A Statement On The Beheading!

[abeer]

no Ibn his death is pretty much justified .. simply because he apposed allah and islam by contributing vitally in the war against islam and muslims.


allah said in his holy quraan :-


((fight them ( THE enemy ) allah tortures them by your hands and by the hands of the believers .))


and beware Ibn not to back the wrong side here.. you don't want to end up a hypocrate .. my brother i ask of you to think deeply about this incident, i can understand the kind of struggle that you're in beeing a muslim and an american in the same time.. but you have got to draw a line and rearrange your priorities :-


ISLAM comes first .


Not all a mericans are bad guys we all know that.


Not all iraqies or muslims are are good guys we all know that too.


the thing is paul Marshal was one of the bad guys.. and allah knows best


don't you think that muslims have the right to take revenge from their enemy


US ARMY AND EVERY ONE SUPPORTING THEM OR HELPING THEM ON THEIR WAR AGAINST ISLAM ARE APPOSING ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET.


read this ayah carefully:-


<b>((Allah has decreed: "Verily! It is I and My Messengers who shall be the victorious. Verily, Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty. You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Rûh from Himself
. And We will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be the successful. [TMQ 58:20-22] </b>


MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL

[Muslimah]

I would like to add a point here for all of us on this thread and similar thread, muslim or non muslim. Do u know how it is to live under occupation? No most of us here simply talk according to academic or intellecutual background, using own mental capabilities to analyze and discuss and then even judge which is a major issue. I think my Muslim brothers and sisters understand what I mean.


If u never experienced what it is to live under occupation then dont contribute your input here because u do so through theoritical rather than practical experience. I tried to rephrase my comment for more clarification.


Egypt was once occupied for over 80 years by the Brits, resistence groups gave them hell until they were out. They did terrify them in the streets. was this illegitimate? of course yes.

[Muslimah]

abeer, just in an effort to clarify Ibn's viewpoint to u, what he is stating is that the act of beheading itself must be done on basis on a trial and judgement through an authorized ruler. This is his point.


And I am trying to tell everyone including Ibn. that we Muslims get busy with such incidents calling for condemnation and ignoring the necessity for us all to unite and go for Jihad. Dont u think so Ibn, why dont u try and gear your effort in this direction. Dont u think it is time for all of us to share the Iraqi war, or shall we just continue sitting, watching news, going to chat rooms looking for condemnation. Fine it is barbaric and not Islamic.


<b>Ok let us do the Islamic </b>



Ibn I admire much Mash a Allah your organized thoughts. Let us dedicate this correctly, Let us launch a campaign from here, an organized one.


Let us do it for Allah Ibn and all muslims.


Let us stop putting emphasis on this and re organize our thought on the correct direction. Ibn what is raping our religion really is our focus our priority. Let us do it right. What do u think??? waiting for your input......hope I explained my point well enough for u to communicate with me.

[spider]

Berg the american civilian : a contractor in iraq
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:-


WASHINGTON (AP) - <b>An unusual racketeering lawsuit filed by human rights lawyers accuses U.S. civilian contractors at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq of conspiring to execute, rape and torture prisoners to boost corporate profits from military payments.</b>

<rest snipped for brevity>


Asalaamu alaikum,


The amount of cruelty and inhumanity that is going on in this war is very depressing to say the least. The consolation for those who fear God is that He will punish those who commit these unspeakable acts of degradation.


Having said that, I have yet to see how this relates to Berg. Is there any evidence that he was one of the contractors conspiring to execute, rape and torture prisoners?


Again, if he *was*, why did his murderers forget to mention that before they cut his head off? I am still unaware of any other reason than that his murder was a revenge killing for the torture of the Iraqi prisoners.


Sister abeer, you are completely missing my point. Any evidence that you bring forth is really moot - what I am trying to get you to understand is that the terrorists themselves said that they were killing him because he was American and it was revenge against the torture of Muslim prisoners.


Now, can you tell me, is this the way that our beloved Prophet (may peace and endless blessings be upon him) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them) fought in war?


-spider

[Muslimah]

No spider it is not the way to fight ok, although I really prefer to leave judgement to Allah. what is the way to fight? shall we remain just silent and moan for those acts nothing more? shall we just condemn and feel depressed nothing more. or shall we as I requested act more and try to be more effective in an Islamic manner what do u think????and u never answered my question, did u live under occupation?????????????????????????????????????


You are condemning the act and not providing the alternative. Can u get my point.


