A Statement On The Beheading!

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

I am not a muslim and I have lived in the Middle East for over 20 years. I have the greatest respect for your religion and deplore the loss of values I see in the West. The value you place on the family is not lost on me (I am Irish) as we still have similar views.

Salaam Alaikum!


Welcome, kildarekelly. I always get excited when I see a fellow Irish brother/sister aboard, since I'm lucky Irish, too. I hope to see more of you. Take care and Salaams.


--Ibn

[Abunuran]

Tuesday, June 22nd, 2004


Seymour Hersh: Israeli Agents Operating in Iraq, Iran and Syria


Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh reports that Israel warned the US last year it would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq. Now, hundreds of Israeli agents, including members of Mossad, are conducting covert operations in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq, Iran and Syria.[includes transcript]


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As the June 30th so-called transfer of sovereignty in Iraq approaches, resistance to the US occupation continues unabated. Bombings, assassinations, house raids, mass detentions, kidnappings, torture are daily occurrences in Iraq as US forces and Iraqi resistance clash under occupation.


As far back as July 2003, Israel had warned the US would not be able to bring stability or democracy to Iraq. Israel was one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the Iraq invasion. This according investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in this week's issue of the New Yorker.


Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, reportedly warned Vice-President Dick Cheney that America had lost in Iraq and said the only issue was "choosing the size of your humiliation."


Now, Israel has hundreds of agents, including members of Mossad operating in the Kurdish areas of northern Iraq. In addition Mossad is now conducting covert operations in Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. One former Israeli intelligence officer told Hersh "It's Realpolitik. By aligning with the Kurds Israel gains eyes and ears in Iran, Iraq and Syria."


Seymour Hersh, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist for the New Yorker.


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AMY GOODMAN: The Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh joins us on the phone. Welcome to Democracy Now!


SEYMOUR HERSH: Good morning.


AMY GOODMAN: So, can you tell us in full what you found in yet another one of your ground-breaking pieces today?



SEYMOUR HERSH: Well, it's simply, as you said, Israel did very much support the war and I'm sure some of the people in the audience know there's even internal investigations going on now inside Israel into whether there had been falsification of evidence on weapons of mass destruction and some of the falsification had been give ton the United States before the war. Obviously as an Israeli once told me, it's wonderful to wake up in the morning and see America in the east, you know, in Iraq to the east of Israel. And so for Israel obviously getting the United States into the Middle East was very important. But once we got there, we did it so badly that by last summer, there was a lot of concern. One of the concerns being we were ignoring the fact that Iranian -- Iranians were coming across the border and helping the resistance to organize. No Iranian was taking any offensive action against America. They were simply helping their allies who were against us, to organize as I said. And eventually what happened is they moved into the Kurdistan. The Israelis have had long standing ties to the Talibani and Marzani clans Kurdistan and there are many Kurdish Jews that emigrated to Israel and there are still a lot of connection. But at some time before the end of the year, and I'm not clear exactly when, certainly I would say a good six, eight months ago, Israel began to work with some trained Kurdish command does, obstensively the idea was the Israelis -- some of the Israeli elite commander units, counter-terror or terror units, depending on your point of view, began training -- getting the Kurds up to speed. I think the initial goal was to help the United States fight the insurgency. We were doing very badly. Our special forces were not able to find the opposition, despite all the value our Delta Force and SEALS simply weren't able to accomplish the mission that we thought they could. That is through interrogation and house-to-house searching, find the people that were running the opposition against us, the growing opposition. I think, of course, there was a lot of miss judgment. One of the big ones being that last fall we concluded there was a finite number of 5,000 people or so who were involved in leading the insurgency. Remember those statistics that were given to us by Abizaid and Sanchez, the American army commanders there. It seems clear now that was a huge mistake that was as a widespread disaffection, probably inspired by our actions as much as anything else. In any case, once there, Israel got into terrific trouble with turkey. Turkey is Israel's -- the whole point of Israel's survival mechanism is to final non-Arabs and like them, like Kurds. In fact case of turkey, they establish add very good relationship with a largely Islamic country, a very progressive country. And in terms of being Islamic, not fundamentalist. Israel, I think something like 300,000 Israelis vacation every year in turkey. It is a great place to go. Good shopping, etc. And Israel's jeopardizing that long-standing relationship now. Because the Turks have gone batty about Israeli's support for Kurdistan simply because that also suggests that the Kurds will do, as they're threat tong do, go independent. And also move to seek the oil. Therefore, the Kurdish borders are about 40 miles or so from Kirkuk, the large oil field in Northern Iraq. And all of this is very dangerous. It would spark another great conflict up there if Kurdistan goes independent. The Turks would not tolerate. That is not acceptable. There is huge Turkish minorities inside -- Kurdish minors inside Turkey, inside Syria, inside Iraq, inside Iran and all those countries would feel very shaky. For example, two million Kurds live in Syria. They would feel very shaky by an independent Kurdistan. It is a destabilizing move by Israel. A move that they see in their good interest. As you said, the Israelis are actually helping to -- are involved on the ground, I understand, inside Iran. They're not inside Syria. But Israeli agents are working to collect intelligence on Iran because Israel sees Iran as its great menace. Not only because of its potential nuclear weaponry, Iran, we don't know exactly what Iran is doing with nuclear weapons. But also because Iran, as everybody agrees, if there is a winner in this mess in the former Iraq or whatever we want to call it now, it is going to be Iran. They are going to emerge as the strongest country. They have the -- they have a large population. They're going to emerge as the winner politically of the whole mess.


AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk more about the Iran-Syria-Turkey relationship increasingly close relationships?


SEYMOR HERSH: It's always been dicey. 10 years ago, Turkey and Syria almost came to war because Turkey, as I said, had I think from about '84 on, for 15 years, at least a dozen years, anyway, there was a huge violent Kurdish insurrection inside turkey, more than 30,000 Muslim and Kurds, but Turkish citizens were killed by the group we now call the P.K.K. or called then the P.K. K., a group led by a name of Abdullah Ocalon. And the Turks were just as brutal in stamping it out in the middle '90's. They snuffed it out with horrible brutality and great abuses and the leader of what we now call the P.K.K. Went to -- went to Syrian a was harbored there by the Syrians and Turkey in the late 1990's, literally their generals threatened war with Syria and now Syria released the guerilla leader, the insurrection leader, and the Israelis helped track him down and catch him somewhere in Africa. Not Nigeria, but one other countries in Africa, I think Kenya. And the Israelis actually captured the Turkish or helped capture the Turkish insurrection leader, the Kurdish leader which endeared them a little bit to Turkey. That helped improve Israel's relationship with Turkey. But, boy, by the 1999-2000 turkey and Syria were really staring daggers at each other. There's always been a natural rivalry between Turkey and Iran. They are both the same size. One is a fundamentalist country now, the other one, obviously Iran, theocracy and here is Turkey very much committed to a very progressive form of Islamic rule. Really if there was a role model for the America to follow in the world, in the Middle East, it would be Turkey instead of trying to recreate a democracy that is impossible to obtain in Iraq anyway. So, there's always been tension between Turkey and Iran and Turkey and Syria and now because of the Kurdish threat and because of the disaster in Iraq and, you know, obviously everybody there is telling me if you think - "we ain't seen nothing yet" , wait until July 1. And I quote a German intelligence official, very senior official as saying to me, with almost humor, I guess you could call it, black humor, " You are going to hand over sovereignty, is that what you call it, to the Iraqi new premier, prime minister, etc.? What sovereignty? What are you handing over? There is no miss, there's no army, there's no government, there's no electricity, there's no water, there's no mail, there's no telephone. What exactly are you giving to this government? You know, you don't have it to hand over!" which is probably as good assessment -- you won't read in newspapers that America you're going to get. There you are. We've driven turkey, Syria, and Iran into each other's arms. They're all cooing. We have a looming disaster on our hands in Iraq. We have a new prime minister that I write about that's very dubious, at best. Mr. Allawi. And once again, I guess you could say we do like to live in a bubble, don't we?


AMY GOODMAN: Sey Hersh, what is Israel's role in the covert presence in Iraq?



