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A Statement On The Beheading!
#11



Quote:Our intentions are always taken into account by Allah (SWT) but having good intentions does not make disobedience permissible. It if forbidden to murder a civilian. It is forbidden to kill for any other reason than for Allah's cause. We, as Muslims can say that, can we not? We cannot judge the other person but surely we can judge the action as impermissible?

WAS BERG A CIVILIAN ??? no he was a jew, cia spy UNDERcovered .


WAS PAUL JOHNSON A CIVILIAN ?? no he was an ((apache)) engineer !!!!


i'm sad and sorry to say : YOU MY BROTHER are brainwashed !!


ALLAH URGED US TO DEFEND OUR SELVES .


THEY KILL US WE KILL THEM >>> SIMPLE AS THAT.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH , AND HE WHO BEGAN IS THE UNJUST ........ ALLAH SAID SO IN IS HOLY QURA'AN.


كتب على الذين آمنوا القتال بأنهم ظلموا


العين بالعين والسن بالسن والبادئ أظلم


and i hope you'd understand by now AMERICANS WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ UNLESS WE FORCE THEM TO !!!

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#12

Salaam Alaikum!


Ok, lets say--for the sake of the argument--that Paul Johnson deserved to be brought to justice for what he did. Does that entice him to be beheaded? Who authorizes such a practice, and where can he (she?) back up his (her) claim? Instead of trying to build a case against Paul Johnson, you need to devise a rhetorical response to the terrorists who continue to gang rape our religion ever more. Those swine need to be brought to justice, not Paul Johnson.


–Ibn

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#13



Quote:WAS BERG A CIVILIAN ??? no he was a jew, cia spy UNDERcovered .

Asalaamu alaikum,


I'm not into conspiracy theories and even if what you say is true, why then did the killers not just *say so*. As far as I am aware, the reason that was given for his beheading was for revenge against the torture of Iraqi prisoners.




Quote:WAS PAUL JOHNSON A CIVILIAN ?? no he was an ((apache)) engineer !!!!

Who did he kill? Which people were killed as a direct (or even indirect) result of his work? Shouldn't the families of those people be allowed to decide for themselves the fate of this man? Who decided that he needed to be killed?




Quote:i'm sad and sorry to say : YOU MY BROTHER are brainwashed !!

There is no need to resort to this sort of namecalling and insulting. If you have evidence to suggest that Nick Berg was CIA or that Paul Johnson killed people AND that according to Shariah they must be beheaded, then please bring it forth. Otherwise, keep these comments to yourself.




Quote:ALLAH URGED US TO DEFEND OUR SELVES .
THEY KILL US WE KILL THEM >>> SIMPLE AS THAT.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH , AND HE WHO BEGAN IS THE UNJUST ........ ALLAH SAID SO IN IS HOLY QURA'AN

Allah ordered us to defend but NOT to trangress limits. There are rules for war. There are rules for looking after prisoners of war. Just because someone is unjust does not make actions of injustice permissible for Muslims. Just because American soldiers have killed innocent Muslim men, women and children does not mean we go out and find any American person nearby and cut his head off.


I apologise for my harsh words. I feel that you are probably quite young. It worries me that you would so wholeheartedly defend and even revere these acts of terrorism.


May Allah grant jannat-ul-firdous to all those who have fought in His cause.


-spider

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#14

Quote:
Allah ordered us to defend but NOT to trangress limits. There are rules for war. There are rules for looking after prisoners of war. Just because someone is unjust does not make actions of injustice permissible for Muslims. Just because American soldiers have killed innocent Muslim men, women and children does not mean we go out and find any American person nearby and cut his head off.



Salaam Alaikum!


Exactly! Ends do not justify the means.