<b>Let us work it out Spider together with all the other Muslim members, we can at least do this on the web if we can not fight physically. let us inform the people, try to rally people, call Muslim wealth to contribute in the proper fashion, we can do a lot rather than watching the news and feeling sick about it. Right....
</b>


I can think of few suggestions:


1. Muslims can hold seminars and workshops in their respective local communities raising fund to really prepare people for Jihad.


2. Muslims in foreign countries can also hold seminars and workshop, call renowned speakers to highlight rulings of the situation and necessity of Jihad at the moments.


3. Muslims rather than criticising their fellow Muslims for their mistakes, which even the old Mujahdeen may have committed just exactly as Spider quoted the hadeeth, it means nothing but a companion making a mistake, to see practical means for help.


4. Anyone has more ideas???? let us see

[Abunuran]

Sahih Muslim.


Book 1. Faith.


Book 001, Hadith Number 0079.


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Chapter : Concerning the facts that Interdiction against abominable is a part of Faith, that Faith increases and diminishes; enjoining that which is good and for bidding that which is abominable are obligatory(acts).


It is narrated on the authority of Tariq b. Shihab: It was Marwan who initiated (the practice) of delivering khutbah (address) before the prayer on the 'Id day. A man stood up and said: Prayer should precede khutbah. He (Marwan) remarked, This (practice) has been done away with. Upon this Abu Sa'id remarked: <b>This man has performed (his duty) laid on him</b>. I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.



Book 001, Hadith Number 0081.


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Chapter : Concerning the facts that Interdiction against abominable is a part of Faith, that Faith increases and diminishes; enjoining that which is good and for bidding that which is abominable are obligatory(acts).


It is narrated on the authority 'Abdullah b. Mas'ud that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: Never a Prophet had been sent before me by Allah towards his nation who had not among his people (his) disciples and companions who followed his ways and obeyed his command. Then there came after them their successors who said whatever they did not practise, and practised whatever they were not commanded to do. He who strove against them with his hand was a believer: he who strove against them with his tongue was a believer, and he who strove against them with his heart was a believer and beyond that there is no faith even to the extent of a mustard seed. Abu Rafi' said: I narrated this hadith to 'Abdullah b. 'Umar; he contradicted me. There happened to come 'Abdullah b. Mas'ud who stayed at Qanat, and 'Abdullah b 'Umar wanted me to accompany him for visiting him(as 'Abdullah b. Mas'ud was ailing), so I went along with him and as we sat (before him) I asked Ibn Mas'ud about this hadith. He narrated it in the same way as I narrated it to Ibn 'Umar.



Islam is being attacked from every side, even the hypocrites have come out from hiding to attack Islam.


This is a very critical time to every Mumin out there, we all have to fight this, physically, verbally, and the least is within your heart, but you must do something.


Al-Imran


[29] Say: "Whatever ye hide what is in your hearts or reveal it, Allah knows it all: He knows what is in the heavens, and what is on earth. And Allah has power over all things.



[140] If a wound hath touched you, be sure a similar wound hath touched the others. Such days (of varying fortunes) we give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those that believe, and that He may take to Himself from your ranks martyr-witnesses (to Truth). And Allah loveth not those that do wrong.


[141] Allah's object also is to purge those that are true in Faith and to deprive of blessing those that resist Faith.


<b>[142] Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without Allah testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause) and remained steadfast?</b>


At-Touba


[16] Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.



Al-Ankabout


[3] We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.



[4] Do those who practise evil think that they will get the better of Us? Evil is their judgment!


[5] For those whose hopes are in the meeting with Allah (in the Hereafter, let them strive); for the Term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming: and He hears and knows (all things).


[6] And if any strive (with might and main), they do so for their own souls: for Allah is free of all needs from all creation.


[10] Then there are among men such as say: "We believe in Allah"; but when they suffer affliction in (the cause of) Allah, they treat men's oppression as if it were the Wrath of Allah! And if help comes (to thee) from thy Lord, they are sure to say, "We have (always) been with you!" Does not Allah know best all that is in the hearts of all Creation?


[11] And Allah most certainly knows those who believe, and as certainly those who are Hypocrites.


This a test from Allah (SWT) for all of us, so ask yoursleves what are you going to do?? Will you succeed the test or fail it??


I have seen this happening all over the net, and I have seen people who are failing the test and I have seen peple who are striving to fight in Allah cause wa Al-Hamdu ll'Allah.


Read those Ayat and Ahadith again and decide for yourself, it's up to you, fail or succeed you will get what you deserve.

[Abunuran]

Saudi envoy's Zionist claims 'are offensive'


The Saudi ambassador to London has reinforced controversial claims by the kingdom's royal family of a link between "Zionists" and recent al-Qaeda terror attacks in the country.