SEYMORE HERSH: Obviously acquiescence. At the minimum, acquiescence. We certainly didn't lean on them. There is a high level -- i think the chief of staff of the Turkish armed forces, there is a very high level military dell investigation of Turkish military officials in Washington now. They arrived over the weekend I think. They are certainly here now, leading generals, to talk just about this issue. What are we going to do with Israel? I asked add senior C.I.A. Intelligence official about this last week. And his comment, which I think is really pretty accurate, he said really how much control do we have over Israel. They will do what's in their best interest no matter what we say. This is a complicated one. Because Richard Perle, a Neocon, was really a great champion of the Turkish-Israeli relationship and now that move into Kurdistan is destabilizing that. What the Israelis did, which is remarkable stupid, I think, and I understand has caused enormous problems inside the Israeli government on just the issue of how dumb they are is when the Turks began to raise questions about the obviously growing Israeli presence in Kurdistan, and Kurdistan, Iran has got great intelligence and so does turkey. It is not hard to penetrate. Kurds are, you know, they're great bargainers and buyers and sellers. And one can easily buy information there. In any case, turkey learned quite a bit earlier this year and asked the Israelis their great buddies about this. And Israel said officially to them that there is nothing there and the people that are there, Israelis are there as private citizens doing their own work. And I can tell you I was an anchor and I did see -- I can't quote him, but it's clear from my story, very senior people in the government and they are really angry about this. They will not tolerate an independent Kurdistan. They will simply go to war immediately and they won't even tolerate the idea that the Kurds are getting closers and edging -- in their public statements, the Kurds are saying more and more that if things go badly in Iraq, they will consider going independent. So, Israel sort of screwed the pooch with its own ally and then they put themselves in a terrible position with a journalist like me of having to issue these stringent and strong denials, which, between you and me, people in the government acknowledge are just pro forma. They stuck themselves. They said we don't have anything there. What happened is some of the intelligence people and some of the military people, obviously don't go into Kurdistan and run operations in Iran with Israeli passports or anything connected to Israel. So, they wash them. We use the word sheep dip for taking in a military person. In America, when you take in a military officer and redress them as a civilian and send them into a war zone, that's called sheep dipping. Same thing happened with the Israeli Mossad and their military people. They went in undercover.


AMY GOODMAN: Well, Seymour Hersh, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Pulitzer prize-winning reporter. His latest piece appears in this week's edition of the "New Yorker" magazine.


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid...e=thread&tid=25


Sister Abeer, keep up your duties towards Islam, jazaky Allah khiran.



The bombings that kill innocent Iraqs and the beheadings that you see on TV is NOT done by Muslims, It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Don't be ignorants people, instead look around and find out whats going on.



Show your support to the Mujahdeen in Iraq and spread out the word that these beheadings is NOT done by Muslims. It is done by the enemies of Islam.


The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine


Did Mossad infiltrate Islamic outfits in Asia?


How Israel Created The Myth of Al-Qaeda


hundreds of Mossad foreign fighters have been in Iraq for a long time.

[Abunuran]

Media Silent As Doubts Emerge Over Disco Bombing


by Enver Masud


WASHINGTON, DC--Considering that Israel almost went to war over it, why is it that major U.S. media, which has given daily, local and national coverage to the Chandra Levy missing person story, and her relationship to U.S. Congressman Gary Condit, is virtually silent about the apparent inconsistencies in accounts of the June 1 bombing of the disco in Tel Aviv, and the Israeli connection to the alleged bomber?


Consider these reports from the international press:


- "A Palestinian with links to Israeli intelligence unwittingly acted as a driver for the suicide bomber responsible for the devastating explosion that killed 22 people outside a Tel Aviv discotheque." (Uzi Mahnaimi, "Disco Bomber Used Israeli Mole As Driver," Sunday Times, June 24, 2001)


- "The bomber of a Tel Aviv discotheque who killed himself and 20 others had entered Israel from Jordan on an Israeli visa and had no ties with the Palestinian National Authority, an Israeli Arab MP said Wednesday. Mohammed Barakei, a communist member of parliament, told AFP the information came from Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, whom he and fellow Israeli Arab MP Issam Mahlul met Wednesday afternoon in the West Bank town of Ramallah." ("Tel Aviv Bomber Arrived from Jordan with Israeli Visa," AFP, June 06, 2001)


- "The military wing of Hamas, Izzedine al Qassam, claimed responsibility for the attack and identified the bomber as Hassan Hussein Hotari, from the West Bank town of Qalqilya. His family members in Jordan, however, identified him as Saeed Hotary, 22." (Nicole Winfield, "Israel Buries Disco Bomb Victims," Associated Press, June 3, 2001)


- Joe Vialls, a private investigator based in Western Australia, with thirty years direct experience of international military and multinational operations, reports: "Grim-faced Jewish intelligence experts are claiming that the bombing outside Pacha's Disco which killed 18 and wounded 100 was the work of Israeli fanatics rather than Islamic Jihad or a new (media invented) organization described as 'Palestinian Hizbollah'." ("Descendents of Stern Gang Massacre Israeli Children in Media Spectacular," June 2, 2001)


The victims of the disco bombing, according to Israel Shamir, an immigrant Russian journalist based in Jaffa, Israel, were mostly Russian immigrants--the girls often married Palestinians. Mr. Shamir says, "Few of them are Jews by any reasonable criteria, and Israeli radio informed that it would be quite impossible to bury the victims in the hallowed ground of the Jewish cemetery.... If they perish, they are buried beyond the fence, together with suicides."


