What did you think of Israel assassinating Rantisi?

[Sham]

<i>Originally posted by phatmonky </i><b>1>It's not debateable at all. It's wrong. It was wrong then, it's wrong now. You admit it was wrong then. You follow it with a post about double standards. Surely you then realize how wrong it is now. Are the teachings of Mandela lost??</b>

2>Well I can explain to you about it. Israel is a recognized state. It exists, and therefore, just as any other country it has the right to exist. As does Palestine!  

I am sorry for jumping to the conclusion that you too wished for the end of Israel, as many on this board have expressed.  

I understand the arguments on what should be done, what borders should be set, etc. However, anyone who is says \"Israel has no right to be\" is incredibly biased, and refuses to look at what a country even is!

3>You see though, I am not blaming you for it. I am saying that your goals cannot happen so long as your populous cannot control who is in government. Corruption is one thing. Corruption with NO accoutability is another.  

Now, what I find amazing is that you claim we are TRYING to associate muslims with terrorist. We have spent MILLIONS educating people that those in the middle east, and elsewhere are just like us and trying to understand the culture. We teach this in schools. We are told \"Al quada is just a small group of extremist and not all muslims are like this\". I see a public service announcemenet on this subject every week reminding me to be tolerant.  

If you want a common link, the common link is Islam used as a reason for killing civilians.  

Kenya

Perle.

Bali.

9/11

Spain.

Chechnya

Iraq

And now Nick Berg.

All of them people claiming these horrendous acts in the name of Islam.  And that is only since the 9/11 attacks!

When our soldiers broke our laws in our name, we stopped it. We are punishing them, we apologised, we put new means in place to avoid this in the future.  What has the Muslim world done to condemn all of these attacks? When Pakistan and Saudi Arabia arrest terrorist, the governments are labeled to be traitors for helping us.  

This is how things are seen on the outside. Dont' assume my questions are accusatoins please. You say I can't paint everyone with a single brush- I wouldn't be on this board if I was looking to do that.

4>Religion is ingrained in Muslims country politics. Hence, the reason they are considered \"muslim countries\". Sharia law, full fledged theocracies, clerics choosing what their people will and won't do. It's all twisted together. And while I agree that it shouldn't be the case, it is! It's undeniable!

5> Again, so amazing.

1. I do'nt think you read this part properly. I did not say that I did not know if it was right or wrong. I left it open for the reader to determine if it was right or wrong. It was most certainlt wrong then and it still is. But once again we are in the minority so there is nothing that we can do at present. All we want is to live in peace.

2. As far as I know there muslims in Israel as well. I at no point said that they do not have a right to be. All I am saying is Live and let Live. If the country has taken land from the Palestinians then give it back or accomodate them fairly, in all aspects.

3. I did not say that a united muslim people is my goal. I meant that as humanes we all want to live in peace regardless of colour creed race or religion.

As for corruption it is in every country even in America. It is my opinion that the Americans go to other countries trying to act the "good samaritan" when in actuall fact they are the instigators. And this is what is hidden from the people.

4. Common Link - Islam

Whose fault is this that people are using Islam as the reason for Killing. Would you not say it is either people who ignorant of what Islam is all about that are doing this. Or it is people who are trying to annihilate Islam that are using certain Islamic beliefs to do their work for them.

As for punishing your soldiers. They would have gotten away if they were not reported. As for their punishment haha.

5. Islam is a way of life it is not politics. If certain countries want to adopt the Islamic way of life what is wrong with that. If the majority of the people in that country want to entrench certain Islamic aspects in their law. Then who are you and I to stop that. In Islam we teach people to abide by the laws of the country first. You can still practice your Islam as an individual right without disturbing the country or its peace.

6. I will reiterate that who so ever is using Islam for their own personal and selfish gains are wrong immaterial of who ever they might be, be it America Israel or the muslim countries themselves.

7. Allah knows everything and he surely will let harm befall on all people who are doing wrong regardless of religion creed or race.

[Shereen]

<i>This is a barbaric act & this will surely get more Muslims angry ! assasinating someone in 21st century means that the 'power' can do ANYTHING........then after wat Israel has done they shouldn't moan about the bombings in their 'stolen' country too </i>

Imagine assasinating one of Israel's leaders? YES ofcourse then ALL the Muslims will become terrorists & then ALL the Palestine will come under WAR on Terrorism !

Notice the difference :eek:

[phatmonky]

<i>Originally posted by Shereen </i><b><i></i></b>

Imagine assasinating one of Israel's leaders? YES ofcourse then ALL the Muslims will become terrorists & then ALL the Palestine will come under WAR on Terrorism !

Hardly!

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Hardly!

Well lets just say anyone who speaks out against the isrealis is a marked man :throwup: as Ariel Sharon "nicely" put it.

[Sham]

Whilst I was growing up I was under the premonition that America was the most wonderful country, no apartheid and a fair and just country and I really was pro-america. But since I started reading between the lines I discovered how I miss judged america. I am glad that I was able to pull the wool from my eyes and see the truth of the american government. I just hope that many other individuals can do the same. This does not mean go and kill americans but to see things for what they really are. Also not fall into their plots.

[Shereen]

Whilst I was growing up I was under the premonition that America was the most wonderful country, no apartheid and a fair and just country and I really was pro-america. But since I started reading between the lines I discovered how I miss judged america. I am glad that I was able to pull the wool from my eyes and see the truth of the american government. I just hope that many other individuals can do the same. This does not mean go and kill americans but to see things for what they really are. Also not fall into their plots.

<i>thanks 4 opening up ........appreciate it </i>