In a television interview, to be broadcast today, Prince Turki al-Faisal is asked about comments made by Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia's de facto leader, that "Zionist hands" have been behind the attacks.


The ambassador replies: "When you're under attack by people who come and kill your countrymen and visitors to your country, and you see at the same time an attack on the kingdom from the outside, from Zionist circles, it is natural to make a connection."


He declined to expand on his remarks yesterday but his comments were condemned by Lord Janner of Braunstone, the former Labour MP. "In my view it is highly offensive and he must realise that the statement is totally unfounded."


"No terrorism serves the interests of Zionism. The allegation by the Crown Prince was rubbish and he must know that."


Prince Abdullah made his original remarks when he addressed a conference of leading Saudi officials and academics last month after an attack on contractors at the Yanbu oil facility that left six Westerners - including two Britons - dead.


"Zionism is behind it," he said. "It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. It is not 100 per cent, but 95 per cent that Zionist hands are behind what happened."


In his interview today, Prince Turki contends that Saudi Arabia has been subjected to concerted attacks by "so-called 'experts' with Zionist connections" for 50 years, and particularly since the terror atrocities of September 11, 2001.


"Is it beyond any comprehension or understanding that such attacks come at us from the Zionists on one side and from al-Qaeda on the other side and not make connection between them?" he asked.


The ambassador also says that the families of victims of terror attacks committed in Saudi Arabia, including Westerners, can still insist on the death penalty for their killers under Islamic sharia law, despite the offer of a state amnesty to terrorists who surrender in the next month.


He insists that the regime is doing everything it can to root out terrorists and rejects claims that the Saudi royal family's days are numbered.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html

[spider]

No spider it is not the way to fight ok, although I really prefer to leave judgement to Allah.

I'm not asking you to judge anything, but thank you for agreeing with me.

what is the way to fight? shall we remain just silent and moan for those acts nothing more?  shall we just condemn and feel depressed nothing more. or shall we as I requested act more and try to be more effective in an Islamic manner what do u think????and u never answered my question, did u live under occupation?????????????????????????????????????

We are supposed to fight in the way that our Prophet fought. I am not asking anyone to JUST "moan" about the beheading - the reason I am speaking about the beheading is this is what the topic is about. Just because one condemns the beheading doesn't mean we don't condemn the coalition occupation, or the injustices committed by the coalition forces.


Sure, I would love to go for Jihad, but tell me, as an Australian citizen, who am I fighting for and who are my enemies? I am surely going to be a target for the terrorists. It seems they don't believe this is a war on Islam as they are quite happy to kill Muslims. So, I suppose it's either an unspecified time in Guantanamo or my head chopped off.

You are condemning the act and not providing the alternative. Can u get my point.

If Muslims are living under oppressive rule, or occupation by enemies of Islam, then they are obliged to fight until they are no longer under oppression, <b>providing there is no danger of fitnah</b>. If there is that danger, then they are to practise sabr. How much longer until a new Iraqi government is in power? The Iraqi people practised sabr for goodness knows how long under the tyranny of Saddam Hussein..what is a few months more?


Before anyone accuses me of supporting this war, I was opposed to it completely and utterly. Of course it was out of my hands, and the hands of many Australians who rallied against Australia sending troops.

<b>Let us work it out Spider together with all the other Muslim members, we can at least do this on the web if we can not fight physically. let us inform the people, try to rally people, call Muslim wealth to contribute in the proper fashion, we can do a lot rather than watching the news and feeling sick about it. Right....
</b>

Yes, sister you are very right.


-spider

[Abunuran]

<b>'Al-Qaeda' is a Manufactured Intelligence Front
</b>


Kawther Salam | June 25 2004


During the past weeks, two American hostages have been killed and decapitated in Iraq and in Saudi Arabia. The media say that these crimes were comitted by Islamic Terrorists.


I have never read any Islamic Rule in the Koran which allows the decapitation of people whether they are Moslems, Christians or Jews, for any reason whatsoever.


I have never read an Islamic Rule which states that the killing of hostages is allowed. All what I remember that Islam has to say in this matter is that somebody who kills a “believer” unlawfully is sanctioned the same as if he had killed all the worlds nations. The word “believer” means "anyone who believes in God" in this context, not only Muslims.


The Koran states that the place where faith in God is held, and equally where the faith in God is broken, is in the heart. The Koran states that nobody can read what is in the hearts of others, or judge them as a believers or disbelievers. Even if their hearts are cut open, it is not possible to know if a person is a believer or not. Knowledge in this matter belongs only to God himself. This should be understood as meaning that Islam expressly forbids killing for religious reasons.