The Israeli government may not be averse to killing Jews to achieve its goals. Amnon Kapeliouk, wrote in "A Century of Zionism," (Le Monde Diplomatique, November 1997), "Most Iraqi Jews, whose situation was generally satisfactory, were slow to respond to the pressing calls of Israeli Jews to immigrate. At the start of 1951 a bomb exploded in a Baghdad synagogue causing two deaths and dozens of wounded. Following which, 100,000 Iraqi Jews decided to leave for the promised land. The attack, never claimed, has sometimes been attributed to Israeli agents, something that the Israeli government has always formally denied."


Since the beginning of the current Palestinian uprising, Israel has killed 500 Palestinians, injured 23,000, and destroyed 27,000 trees and 3,200 buildings, including 1,200 homes. The Israeli toll is 106 killed and 760 injured. (Charley Reese, "Only Thing To Negotiate Is Timetable for Israel's Withdrawal," Orlando Sentinel, June 21, 2001)


All this supported by a U.S. subsidy to Israel of about $25,000 for every Israeli man, woman, and child according to Richard H. Curtiss, former chief inspector of the U.S. Information Agency.


Now that it's needed, where is the investigative zeal displayed by U.S. media in the Chandra Levy case, the Monica Lewinsky affair, and the trial of football star O. J. Simpson?


Copyright © 2001 The Wisdom Fund - Provided that it is not edited, and author name, organization, and web address (www.twf.org) are included, this article may be printed in newspapers and magazines, and displayed on the Internet.


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[Muslimah]

As salam alykom brothers and sisters


I know I said I prefer to be quite in such cases, however, I just thought of something here. Don’t u see how Allah turns such situations, even if the perpetrator was a Muslim, into a reason to call for Islam. Look how non Muslims come to the board, of course with diversified motives, some of them bring forth Ayah’s of Jihad admitting willingly that Islamic Jihad is well regulated by Allah and does not condone unjust even versus the enemy, how they bring hadeeth, can not u see brothers and sisters, they indirectly acknowledge the Quran and hadeeth Allah Akbar. Sobhan Allah. When they other wise strongly and boldly claim that Quran is not from Allah.


On another side, other group come and directly acknowledge the magnificence of Islam. I just sit and watch how Allah Sobhanhu wa Ta`ala forces those who don’t believe to publicly confess of Islam even without them noticing. Sobhan Allah


One last point I raised before, again and again why the US is still in Iraq? Isnt this an open occupation, don’t they call themselves occupation forces? And why any one would not believe that US army raped Iraqi women Hasbuna Allah wa ne`malwakeel, may Allah fight them back as much as they are fighting our brothers and sisters.


Only when individual incidents happen that non muslims come and say o o is this Islam? Well, why only Muslims have to restrain themselves all the time? Why don’t they see the open and continuous violence, yes wrong does not verify wrong .


<b>But the most important even is that we Muslims get busy with discussing whether or not this is Islamic and how such actions are damaging to Islam, while we totally overlook the most important which is now it is simply the time of Jihad. Cannt u see brothers and sisters, we all sit with our coffee watching the news then come to computers to discuss what we see, again what we see not what we live. We go back to our comfortable sofas and normal life, leaving our brothers and sisters to suffer. What we must discuss now is how Muslim countries are falling seriously short towards a sacred duty. Don’t u all see how our attention is seriously diverted, rather than focusing on how to share such serious moments we assigned ourselves judges to pass verdicts. La hawla wala qowata ila billah Al `alyee al a`azeem. Rather than discussing how to get Muslim wealth geared towards the rescue of the Ummah, we try and beautify the image. Well I think we must focus on totally something different for the time being.
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I just make dua that all Muslim countries wake up, unite and share Iraqis in their jihad, it is supposed to be our battle. La ilaha ila Allah, I am not sure what happened to us, I guess it is the hadeeth of our beloved Prophet that the Ummah is seriously inflicted with wahan which is love of life and hate of death even in Jihad. May Allah find us a way out.