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#15
I am not a muslim and I have lived in the Middle East for over 20 years. I have the greatest respect for your religion and deplore the loss of values I see in the West. The value you place on the family is not lost on me (I am Irish) as we still have similar views. I cannot under any circumstance whatsoever condone acts of barbarity which we have seen recently - is this Islam? they claim it is! why do you think the West is hardening in its attitude - where is the rampant denial that this has anything to do with pure Islam? You claim double standards of the west - and I will not deny that - but what of your double standards?????? Do you really wish to engulf the world in a clash of civilitations? To prove what?
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#16
I'm sorry but I have just seen the so called staements about rape etc. Does anyone think, really, that the US army rapes - really!!! or is this just a loudmouth trying to stir up emotions for un -islamic reasons. We understand the value you place on women and their place in the family - might not agree but that is another matter. Ignore those who would seek to stir emotions for the purposes of war and rely on your intrinsic value of Islam - it is not wrong.
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#17

Quote: <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="spider" data-cite="spider" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1658" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>
Allah ordered us to defend but NOT to trangress limits. There are rules for war. There are rules for looking after prisoners of war. Just because someone is unjust does not make actions of injustice permissible for Muslims. Just because American soldiers have killed innocent Muslim men, women and children does not mean we go out and find any American person nearby and cut his head off.



Salaam Alaikum!


Exactly! Ends do not justify the means.

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When insurgency occurs who are the innocent and who are the victems?


No one can tell - there are, however, rules of engagement which bind the


US military - do these rules operate within the so called insurgents who care nothing for human life?????? You cannot play double standards - on the one hand


the US rapes and pillages and on the other hand we have beheadings!!!!!! what has anything of this got to do with Allah (peace be upon him) and Islam - shame on you all for not speaking out. Loudly and clearly - or is the there a reason for the silance in the Islamic world!!!!!!!!!

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#18



Quote:<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1658" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Our intentions are always taken into account by Allah (SWT) but having good intentions does not make disobedience permissible. It if forbidden to murder a civilian. It is forbidden to kill for any other reason than for Allah's cause. We, as Muslims can say that, can we not? We cannot judge the other person but surely we can judge the action as impermissible?

WAS BERG A CIVILIAN ??? no he was a jew, cia spy UNDERcovered .


WAS PAUL JOHNSON A CIVILIAN ?? no he was an ((apache)) engineer !!!!


i'm sad and sorry to say : YOU MY BROTHER are brainwashed !!


ALLAH URGED US TO DEFEND OUR SELVES .


THEY KILL US WE KILL THEM >>> SIMPLE AS THAT.


AN EYE FOR AN EYE A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH , AND HE WHO BEGAN IS THE UNJUST ........ ALLAH SAID SO IN IS HOLY QURA'AN.


كتب على الذين آمنوا القتال بأنهم ظلموا


العين بالعين والسن بالسن والبادئ أظلم


and i hope you'd understand by now AMERICANS WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ UNLESS WE FORCE THEM TO !!!

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Dear Abeer, please control your feelings a bit and lower the shouting tone. I know u r mad at what is happening we all are, but is this going to change no, it is not, and what these people are doing is wrong it is not permissable in Islam to make groups within governements and go killing people as they please, they are even killing muslims ya abeer the Iraqi deen and her husband and the two girls also were muslims, and they were killed by these terrorists. In Islam pow's should be treated well, at the time of the prophet many embraced Islam becasue of the humane treatement they got. so when u prison a soldier then he is a pow, and should be treated well. If the Americans and Israelis are doing what they are doing, we do not do as they are doing. So what is the solution, instead of wasting lives and killing innocent people, not only the americans abeer they are killing muslims also all over Iraq. So as I said we educate ourselves we build a new generation that will raise again as it was on the days of prophet and Khulafa' alrashedeen. So we do not wish to fight here, whatever these groups are doing we leave it to Allah the Almighty.




Quote:I'm sorry but I have just seen the so called staements about rape etc. Does anyone think, really, that the US army rapes - really!!! or is this just a loudmouth trying to stir up emotions for un -islamic reasons. We understand the value you place on women and their place in the family - might not agree but that is another matter. Ignore those who would seek to stir emotions for the purposes of war and rely on your intrinsic value of Islam - it is not wrong.

First welcome to our board, u r most welcome here and thanku for your defense on Islam, I hope u enjoy your stay.


second, i kindly request u not to use the loudmouth word, and i am not trying to stir emotions, it is true, it was sent to my friends neighbor by email and she saw the whole thing and she could not sleep all night. And excuse me are all american soldiers angels. In every army or every community there is the good and the bad, so consider the ones who did this the bad sector.