The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) recommended good treatment for hostages and prisoners during the past Islamic wars. He said: “You should not kill an old man, a child, or a woman. You should not cut a tree or destroy a church...”. Murdering and killing is outside of Islamic morals and principles, which are inviolable.


Seen from a more secular standpoint, an Arabic proverb says ”Nobody can cut the head of a person but his Creator”. This means again that nobody has the right to put an end to anothers life. While Islam expressly forbids suicide, it is still more acceptable to put an end to ones own life than to kill another person.


What does the word "Al-Qaeda" mean ? In Arabic, "Al-Qaeda" has a different meanings, among them “Base", "Ground", "Norm", "Rule", "Fundament", "Grammar". The exact meaning is dependent on the context in which it is used. It depends on the word which follows “Al-Qaeda” in the sentence. "Qawa'ad Askaria" is an Army Base, "Qawa'ad Lugha" stands for Grammar Rules (the Bases of Grammar).


"Qa'ada" is the infinitive of the verb "to sit". "Ma-Qa'ad" is a chair. "Al-Qaeda" is the base or fundament of something. "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word “Al-Qaeda” in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb “Qa'ada” which mean “to sit”, pertinently, on the “Toilet Bowl”. In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: “Al-Qaeda” also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or “Arab toilet” which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".


Those who founded the glorious "International of Islamic Terror, Al-Qaeda, probably knew too little about common use of Arabic language to know that by using this name for their organization, they risked becoming the laughing stock of everybody who speaks the Arabic "public" language.


To kidnap, torture and execute people are terrorist actions which are in no way related to God or to Islam, and these actions are not rewarded by paradise as some ignorant Western media figures would like to believe.


The terrorist event of New York 11 September 20001, and the terror event of Madrid on 11 March 2004, and other terror events commonly connected to Islam, are clearly not related to Islam if we consider that the Al-Qaeda terror organization was established by the C.I.A in the 1980s. Al-Qaeda is nothing but a conveniently "Islamic" front which enables the C.I.A. to commit crimes in the name of Muslims. It is well known that the Mujahadeen terrorists of Afghanistan were organized, trained and funded by the C.I.A. using the Pakistani ISI as a "cut-out" in order to lure the Soviet Army into Afghanistan at the end of 1979. The Mujahedeen can be seen as C.I.A. terrorism with an islamic name and "islamic" perpetrators. Afghanistan has, for all purposes, been destroyed by these fanatics in furtherance of American interests.


The Al-Qaeda terror organization has caused immense damage to Islam, to Moslems worldwide and to the interests of the peoples of all Arab and Muslim countries. The actions of Al-Qaeda have only served to promote the interests of the U.S. and Israel, which are clearly interested in "reshaping" the Middle East in such a way that they can more easily rape and plunder the region at will.


In fact the C.I.A is using the terrorist actions of its proxy Al-Qaeda in order to give the U.S. an excuse to extend their power into and invade the Arab countries, first countries with rich plunder (Oil) like Iraq, Iran, Saudia Arabia, and second any country which is a "threat" to Israel, or more exactly which Israel dislikes for whatever reason. The third objective for which the C.I.A. is using its proxy Al-Qaeda is to engender fear and hate of Islam and Muslims worldwide. This corresponds to an old and tried ploy of colonizers: to slander and denigrate the target population so that it is acceptable and even called for to commit genocide against them. The peoples of Ireland, Africa and the Americas have all suffered this tragedy, and these regions have been colonized. The next obvious victims are Arabs and Muslims by extension because they live in geographic areas rich in oil and other resources, and because Muslims as a collective are not white enough to be respected as full humans by the criminals in London, Washinton and Tel Aviv.


The immediate question is then: What purpose is the U.S pursuing in Saudi Arabia with the decapitation of Paul Johnson ? Is this crime related to their plans in the region in any way, or is it just one more sideshow related to the upcoming elections in the U.S. designed to distract the american public from some very embarassing information leaks which could endanger the reelection of President Bush ? Will there be a new decapitation every time something embarassing or dangerous for the Bush administration leaks to the media, in the same way as there was a very well timed suicide bomber in Israel every time Sharon would have otherwise been forced to make peace with the Palestinian side ? In a strange coincidence, the murder of Paul Johnson was made public last Thursday or Friday.