[radiyah]

Alsalam 'alaykom


Thanku sister Abeer for your information about ba'qouba jail, I hope this will convince those who deny that american soldiers are more barbaric than those that are beheading them.


Brother Abu noran masha'Allah, thanku for this clarification, jazak Allah khayr, what u mentioned about the jew, that they might kill their own civilians, Allah Almighty mentioned it in the Quran they will never hesitate to do such things for their own evil needs, in Surrat Al-Baqrah:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem






83. And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allâh (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor), [Tafsir At-Tabarî, Vol. 10, Page 158 (Verse 9:60)] and speak good to people [i.e. enjoin righteousness and forbid evil, and say the truth about Muhammad Peace be upon him ], and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 2, Page 392).


84. And (remember) when We took your covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people, nor turn out your own people from their dwellings. Then, (this) you ratified and (to this) you bear witness.


85. After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allâh is not unaware of what you do.


86. Those are they who have bought the life of this world at the price of the Hereafter. Their torment shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.


These are the words of Allah describing the jews. Alhamdulilah I am a muslim, and I pray to Allah to strengthen our faith and our Ummah to raise and fight under one powerful Islamic nation that fears no1 but HIM.


Wasalam 'alaykom wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh

[abeer]

assalam alaikum wa rahmat allah wa barakatoh


brother abunuran


sister muslimah


sister radiyah


jazakum allah khairan


keep it up ..

[abeer]

continue :


for those who still think that paul marshal has nothing to do with killing muslims in iraq :


1- you must know that US has many military bases in saudi arabia , from which the air strikes and missiles head to fall on our brothers and sisters in iraq killing them .


2- paul marshal lived in saudia and worked as an engineer in one of these bases.


he was an employee of the famous LOKHEED MARTIN co.:WHICH supplies the US ARMY WITH FIGHTING JETS>:


Look at his ID:-








<b> NOTICE THE LOGO ON TOP OF THE DETAILS</b>


AND HERE IS THE LOGO TAKEN FROM THE LOKHEED MARTIN WEBSITE:





http://www.lmtas.com/about/index.html


few lines from the website:


At Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, our products play an important role in the defense of the United States and many other countries, and they help ensure peace and stability around the world. Our long list of dependable and highly regarded aircraft includes the proven and affordable fighter, the F-16; the versatile airlifter, the C-130J; the first operational stealth fighter, the F-117; and the next-generation fighter, the F-22. The company has recently been awarded the contract to build the multiservice, multimission Joint Strike Fighter of the future.


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after this i really can't appreciate any one saying that paul marshal has nothing to do with the killing of iraqies .... he's hands are stained with thier blood until the judgment day.


he serviced the fighting jets that killed them..


and he was ok with it .. because he didn't care about a child ho lost his whole family and both of his legs in a US strike by the jet's that he and his other innocent civillian engineers serviced and sustained.


ironically .... muslims around the world ( including leaders) condemned the beheading of this man who had a vital role in the killing of iraqies which no muslim paid attention to.


READ THIS AYAH, THINK ABOUT :


((Allah has decreed: "Verily! It is I and My Messengers who shall be the victorious. Verily, Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty. <b>You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Rûh from Himself</b>. And We will admit them to Gardens (Paradise) under which rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever). Allah is pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Verily, it is the Party of Allah that will be the successful. [TMQ 58:20-22]

[abeer]

check this out:


if you'd log on to this site


http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/


you'll see this:-





it's LOKHEED MARTIN co section of missiles and rockets - honoring PAUL MARSHAL


how about that, you don't think he had any thing to do with the rockets and missiles fired at iraq


do you ?????





http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_...airdefense.html

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Salaam Alaikum


For all the huffing and puffing that you've done, Abeer, you still don't "get it." And what I mean by "it" is, Paul Johnson's death is not justified by any means, no matter how much "evidence" you think you've sufficiently supplied.


---Ibn

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom


Ibn I think u r not also getting what we are trying to say here, try re reading my post at least.


U decided to judge the death of one person, rather than looking into military forces occupying I would not say Muslim land. Just any land, what do u expect of the native people. That is if the beheading is happening. why all people look at the symptoms, discuss the consequences without giving much concern to the cause of the problem? why dont u as an american, and other american muslims rather than condemning the beheading, simply put pressure on the government to withdraw from Iraq... I would not even mention Palsetine here, it is totally an independant situation.


Ibn re think to yourself, I experienced u to be more logical than this.