And Allah knows best

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#19

practically ignored in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal are the Iraqi female prisoners who have told their attorneys they were raped by U.S. soldiers. <b>The Taguba report confirms that some women were indeed raped by American G.I.'s</b>. There is one photo of an American soldier having sex with an Iraqi woman. And there is the by now infamous story of how American soldiers harnessed a 70-year-old woman and rode her around, calling her a donkey.


One hint of the rape aspect of the torture scandal came last December, when a note smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a female prisoner claimed that American guards were raping the female detainees. There are few women in the prison; the note said some of the women were now pregnant. According to a report last week in The Guardian (U.K.), the note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame. Amal Kadham Swadi, one of seven Iraqi female attorneys who are attempting to represent detained women, visited a detainee at a U.S. military base in Baghdad last November and later told The Guardian, "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped. Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off, and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.' "


<b>Although the Taguba report makes specific reference to the abuse of female Iraqi prisoners, the Bush administration has refused to release photos of Iraqi women forced at gunpoint to bare their breasts</b>—no doubt to spare Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld further embarrassment.

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#20

Berg the american civilian : a contractor in iraq


PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:-


WASHINGTON (AP) - <b>An unusual racketeering lawsuit filed by human rights lawyers accuses U.S. civilian contractors at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq of conspiring to execute, rape and torture prisoners to boost corporate profits from military payments.</b>


Some of the new abuse allegations were among the cruelest described so far within the Iraqi prisons.


One person, identified in court documents only as a prisoner named Rasheed, told lawyers his tongue was shocked with electricity and his toenails pulled out. Another person, identified only as a prisoner named Ahmed, said he was forced to watch while his 63-year-old father, Ibrahiem, was tortured to death.


A plaintiff identified only as a prisoner named Neisef told lawyers he was raped by a female interrogator who left him naked on the floor, saying ``It is our job to take your manhood away.''


Shereef Akeel, a Detroit lawyer, said the people he helps represent in the case were ``subjected to unspeakable crimes.''


The lawsuit seeks ``substantial'' payments for the alleged victims and a ban on future government contracts for Titan Corp. of San Diego and CACI International Inc. of Arlington, Va., whose employees worked as government interrogators and translators.


The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in San Diego, where Titan, the larger of the two defendants, is headquartered. It alleges violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, the 1970 law that often is used by government prosecutors to go after organized crime.


Part of the allegation is that Titan and CACI would benefit if interrogations were successful and proved their worth, resulting in more government contracts.


Titan spokesman Wil Williams called the lawsuit ``frivolous'' and noted that the government has not formally accused any of its employees of abuse.


``Titan never had control over prisoners or how they were treated,'' Williams said.


CACI said the company ``summarily rejects and denies the ill-informed, slanderous and malicious allegations of the lawsuit that attempts to malign the work that we do on behalf of the U.S. government around the world and in Iraq.''


The lawsuit also names as defendants Adel L. Nakhla, a former Titan employee, and two CACI employees, Steven A. Stefanowicz and John B. Israel. All three were implicated in abuses in Iraqi prisons in the Army's investigative report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba.


Michael Ratner, president of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, cited a litany of international rules against torture and abuse and said, ``Unfortunately, in this case, our administration and a number of contractors are outside the law.''


The lawyers acknowledged difficulties tracing eyewitness reports of abuse, because some U.S. soldiers in Iraqi prisons didn't always wear uniforms and some civilian contractors wore military clothing. In some cases, interrogators wore plain T-shirts or slacks with no identifying markings and called each other by nicknames.


Contractors ``were very careful in masking their identity,'' said Susan Burke, a Philadelphia lawyer working on the lawsuit.


Taguba's report for the Army said Stefanowicz ``clearly knew his instructions equated to physical abuse'' and recommended that Stefanowicz's security clearance be revoked. Taguba accused Israel of lying when Israel said he never witnessed abusive interrogations. Taguba said Nakhla admitted watching military police officers throw water on prisoners, taunt them about homosexuality and stack prisoners' naked bodies.


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On the Net:


Lawsuit:


http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/legal/september-1...-Rawi-v-Titan-C omplaint

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