israil

[Hazams]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1548" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But according to this thread, and many others, that Israeli soldier is supposed to just start firing on the young man, smear him in pigs blood, and dance on hsi grave....since he IS muslim after all!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm and isnt this really happening in palestine, I guess all those others pics and videos that we c on tv and various medias, are just plain mirage. When we find such pictures nowadays it means that this is the begining of the end of Israel state, by will of Allah.

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The will of Allah won't end the violence there. And the state of Israel will last a long time. So, do us all a favor and kiss and make-up

[radiyah]

The will of Allah won't end the violence there. And the state of Israel will last a long time. So, do us all a favor and kiss and make-up

Oh really do u read the future or what? How do u know it will last for a long time.? If u


beleive in Allah u would not say that his will not end anything, u should understand


that u live by his will u eat by his will and u become rich by his will, and u become sick by his will and u die by his will. We will not make up, as long as they are occupying palestine, so why dont u do us a favour and stop giving us advices that will not solve any problems. And I hope that u will stop taking sides. You also wont change our beleifs and we are not forcing it on u. And as


Allah said in his holy Quran :


Bismillah Alrahman Al-Raheem:


119. Verily, We have sent you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) with the truth (Islâm), a bringer of glad tidings (for those who believe in what you brought, that they will enter Paradise) and a warner (for those who disbelieve in what you brought, they will enter the Hell-fire). And you will not be asked about the dwellers of the blazing Fire.



120. Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper.


121. Those (who embraced Islâm from Banî Israel) to whom We gave the Book [the Taurât (Torah)] [or those (Muhammad's Peace be upon him companions) to whom We have given the Book (the Qur'ân)] recite it (i.e. obey its orders and follow its teachings) as it should be recited (i.e. followed), they are the ones that believe therein. And whoso disbelieves in it (the Qur'ân), those are they who are the losers. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî. Vol. 2, Page 95).


122. O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you and that I preferred you to the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of your time-period, in the past).


123. And fear the Day (of Judgement) when no person shall avail another, nor shall compensation be accepted from him, nor shall intercession be of use to him, nor shall they be helped. Surat Al-Baqara


ALLAH Only ALLMIGHTY ALLKNOWING who knows the future and no one else NO


ONE.

[Hazams]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1548" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> The will of Allah won't end the violence there. And the state of Israel will last a long time. So, do us all a favor and kiss and make-up

Oh really do u read the future or what? How do u know it will last for a long time.? If u


beleive in Allah u would not say that his will not end anything, u should understand


that u live by his will u eat by his will and u become rich by his will, and u become sick by his will and u die by his will. We will not make up, as long as they are occupying palestine, so why dont u do us a favour and stop giving us advices that will not solve any problems. And I hope that u will stop taking sides. You also wont change our beleifs and we are not forcing it on u. And as


Allah said in his holy Quran :


Bismillah Alrahman Al-Raheem:


119. Verily, We have sent you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) with the truth (Islâm), a bringer of glad tidings (for those who believe in what you brought, that they will enter Paradise) and a warner (for those who disbelieve in what you brought, they will enter the Hell-fire). And you will not be asked about the dwellers of the blazing Fire.



120. Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'ân), then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper.


121. Those (who embraced Islâm from Banî Israel) to whom We gave the Book [the Taurât (Torah)] [or those (Muhammad's Peace be upon him companions) to whom We have given the Book (the Qur'ân)] recite it (i.e. obey its orders and follow its teachings) as it should be recited (i.e. followed), they are the ones that believe therein. And whoso disbelieves in it (the Qur'ân), those are they who are the losers. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî. Vol. 2, Page 95).


122. O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you and that I preferred you to the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of your time-period, in the past).


123. And fear the Day (of Judgement) when no person shall avail another, nor shall compensation be accepted from him, nor shall intercession be of use to him, nor shall they be helped. Surat Al-Baqara


ALLAH Only ALLMIGHTY ALLKNOWING who knows the future and no one else NO


ONE.

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Yes, I do see the future. May I ask how you intend to remove over six million Jews from Israel? And quit quoting ridiculous scripture that can be spun more ways than ten. The Jews have been there for over 50 years now, so please, stop this ludicrous "by the will of Allah" crap you keep quoting and put forth a logical solution to the problem.

[spider]

I will read, but are you saying that part of being a muslim, a true muslim, is hating Israel??

Hello Phatmonky,


I don't think that hating <b>Israel</b> is the key to being a true Muslim. We are supposed to hate the atrocities committed by the government or by the people of the country. I am not sure of your stance on the Israeli/Palestinian situation but I hope you see that there are atrocities being committed on BOTH sides.


I do not visit this forum very often, but it seems that in the many other forums I visit, there is a lot of blaming of the "enemy" and excuses for the actions of the other side. Unfortunately if this is what is actually going on between the key people who are in the position to make peace, then I fear there is little hope for peace at all.