The pictures of Johnson's decapitation were widely shown in the mainstream media. At the same time, last Thursday, two American officers testified before the Commission investigating the 911 crime according to the article by Tom Fiocco linked above. This was conveniently ignored by the mainstream media. If the 911 Commission had chosen to ask these two officers hard questions related to the weirdness of that day, they could probably have been found more than just weirdness and chaos. A pertinent question would have been: could "Al-Qaeda", without the very opportune "weirdness" around the actions of these two officers, been able to kidnap and fly four airplanes for hours through the USA, to crash them into buildings in two separate cities ? Whatever the answer to this question, the two officers named in the linked article, Navy Captain Charles J. Leidig, Jr. and Brigadier General Montague Winfield have since been promoted by President Bush according to the article of Tom Fiocco.


A strange coincidence around the murder of Paul Johnson is that the Saudi Police apparently cooperated with those who abducted him. Why would a security service trained by American and British C.I.A. fronts like the Vinnell Corporation, cooperate with "Al-Qaeda", their purported enemy ? This is the second time during the last weeks that Saudi security forces have cooperated with "Al-Qaeda. If this starts happening regularly, it would suggest either a very grave instability in the Kingdom or that the Saudi security forces are run in accordance with American interests


And, why was the body of Paul Johnson, just like Nicholas Berg before him, clothed in an orange Guantanamo-style overall ? Does "Al-Qaeda" go shopping at Guantanamo Bay, or is there something else behind this "coincidence" ?


During the second Palestinian Intifada, the Israeli intelligence tried to create an "Al-Qaeda" organization in the West Bank and and Gaza using the American know-how and experience gained creating Al-Qaeda and Mr. Osama bin Ladin. The Israeli Intelligence services were using the damaged Palestinians economy to lure in unaware Palestinian youths. They provided several Palestinians with machine guns and thousands of dollars to kill Israelis under the name of Al-Qaeda. When the game was discovered by the Palestinians intelligence, the Israelis scurried away and stopped their disgusting "Al-Qaeda" game with Palestinians. Only last week the media carried news of an Israeli (not Palestinian) arrested in the Phillipines for being a member of "Al-Qaeda"


As an example of how different things can be when the USA wants, in April, 1992, the airplane of President Arafat made a forced landing in the desert during a trip between Lybia and Sudan. He was found almost instantly by Israel and America, and brought to safety on the next day. Why is the USA not able to find Osama bin Laden in the same way with all the resources they have ?


On behalf of my people I would like to say that we deny that the terror practices of Al-Qaeda represent Islam and Moslems in any way. We are against the instrumentalization of Islam and all Moslems by the C.I.A through their front organization Al-Qaeda. This disgusting criminal gang has already caused too much death and suffering for innocents of all creeds in many lands. We reject the Al-Qaeda announcement to killing innocents people under the name of Islam for revenge of the injustices comitted against Palestinians. We reject all Al-Qaeda practices as these crimes are against humanity. These crimes are all steered from Washington by the C.I.A. and they only represent U.S. policy.


http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2004/0...cturedfront.htm

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom Spider


first I made a reservation of preferring to leave judgement to Allah, and u say u didnt ask for judging. Then what is this thread is all about, people are trying to judge other peoples acts? one more point that I like to stress here is that really no one knows the truth, really, many things happended in the past couple of years, that one can never for sure if what is being aired or published is true. It is becoming a more like a media war and we better be careful. Again let us focus on how to act rather than having our attention diverted.


Spider u r asking what would u be fighting for? La ilaha ila Allah, isnt this enough to fight for? being Australian, american or whatever.


Being in jeopardy to die? well we all will some way or the other but dying in Jihad is favourable isnt it? Let alone that I didnt tell u go and take a gun, I simply said let us dedicate our efforts in the correct way. Cannt u see our efforts and attention are diverted. I dont know how to explain this more, really I think used many styles of writing and rephrased it.


We need to focus on how to share our fellow Muslims their struggle. Cannt u see this is an unprecedented chance for all of us to really fight in the name of Allah.


Are u getting my point and u still didnt answer my question, r u living under occupation or anyother person here. or all of us sitting comfrotable in front of TVs then comping to computers, taking forums as a chance for all of us to write and write and write and write. Many of us wanted to do so for a reason or the other, not judging the intention here. But shall we really do something frutiful that may testify for un on the Day of Judgment or just to satisfy non Muslims we must say yes I condemn.


Brother Abu Nuran, Mash aAllah your posts are very informative but can u clarify more how people are failing the test may be this would add to the topic.


<b>and if u can add on how people can help in this because the situation is really gettingn serious. can u see what I mean Spider????????</b>