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You do understand that there is a theory that constitutes how planets are formed within nebulas right? All stars form from clouds of gas and dust which roam our galaxy. Eventually, gravity causes the cloud to collapse; since the cloud is spinning, material falls in along the "poles" faster than it does near the "equator". This flattening results in a disk-like object. Material slowly wends its way into the center of this disk, forming a new star. While the star continues to grow, lumps form in the disk which will ultimately become planets.
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I also recommend you read this book by Cosmos by Carl Sagan in which he shows how there could be many planets within the Universe that are much like ours.
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Salaam Alaikum!
Fascinating! ![[Image: wink.gif]](http://www.islamsms.com/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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Quote:You do understand that there is a theory that constitutes how planets are formed within nebulas right? All stars form from clouds of gas and dust which roam our galaxy. Eventually, gravity causes the cloud to collapse; since the cloud is spinning, material falls in along the \"poles\" faster than it does near the \"equator\". This flattening results in a disk-like object. Material slowly wends its way into the center of this disk, forming a new star. While the star continues to grow, lumps form in the disk which will ultimately become planets.
This is by God's will. Not by anybody's... No matter how many theories explain the birth of stars and such, land is still the miracle that does not exist anywhere else.... no evidence is existing.... all fiction and books to sel most by fascinating ideas that lure the reader to read more of same book and such... dont go into cycles of deception, Hazam!!.. etc... take care of yourself, ha?
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Quote:How do you know Allah created all of this? Perhaps a higher being, maybe? Beyond us anyway. And this is also what I see. War, hunger, repent, murder, slavery, prostitution, greed, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, disease, neglect, torture, and death. This may not be as good of a planet as you think my friend.
My brothers and sisters replied to u, I am only here to tell u u can not address a Muslim woman calling her friend.
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Quote:Salaam Alaikum!Fascinating! ;)
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Quote:This is by God's will. Not by anybody's... No matter how many theories explain the birth of stars and such, land is still the miracle that does not exist anywhere else.... no evidence is existing.... all fiction and books to sel most by fascinating ideas that lure the reader to read more of same book and such... dont go into cycles of deception, Hazam!!.. etc... take care of yourself, ha?
as salam alykom
Brother, re read Hazam's post, he didnt say no power, he is aware that there is a super power that Created all this, he is just reluctant to say Allah, he says how can we be certain Allah Did all this, may be a higher being. Just re read the post.
Hazam's only problem is not to admit Allah Created all this, he wants to find another power, U know why my brother, because believing this will certainly lead him to the true way with restrictions. He prefers to be illusively free.
Brother just look at this Ayah:"And they belied them (those Ayât) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced thereof " (Quran 27:14)
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Quote:as salam alykom Brother, re read Hazam's post, he didnt say no power, he is aware that there is a super power that Created all this, he is just reluctant to say Allah, he says how can we be certain Allah Did all this, may be a higher being. Just re read the post.
Hazam's only problem is not to admit Allah Created all this, he wants to find another power, U know why my brother, because believing this will certainly lead him to the true way with restrictions. He prefers to be illusively free.
Brother just look at this Ayah:\"And they belied them (those Ayât) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their ownselves were convinced thereof \" (Quran 27:14)
I think you misread what I said.
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I said that there 'might' be a higher being involved in this. Who knows. However, I want to mention something that has been on my mind for a while now regarding my position on religion. I really wish I was a religious man. But as hard as I have tried in the past, I cannot commit to its grasp. Now, let me explain why. When I think logically about faith, I am dumbfounded about how many fallacies exist within it.
I believe that reality is based upon all that exists. Religion, in all forms, assumes that the Supreme being X (God, Allah, etc) exists outside this reality. These two statements contradict each other. If reality is all that exists, then by definition, if God exists, God is part of that reality. This, furthermore, contradicts the statement that God exists outside of what we call 'reality.' However, the same claims can be made towards an atheist and his claims that God does not exist. Think about it.
If you guys have read any western philosophy, then you will have known of a very famous man named St. Anselm who tried to prove the existence of God by use of what he called the "Ontological Argument." This is one of the oldest arguments in theology. It is also one of the most difficult to understand because it relies purely upon logical considerations and not at all upon empirical evidence. Here is a clip of one of his arguments that he proposed on God's existence.
"Assuredly that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, cannot exist in the understanding alone. For, suppose it exists in the understanding alone: then it can be conceived to exist in reality; which is greater. Therefore, if that, than which nothing greater can be conceived, exists in the understanding alone, the very being, than which nothing greater can be conceived, is one, than which a greater can be conceived. But obviously this is impossible. Hence there is no doubt that there exists a being, than which nothing greater can be conceived, and it exists both in the understanding and in reality."
The argument that in order for a being to qualify as "Greatest" it must have the quality of "existence." If this "Greatest" being were simply an idea in people's minds, then it would not have its own existence and, hence, wouldn't really qualify as "Greatest" anymore. Basically, this argument is utter nonsense. Just think about it. The argument he put forth follows a fine line. This fine line allows us to believe that every 'perfect' thing that we can think of must exist in reality. As you guys know from existence within itself, that this is a logical fallacy (i.e. I can make an argument for the perfect vacation resort, the perfect island, the perfect meal, etc...).
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Hazam I respect much your frankness and wish to be religious, I also understand your point of if Allah Created all this, who created Allah.
But let me tell u something, there is not contradiction between Allah's existence and reality, Because Sobhan Allah His exsitence is a reality.
Can u see that? U know u have a soul which is the source of life, but u can not see it, it is still a reality, because the minute it is taken away u r dead?? right? as I asked u on another thread, wind is very powerful, u can not see it, but it exists and thus it is reality.
Being a reality does not in any from affect Allha's Greatness, matter of fact we have to believe that Allah Is a reality, but the most perfect one.
U know what, even the issue you r struggling with has a remedy in Islam.
See as u said on another thread, time does not apply to Allah, He is eternal, but still this does not abuse His Supreme being.
U have a deep wish to be religious simply because it is mankind instict to submit to something. U need something to submit to, u need a super power to resort to when u need. It is just natural.
Hazam, who created the ant, this very little tiny creature with full organs of digest, procreation, respiratroy, no not only this, but they have a language. Who created it, u think haphazardoly?? let us walk thru this step by step, no problem, Insh a Allah Allah will help us all.
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