-spider

[Dan]

Yes, I do see the future. May I ask how you intend to remove over six million Jews from Israel? And quit quoting ridiculous scripture that can be spun more ways than ten. The Jews have been there for over 50 years now, so please, stop this ludicrous "by the will of Allah" **** you keep quoting and put forth a logical solution to the problem.

Bismillah


I will remind you that you are on an ISLAMIC forum and you WILL respect our beliefs, scripture, and Allah. If you post something like this again, I will ban you from this board.


I am keeping this public so others who have been teetering on this borderline will also be warned. You can have your opinion, just know that our's is based on our religion so be careful of what you say. I don't slander your beliefs so give the same respect to others.


Thank you.

[radiyah]

Yes, I do see the future. May I ask how you intend to remove over six million Jews from Israel? And quit quoting ridiculous scripture that can be spun more ways than ten. The Jews have been there for over 50 years now, so please, stop this ludicrous "by the will of Allah" crap you keep quoting and put forth a logical solution to the problem.

LOOK HAZAM, since u came on this board and u r offensive, and I was keeping quiet because your offensiveness was on me, I dont care for that nor from u or any other member, BUT , when u call the The Holy Quran ridiculous , & the will of Allah a ludicrous crap, I will not tolerate this , nor any muslim member, I warn u as well, I hope u show some respect to our relegion since u have none, and inspite of that if u remember your first threads I told u that i respect your opinion, so I hope this will be the last time u say anything offensive or, we will be more than glad to ban u as brother Dan stated.


Now I will answer your question, how we intend to remove six million jews from israel? well u c they are not intended to be removed from there, they are intended to die all there inside palestine, that is why Allah is giving them the power to gather all of them there, and if u read more from the opposing jews against the state of israel, they will affirm this reality. And by the way what kind of a historian are u, I doubt that honestly . The only history I c from u is what suits your whims.


Now again I repeat my warning, I hope u will behave on this board, and I advise u to go and read the rules and regulations again. And I will quote from the Quran what I please, I am a muslim and I will never stop doing that, and u are not to order me around to not quoting from the Holy Book, u are not pleased around on the board u are more than welcome to leave.


I pray to Allah Almighty, the ONE and ONLY GOD, creator of heaven and hell, creator of skies and earth, The Lord of the Alamin(mankind, jinn and all that exists),


to give u the long life to 100 years or even more, even if u cannot move a limb, just a brain and eyes to wittness and to c that what i said is true. This is not from my knowledge and I do not claim to forsee the future like u claim, but because it is mentioned in the Quran, the word of Allah the All Knowing The All Seeing, wether u like it or not:


Bismillah Al-Rahman AL- Raheem


4. And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant!



5. So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled.


6. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in man power.


7. (And We said): "If you do good, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves." Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.


8. [And We said in the Taurât (Torah)]: "It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers. Sura 17, Al-Esra'


Full translation of the ayas from tafseer IBN Katheer :


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28545


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28569


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28573


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28582


for those who wish to read and learn more, and those who do not wish to know, are


to keep quiet and to leave if not pleased.


And Allah knows best.

[Ibn_Kumuna35]

Salaam Alaikum!


Honestly, one can do no worse than than Hazam's last statement. It’s not about essential hate for "those Jews" or Israel--but what to do with the myriad of Palestinians who reside in refugee camps away from their original homeland. Certainly a Palestinian state can be placed side-by-side with Israel, can't it? So what if the Jew’s have been there for over 50 years—the point is repetitive and paltry to say very least; it’s be stated and employed for about the nth time now. What is of considerable worth is to create a state for the refugee Palestinians and the Jewish settlers.


I am not against Israel, but I am against an exclusive Israel which sees only a Jewish existence in a land that is just as valuable to Arabs as it is to Jews. Belligerence should be expected with an exclusively Jewish state just as much as it would be in the opposite direction.


--Ibn

[radiyah]

How are they to die ?

I dont know John, I dont claim to forsee the future, there will be a war for sure between muslims and jews, how and when I dont know, only Allah knows, did u read the link I provided for that, the ayas are clear, and there is the translation for them as well.


Peace

[radiyah]

You mean the koran doesn't say ? I would have thought something this significant would have merit a mention.

John, I told u I dont know, I did not mention anything about the Quran, I am not a scholar, I don't know the answer for everything, what I know I will provide what i don't know i cant provide(did I make myself clear now , but I think I provided the ayas concerning this matter with the tafsir . I wonder if u ever read anything I provide. . If u did not understand what is written, I will ask a scholar for u. again I will provide the links


Full translation of the ayas from tafseer IBN Katheer :


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28545


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28569


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28573


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=17&tid=28582


I hope it will answer your question.


Peace

[lifutushi]

would it be better if everybody just chill?