kill them.


that's justice.


and if i harmed you in any way, i opolgize ... and i respect your decision about not communicating with me.


no hard feelings what so ever from my side..


wa assalam alykum wa rahmat allah wa barakatoh

[abeer]

to JohnDoe:-


i appreciate your last comment.


and by god's well you'll see the right path .


and i hope to god that when you see it ... you'll follow it.


peace